Also, where is the media in all this? Is it because Blago is a Democrat and gets a free pass?
Did you just link to a news story on Blago to chide the press about not talking enough about Blago?
Not just the media but general public outrage as well. I know it's cold in Chicago this time of year but I hadn't seen much on protests against this slime.
Wow, to think Mos Eisley was bad...
Protest what? Madigan is going to the Supreme Court to get him ousted ASAP, and the legislature voted unanimously to start impeachment when they convened on Monday. Am I supposed to go put him under citizen's arrest while he's out on bail?
Can you? That'd be great.
Did you see that? I answered your sarcasm with my sarcasm.
Also, where is the media in all this? Is it because Blago is a Democrat and gets a free pass?
Did you just link to a news story on Blago to chide the press about not talking enough about Blago?
Not just the media but general public outrage as well. I know it's cold in Chicago this time of year but I hadn't seen much on protests against this slime.
Wow, to think Mos Eisley was bad...
Protest what? Madigan is going to the Supreme Court to get him ousted ASAP, and the legislature voted unanimously to start impeachment when they convened on Monday. Am I supposed to go put him under citizen's arrest while he's out on bail?
Can you? That'd be great.
Did you see that? I answered your sarcasm with my sarcasm.
Very clever.
Now tell me what I'm supposed to be protesting. Because I'm rather happy with the unanimous vote to begin impeachment. Quite happy indeed.
So the Lt Gov is going to appoint the successor because they are afraid that the people might elect a Republican? What the fuck, Illinois, did somebody actually say this out loud? Does nobody realize how bad this looks?
So the Lt Gov is going to appoint the successor because they are afraid that the people might elect a Republican? What the fuck, Illinois, did somebody actually say this out loud? Does nobody realize how bad this looks?
I don't understand the rush for a special election anyways.
The governor gets to pick a replacement. If the governor is stripped of his duties (as this asshat should be) the lt. gov takes over. So, logically, the lt. gov should get to pick the person for the chair. Where's the problem here? Why go through the time, and more importantly, the money for a special election?
So the Lt Gov is going to appoint the successor because they are afraid that the people might elect a Republican? What the fuck, Illinois, did somebody actually say this out loud? Does nobody realize how bad this looks?
Well, it is sort of an odd case because they don't have special elections laws yet, and I'm not sure about Illinois but I think in some places it is somewhat expected that you replace a midterm empty seat with someone of the same party. If there wasn't any scandal around this appointment then it would have surely gone to a democrat, so at that baseline it doesn't look quite so bad as it would in a vacuum.
What is there to protest? He's not getting away with anything.
Blago is still in office.
So what do you want, us to drag him out into the street so we can stone the fucker? He hasn't even been indicted yet, much less convicted. There's a little thing called the rule of law, and while it might not be moving quite as fast as you want it to it does seem to be moving quite in the right direction in this case. And it is moving far faster than it has been for a ton of other cases of political scandal.
For somewhat analogous cases, are you mad that Karl Rove hasn't been locked up in the Capitol basement yet? Or that Sarah Palin stonewalled endlessly on Troopergate?
What is there to protest? He's not getting away with anything.
Blago is still in office.
Due process is a bitch sometimes.
So is resigning...
And who has any say over this but Blagojevich?
Yeah, the guy who just got caught selling a senate seat is going to step down out of a sense of duty to his constituents.
They've got ramrod impeachment papers drawn up already. He's boned. I think the people of Illinois are pretty much outraged-out at this point and just ready to get it over with.
Bassically he just doesn't care anymore. his offenses were so cartoonishly corrupt he's not going to be able to do anything else once he's booted.
Compare that to someone like Spitzer who destroyed his public image but resigned gracefully who could still have a future somewhere other than government.
Bassically he just doesn't care anymore. his offenses were so cartoonishly corrupt he's not going to be able to do anything else once he's booted.
Compare that to someone like Spitzer who destroyed his public image but resigned gracefully who could still have a future somewhere other than government.
Yeah, this and the Spitzer situation are vastly different, for a lot of reasons. Spitzer had every reason to leave quickly and on as high a note as he could muster. Blagojevich really only has one thing standing between him and a lot of fines and jail time, and it's something the legislature is slated to take away in a week or so. He's going to milk it for bargaining position as long as he's got it.
Seeing how the state supreme court threw out the attempts to get him to step down, without any comment or explanation, this could drag on for awhile
I honestly don't get that decision. I mean the guy is red-handed, on tape. Even if its a leave of absence until the 'investigation' is complete, the guy shouldn't be around.
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Seeing how the state supreme court threw out the attempts to get him to step down, without any comment or explanation, this could drag on for awhile
I honestly don't get that decision. I mean the guy is red-handed, on tape. Even if its a leave of absence until the 'investigation' is complete, the guy shouldn't be around.
What? No, they just threw out a complaint that Blagojevich should be stripped of powers essentially because he's being investigated. Basically, they didn't want to create a precedent that could override impeachment proceedings.
