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Terminator: Cancellation of Show Chronicles [nsf56k i guess]
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He didn't believe the tumor bit. The stellar trajectory...yeah, fair point, but to be equally fair he had no way of knowing that she was doing the same thing in that scene. "Hey, you can fly if you build wings out of cardboard" is more believable than seeing someone jump off a roof holding the refrigerator box. Admittedly, this might make no sense.
If I look at the sky while I'm explaining that someone else could look at it and figure out what day it was, am I capable of doing so myself?
On the strength, again, I guess I can overcome disbelief in that if I met a woman who could perform better physically than I expected and she explained that she 'worked out' I would accept that before thinking "THIS THING IS OBVIOUSLY A ROBOT FROM THE FUTURE"
Was he Dale on Jericho?
It may take decades to improve designs as a human, but a super powerful sentient computer can probably fire off upgraded designs faster.
Then again, maybe its due to Stormtrooper Syndrome on the part of the Terminators.
I always thought it was a matter of materials and energy.
As in Skynet was running out? Hmm... maybe they should've recycled better.
But I don't see how the situation ever arose to create the initial time jump is what I'm saying. That first terminator sent back to kill Sarah, that was what set everything in motion (Kyle Reese goes back, fathers John, resistence forms, Skynet losing) but why was there that need in the first place? What happened that Skynet blinked first and decided that only screwing around with the past could ensure victory? This is on the assumption that Skynet acted the way it did because it saw itself as losing the war and needed something drastic to tip the scales. Maybe they weren't losing, maybe it was just a brutal stalemate and there was no near hope of victory for either side (although, once again, given how advanced Skynet is, I fail to see how that happened).
And I'm not real hung up on the question. It doesn't really matter to me as anything more than something interesting to wonder about.
In short, Skynet's intentions are always at least several degrees removed. You have the information that terminators have been programmed with, you have information that humans believe they know. Skynet itself has never told anyone directly, that I am aware of.
Trust me watching Doctor Who helps me deal with this shit :lol:
And the female robot that had her eye gouged definitely wasn't a T-888. Different frame, and rigged CPU (Really, the smart thing would be to make a CPU that explodes and kills anyone nearby when you try to remove it, but whatever.). She was probably a newer model made of cheaper materials. Remember that botched mission for the Colton? Skynet in the future has a shortage.
Oh, and as for Riley, wasn't she there with John from his first day of school? I have a hard time that she was planted there by Jesse. Especially considering the fact that Jesse came from an altered timeline.
And skynet could be limiting its own iterative ability to avoid making the mistake of its maker.
And the minor issue of a tall thin female model seeming stronger then a shorter, stockier male one pales beside the t 1000 which is actually something from outer fucking space compared to the others.
Riley was planned from day one., read the blogs.
As for everything else in this post, yay for talking about it pages ago and stupid Spoiler rules resulting in nearly everyone skipping it.
Well according to Kyle Reese in T1, Skynet WAS losing the war. Sending back the Terminator was an act of desperation.
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Terminator.html
Skynet lives on distributed computing networks, those things aren't exactly easy to keep from being severed by someone intent on such a goal.
No, Skynet was on the verge of winning before Connor showed up.
Sorry, I just rewatched the first 2 movies and after finding the scripts online I like to nerd out. Though the scripts don't seem to match up with the copies of the movies I have o_O For example apparently in T1 Reese was supposed to have a colleague who dies in transit--materializes into a fence or railing or something D: and in T2 there's supposed to be a scene where Sarah opens up its head and switches the Terminator's processor to" write" mode from "read-only" mode, enabling it to learn/understand emotions. She actually attempts to destroy the chip at first before John stops her. This hints that Skynet is apparently scared of its terminators learning too much or becoming too human; and also foreshadows all the monkeying around with chips they do in this show.
T2 script: http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Terminator-2-Judgement-Day.html
This scene is actually included in the version of T2 I have, I think its an extended directors cut or something. Theres also some extra dream sequences with Kyle Reese that Sarah has while in the mental institution.
also.. how many terminators did skynet have at the beginning?
