See this is why I want to emperically study moral reasoning.
This shit runs the world and nobody questions it properly?
Fuck that shit. I'm going to learn how we do it so we can know if we are being retarded or not. I refuse to accept morals as some untouchable concept they're a thought like any other.
I remember reading someone who said that the moral lens we view the world through is basically Panglossian. It's the lens which best equips us to deal with the challenges we have been conditioned to in prior experiences, as opposed to an ideal that we choose to take up
so like, morals as a deterministic product on the micro scale
I forget which philosopher, though
I am, in fact, profoundly uninterested in what philosophers have to say about morality.
I'm interested in what the general population believes.
Although I appreciate the discourse I just don't find philosophers thoughts on morality to be a useful starting point.
Morninglord on
(PSN: Morninglord) (Steam: Morninglord) (WiiU: Morninglord22) I like to record and toss up a lot of random gaming videos here.
Define evil. Morals are what we believe them to be.
Great. The slippery slope. Use however many shades of gray you want to describe the world, you will find that the kind of debauchery you promote only spreads the notion that people cannot and should not trust each other based on the detached nature of physical and emotional intimacy. If we are all left to interpret and decide what constitutes good and bad, or any ethos, then we will cause a fragmented world that is marred by dread and discontent. To be so brazenly unsympathetic is to accept the idea that following some guidelines is outside of your capacity.
Evil is what it is. I can't throw you a definition from a book, well - I could, very easily, but it won't qualify as anything that reaches you. If you wholly believe that the entire spectrum of humanism is based entirely on viewpoint and circumstance then no amount of preaching will make this reply worthwhile. But really ... Morals are not not not NOT NOT NOT
NOT
what we believe them to be.
So you declare me as evil because I don't care that a girl cheats on her boyfriend, even if its not something I'm outwardly searching for.
See this is why I want to emperically study moral reasoning.
This shit runs the world and nobody questions it properly?
Fuck that shit. I'm going to learn how we do it so we can know if we are being retarded or not. I refuse to accept morals as some untouchable concept they're a thought like any other.
I remember reading someone who said that the moral lens we view the world through is basically Panglossian. It's the lens which best equips us to deal with the challenges we have been conditioned to in prior experiences, as opposed to an ideal that we choose to take up
so like, morals as a deterministic product on the micro scale
I forget which philosopher, though
I am, in fact, profoundly uninterested in what philosophers have to say about morality.
I'm interested in what the general population believes.
OK
I believe that my morals are those which leave me best equipped to progress functionally through life
Oboro on
words
0
Options
MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited November 2008
See now we are talking.
Morninglord on
(PSN: Morninglord) (Steam: Morninglord) (WiiU: Morninglord22) I like to record and toss up a lot of random gaming videos here.
Define evil. Morals are what we believe them to be.
Morales stem from universal ideals and concepts. They are not whatever we believe them to be.
I prefer to trust myself to know the difference between right and wrong, vs. what others think should be. Might I remind you a majority of people in some areas seem to think being gay is morally objectionable. Should I listen to them based purely on the fact it was voted so?
Laws are not inherently moral.
Ahh but what's the difference, when you consider morals are nothing more then things we agree on.
Well for one laws can be arbitrary.
Morals on the other hand tend to always reflect personal safety, integrity, and freedom on the most basic levels. As in a moral complication arises when one person intends to deprive another of (not to be trite) life, liberty, or property. There is also a universal understanding that all individuals wish to obtain happiness on some level and to inhibit a person from achieving such a state without just cause is wrong.
Laws on the other hand can reflect the needs and environment of a society. For example a law that requires a person to put coins in a parking meter most likely reflects the need for upkeep and a need to preserve space/create accessibility. Not really moral at all but resultant of environmental and social factors.
I believe morals evolved through natural selection (on a communal scale not individual) the same way everything else did. They benefit society and are selected for accordingly.
Define evil. Morals are what we believe them to be.