Even if it had millions and wiped out half of earth's population, that's still 3 billion humans to face
and more likely, it had a much smaller number
Plus, knocking down that assembly advantage wouldn't be too hard anyway - people put themselves together from other people. Terminators don't self-replicate their own chips, legs, sensors, actuators and weapons - so losing a factory would be a disaster for Skynet (and thus require major investments of defense in predictable places).
Because plasma rifles don't have eyes?
Solution? Mass produce your standard T-888's for the everyday extermination of humanity and if you have a special mission build a special model with top of the range componants you can't afford to put in every single normal model.
Also I'm glad some of the posters here have noted the complete craziness of the T-1000's capabilities (and as an aside, I read in an interview that Shirley Mason is a T-1001 on the show, although the differences between the models have not been explained). I mean the T-X is a fairly logical jump from the T-800 series; stronger, faster, improved offense. The T-1000 might as well have be from 1000 years in the future for all the sense it makes from a relative complexity standpoint.
Yeah, I think this conversation died out a while ago. Didn't make much sense.
"Advanced prototype."
I always got the feeling that the T1000 was one of a kind, where as the TX was the newest and best "production" model.
Then again I also always get the feeling that I'd prefer to pretend that T3 never happened. So what do I know.
Exactly.
EDIT: ANd cameron wins because its necessary for the plot, having her looking fucked up every episode doesn't draw in the people who want to see her flex and bend.
And the series ends if she lets the family die so she has to win.
What? No.
Just had a thought, how would skynet even begin to replicate and conquer? As seen in the the third film, when it attacked, it had a powerful software AI, lots of rolling tank robots, and a couple flying drones. It was really good at kicking ass, but it had to hands to build anything. Could it have even turned a doorknob?
I think Skynet resorted to using forced labor, IIRC. I remember some talk about work camps in TSCC.
Whether it would add anything or take something away from the story I don't know, but I do like the idea of this whole thing being a result of two Skynet's messing with each other trying to make sure their future is the one that happens.
Well, originally, SkyNET was conceived as controlling a whole host of automated military systems- from factories, to aircraft, to missiles, etc. It then herded survivors into work camps to build what it still needed after that.
Unfortunately that doesn't really make any sense, hehe. Either both branches of the future happen simultaneously (along with every branch from any decisions ever made) or only one ever happens and the alternate future ceases to exist when the different choice is made (so there couldn't be 2 Skynets to fight in the first place).
Time travel R&D is an interesting idea if you could send information back in time (which I guess Skynet could probably do). Using time travel like that trivializes pretty much everything, though. You could win every battle, for example, simply by seeing what would have worked after the battle's over and then going back and doing that thing.
http://www.terminatorchronicles.com/sarah-connor-chronicles-t-1000-poster-possible-spoiler/ is a nice collection of Catherine posters that suggest the difference between a T-1000 and a T-1001 is the gender cues of the default shape (if you recall, when he wasn't a puddle of goo or Robert Patrick, the original was a tall, square shouldered faceless silver man.) There's also one image of her face that'll jump out at you as an oddity to the plotline.
There's also an older promo image at http://www.terminatorchronicles.com/sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-save-the-world-poster/ that spelled out Cromartie's fate pretty clearly.
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It's also a tautology. This is true for every show everywhere ever. "If the badguys kill everyone there's no more story" orly? Thanks, John Madden.
Just because Cameron must survive for the show to continue doesn't mean her survival is inconsistent with the show's internal logic. Frankly, we don't know what Cameron's model # is, and it doesn't really matter. What we know is she regularly stomps on other terminators, so she's probably a better model (or maybe better trained). The show has given you no reason to believe Cameron SHOULDN'T be able to beat up other terminators, so why are you making a problem where none exists? What's wrong with: Cameron is badass, the end?
She was pretty prominent in the episode when she got sick and hallucinated and then the one with the Japanese dudes trying to scam her out of a lot of money. The latest one was all Cameron but I think she was due.
Edit: And Cameron hasn't really been stronger than any of the T-888's has she? When she fights them, she gets thrown around a lot too. It's not DBZ where she's taking punches full to the face and doesn't even flinch. It's just that she's a lot smarter AND she's got a lot more experience in terms of killing other terminators. She goes for the chip almost every time.
Guess I mostly forgot about that episode. I think it has to do with the fact that all the interesting development is involving characters other than her. Though I suppose that might be intended...
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