Great. The slippery slope. Use however many shades of gray you want to describe the world, you will find that the kind of debauchery you promote only spreads the notion that people cannot and should not trust each other based on the detached nature of physical and emotional intimacy. If we are all left to interpret and decide what constitutes good and bad, or any ethos, then we will cause a fragmented world that is marred by dread and discontent. To be so brazenly unsympathetic is to accept the idea that following some guidelines is outside of your capacity.
Evil is what it is. I can't throw you a definition from a book, well - I could, very easily, but it won't qualify as anything that reaches you. If you wholly believe that the entire spectrum of humanism is based entirely on viewpoint and circumstance then no amount of preaching will make this reply worthwhile. But really ... Morals are not not not NOT NOT NOT
NOT
what we believe them to be.
So you declare me as evil because I don't care that a girl cheats on her boyfriend, even if its not something I'm outwardly searching for.
When did I call you evil? But yes, if you know a girl has a boyfriend then you shouldn't actively help them cheat. I don't care what you think about the girl and I don't care if you think that absolves you of any wrongdoing. It's a dick move. Dick.
Define evil. Morals are what we believe them to be.
Great. The slippery slope. Use however many shades of gray you want to describe the world, you will find that the kind of debauchery you promote only spreads the notion that people cannot and should not trust each other based on the detached nature of physical and emotional intimacy. If we are all left to interpret and decide what constitutes good and bad, or any ethos, then we will cause a fragmented world that is marred by dread and discontent. To be so brazenly unsympathetic is to accept the idea that following some guidelines is outside of your capacity.
Evil is what it is. I can't throw you a definition from a book, well - I could, very easily, but it won't qualify as anything that reaches you. If you wholly believe that the entire spectrum of humanism is based entirely on viewpoint and circumstance then no amount of preaching will make this reply worthwhile. But really ... Morals are not not not NOT NOT NOT
NOT
what we believe them to be.
Can I translate what you just said?
"Great. A slippery slope.
Watch me make up my own slippery slope argument full of speculation and no facts or evidence and slide around on it hey it's so slippery oh yeah mmmmm oh it's like skiing.
Btw I wont define what I believe in any testable way but I will now repeat my rejection of what you say seven times because that makes it more right."
Oh yeah oh yeah lets troll it up and be childish and oversimplify everything and pretend that our quasi-witty response is oh yeah oh yeah you're responding to a troll oh yeah.
I'm just going to translate what you were trying to do to my post again:
"I'm all cool with my ability to slight you and take a philosophical discussion and slice it down to a pointless quip about rationality and I can kind of maybe interpret your reasoning in the way I saw it because its important you know what I think of you especially because I think negative things about you I am hilarious I swear"
And so you don't have to respond, I will translate what I thought you thought I thought:
"Blah blah teedly tum, spip fibbity dee teedly tum dick teedly tum penis spippen fip fip clever"
Again, Now I will translate you translating what I thought you would think of what I thought you thought:
I will ban you all if you continue a moral relativism debate in the chat thread. If you want to discuss it, start up a moral relativism thread and then kill yourselves.
Define evil. Morals are what we believe them to be.
Great. The slippery slope. Use however many shades of gray you want to describe the world, you will find that the kind of debauchery you promote only spreads the notion that people cannot and should not trust each other based on the detached nature of physical and emotional intimacy. If we are all left to interpret and decide what constitutes good and bad, or any ethos, then we will cause a fragmented world that is marred by dread and discontent. To be so brazenly unsympathetic is to accept the idea that following some guidelines is outside of your capacity.
Evil is what it is. I can't throw you a definition from a book, well - I could, very easily, but it won't qualify as anything that reaches you. If you wholly believe that the entire spectrum of humanism is based entirely on viewpoint and circumstance then no amount of preaching will make this reply worthwhile. But really ... Morals are not not not NOT NOT NOT
NOT
what we believe them to be.
So you declare me as evil because I don't care that a girl cheats on her boyfriend, even if its not something I'm outwardly searching for.
No I declared your action as evil because you are willing to recognize and understand the pain that cheating can cause a person yet you are willing to condone and engage in the activity will full knowledge of the outcome.
See this is why I want to emperically study moral reasoning.
This shit runs the world and nobody questions it properly?
Fuck that shit. I'm going to learn how we do it so we can know if we are being retarded or not. I refuse to accept morals as some untouchable concept they're a thought like any other.
I remember reading someone who said that the moral lens we view the world through is basically Panglossian. It's the lens which best equips us to deal with the challenges we have been conditioned to in prior experiences, as opposed to an ideal that we choose to take up
so like, morals as a deterministic product on the micro scale
I forget which philosopher, though
I am, in fact, profoundly uninterested in what philosophers have to say about morality.
I'm interested in what the general population believes.
Although I appreciate the discourse I just don't find philosophers thoughts on morality to be a useful starting point.
That's incredibly myopic. I can't even think of a rationalization for such a faulty thought process.
See this is why I want to emperically study moral reasoning.
This shit runs the world and nobody questions it properly?
Fuck that shit. I'm going to learn how we do it so we can know if we are being retarded or not. I refuse to accept morals as some untouchable concept they're a thought like any other.
I remember reading someone who said that the moral lens we view the world through is basically Panglossian. It's the lens which best equips us to deal with the challenges we have been conditioned to in prior experiences, as opposed to an ideal that we choose to take up
so like, morals as a deterministic product on the micro scale
I forget which philosopher, though
I am, in fact, profoundly uninterested in what philosophers have to say about morality.
I'm interested in what the general population believes.
Although I appreciate the discourse I just don't find philosophers thoughts on morality to be a useful starting point.
Philosophers more try to dictate morality than observe and comment on it. So yeah, they don't answer your questions.
ViolentChemistry on
0
Options
MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited November 2008
Than has spoken so I shall not.
Morninglord on
(PSN: Morninglord) (Steam: Morninglord) (WiiU: Morninglord22) I like to record and toss up a lot of random gaming videos here.
God I hate moral relativism so bad, but it’s damn hard to mount a good attack against it unless you want to use god dictated morality. Seriously though, fuck it and its proponents, they’re all a bunch of cunts.
Edit: We all know you haven't got the balls Than, I bet Tube is begging for an excuse to lay into you.
It's so much easier to just use "malicious" and "benevolent" instead of "evil" and "good."
Incenjucar on
0
Options
AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
It's oh so nice of the bank to call me yesterday and tell me that there's been a security breach on my debit card/account and so they're locking it down. Oh, and I should come into my nearest bank branch to get this resolved.
On a weekend.
When all banks are closed.
Thanks BMO, I don't need money for the weekend, nope.
God I hate moral relativism so bad, but it’s damn hard to mount a good attack against it unless you want to use god dictated morality. Seriously though, fuck it and its proponents, they’re all a bunch of cunts.
God I hate moral relativism so bad, but it’s damn hard to mount a good attack against it unless you want to use god dictated morality. Seriously though, fuck it and its proponents, they’re all a bunch of cunts.
I'm not really big on the whole "ownership" aspect of relationships so I guess cheating doesn't really phase me. To me it's just a visible sign of "okay, this relationship is over".
Now, hiding the fact you cheated on someone? That's messed up.
I've always said to japan that he ever even thought about cheating, just to break up with me first. I don't think I could manage to go through that whole "fantastic, I've just founs out that my bf has been sleeping around" thing again.
Basically. I hope my girlfriend finds someone better than me, as it would be proof of a benevolent creator that a person that inexhaustibly magnificent existed. But I mean, I'd really like her to inform me first.
Hell, I assume if he was really awesome, I'd not even have trouble hanging out. I mean, we obviously share good taste in women.
What an annoying boss. Exploits weakness, then uses Megidola.
I think I remember that one. What sucks is that Megido/la is never all that impressive for your own people. Though I think it was Lucifer/someone that has that ridiculous screen-clearing non-elemental attack, which is awesome.
It amuses me endlessly every time I hear a naturalist believing in morals as something carved into the very nature of the universe.
In a thousand years, people will look back at our generation and say that we were evil, someone will chime up that we were doing what we thoght was good, we just screwed up, and someone will call them a cunt.
Posts
The boss was a summoner.
I am, in fact, profoundly uninterested in what philosophers have to say about morality.
I'm interested in what the general population believes.
Although I appreciate the discourse I just don't find philosophers thoughts on morality to be a useful starting point.
So you declare me as evil because I don't care that a girl cheats on her boyfriend, even if its not something I'm outwardly searching for.
I believe that my morals are those which leave me best equipped to progress functionally through life
Well for one laws can be arbitrary.
Morals on the other hand tend to always reflect personal safety, integrity, and freedom on the most basic levels. As in a moral complication arises when one person intends to deprive another of (not to be trite) life, liberty, or property. There is also a universal understanding that all individuals wish to obtain happiness on some level and to inhibit a person from achieving such a state without just cause is wrong.
Laws on the other hand can reflect the needs and environment of a society. For example a law that requires a person to put coins in a parking meter most likely reflects the need for upkeep and a need to preserve space/create accessibility. Not really moral at all but resultant of environmental and social factors.
When did I call you evil? But yes, if you know a girl has a boyfriend then you shouldn't actively help them cheat. I don't care what you think about the girl and I don't care if you think that absolves you of any wrongdoing. It's a dick move. Dick.
Oh yeah oh yeah lets troll it up and be childish and oversimplify everything and pretend that our quasi-witty response is oh yeah oh yeah you're responding to a troll oh yeah.
I'm just going to translate what you were trying to do to my post again:
"I'm all cool with my ability to slight you and take a philosophical discussion and slice it down to a pointless quip about rationality and I can kind of maybe interpret your reasoning in the way I saw it because its important you know what I think of you especially because I think negative things about you I am hilarious I swear"
And so you don't have to respond, I will translate what I thought you thought I thought:
"Blah blah teedly tum, spip fibbity dee teedly tum dick teedly tum penis spippen fip fip clever"
Again, Now I will translate you translating what I thought you would think of what I thought you thought:
"ZJOIJEOIZJF;IJFIZ;JF;ZEISJFIA"
YEAH, YOU'RE HILARIOUS.
No I declared your action as evil because you are willing to recognize and understand the pain that cheating can cause a person yet you are willing to condone and engage in the activity will full knowledge of the outcome.
That's incredibly myopic. I can't even think of a rationalization for such a faulty thought process.
So little fresh words.
Ununhexium.
Philosophers more try to dictate morality than observe and comment on it. So yeah, they don't answer your questions.
Edit: We all know you haven't got the balls Than, I bet Tube is begging for an excuse to lay into you.
On a weekend.
When all banks are closed.
Thanks BMO, I don't need money for the weekend, nope.
Currently DMing: None
Characters
[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
@Than since when are we not allowed to spend a few pages debating something not worthy of a full topic in the chat thread.
The debate was good at first but i just got sick of it very very quickly.
I blame the baseball-frankfurter complex.
Seriously.
I use ketchup in that, FYI.
We generally aren't allowed to go on a diatribe about religion in [chat] either.
Currently DMing: None
Characters
[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
Basically. I hope my girlfriend finds someone better than me, as it would be proof of a benevolent creator that a person that inexhaustibly magnificent existed. But I mean, I'd really like her to inform me first.
Hell, I assume if he was really awesome, I'd not even have trouble hanging out. I mean, we obviously share good taste in women.
I can see that if I do go into this field it's not something I'll be able to bring up here. :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descriptive_ethics
This is way worse than any drug problems you may have, Oboro.
Ketchup?
In a thousand years, people will look back at our generation and say that we were evil, someone will chime up that we were doing what we thoght was good, we just screwed up, and someone will call them a cunt.
I can't say anything without diving back into the deep end.
So count me out. Closing comment.
Don't be a dick, it's not cool.
Anyone remember that quote from Team America: World Police, about bitches assholes and dicks?
Now there's a conceit we can all get behind.
The important scene in that movie is the 15 minute long puppet sex one.