Seeing how the state supreme court threw out the attempts to get him to step down, without any comment or explanation, this could drag on for awhile
I honestly don't get that decision. I mean the guy is red-handed, on tape. Even if its a leave of absence until the 'investigation' is complete, the guy shouldn't be around.
What? No, they just threw out a complaint that Blagojevich should be stripped of powers essentially because he's being investigated. Basically, they didn't want to create a precedent that could override impeachment proceedings.
Yep. They didn't want to let him off without the proper proceedings. I don't blame them, though there are certainly those who would rather see him gone now than wait another week for the impeachment.
Perhaps I misread the article earlier today then. My understanding was that the state Attorney General petitioned the Supreme Court to have him at least step aside until this is all concluded based on the amount of evidence against him and the frenzy of attention its caused; the rational being that the guy isn't doing his job right now, he's just being a media magnet. Which, honestly, seems pretty accurate.
I'm not saying they should have summarily stripped him of his position permanently, but if for instance a cop is involved in the shooting death of a suspect they are put on leave until the investigation is concluded. Applying a similar process to a governor, particularly one against whom the evidence is mounting and blatant, doesn't seem like a bad thing.
Perhaps I misread the article earlier today then. My understanding was that the state Attorney General petitioned the Supreme Court to have him at least step aside until this is all concluded based on the amount of evidence against him and the frenzy of attention its caused; the rational being that the guy isn't doing his job right now, he's just being a media magnet. Which, honestly, seems pretty accurate.
I'm not saying they should have summarily stripped him of his position permanently, but if for instance a cop is involved in the shooting death of a suspect they are put on leave until the investigation is concluded. Applying a similar process to a governor, particularly one against whom the evidence is mounting and blatant, doesn't seem like a bad thing.
It would have been ruling him unfit to serve. Which is fine if the governor falls into a coma or something and you need an acting governor, but not when he is still fully in his capacities. The legislature is impeaching him. That may take longer than the drive Lisa Madigan made over the weekend, but it is the right way to do it. SCOTSOIL(?) recognized this, and I'm actually a bit perturbed that she felt that the AG should draft that sort of petition. Yeah, it sucks, but due process is important.
Perhaps I misread the article earlier today then. My understanding was that the state Attorney General petitioned the Supreme Court to have him at least step aside until this is all concluded based on the amount of evidence against him and the frenzy of attention its caused; the rational being that the guy isn't doing his job right now, he's just being a media magnet. Which, honestly, seems pretty accurate.
I'm not saying they should have summarily stripped him of his position permanently, but if for instance a cop is involved in the shooting death of a suspect they are put on leave until the investigation is concluded. Applying a similar process to a governor, particularly one against whom the evidence is mounting and blatant, doesn't seem like a bad thing.
As soon as he's out of office, even on an interim basis, Blagojevich is going to be remanded to custody. Once that happens, all impeachment proceedings will be moot. Skipping that process sets a precedent that allows for future "non-impeachments" in less decisively over circumstances.
Seeing how the state supreme court threw out the attempts to get him to step down, without any comment or explanation, this could drag on for awhile
I honestly don't get that decision. I mean the guy is red-handed, on tape. Even if its a leave of absence until the 'investigation' is complete, the guy shouldn't be around.
What? No, they just threw out a complaint that Blagojevich should be stripped of powers essentially because he's being investigated. Basically, they didn't want to create a precedent that could override impeachment proceedings.
From what I understand the article they tried to use is primarily intended to remove an incapacitated or otherwise unable governor. it was a long shot to start with.
I have to admit, this guy sounds like a 1920's caricature more than an actual human being.
I don't think he should go to prison. I think he needs to go to a mental ward and be observed closely, so that we can learn more about the telltale symptoms of his unique mental illness.
I have to admit, this guy sounds like a 1920's caricature more than an actual human being.
I don't think he should go to prison. I think he needs to go to a mental ward and be observed closely, so that we can learn more about the telltale symptoms of his unique mental illness.
Actually, the thing he sounds the most like is a modern day Balkan politician.
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At this point, I'm somewhat convinced that Blago will, at some point, use the appointment. Either in a sale or as a weapon.
*If he gets off, he'll sell it or take it himself.
*If it becomes obvious to him that he's going down, he will appoint his biggest enemy (Madigan) on the theory that she won't be able to keep it.
*If he just can't be sure in the middle of the trial, he might use it on the leader of the opposition (probably Fitzgerald) and try and get that person taken out, on the theory that the appointee now has a conflict of interest and can't be trusted to lead the prosecution.
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I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
My question is what dumbfuck would accept that seat now
Right. The problem with Gosling's scenario is that if Blago tries to appoint someone else the appointee could just decline the appointment. It might hurt them if they were actually seeking it (declining it from Blago but accepting it elsewhere may raise an eyebrow or two) but otherwise is a nonissue.
Now, the other scenario - Blago appoints himself - is an interesting option, and one he could use if his trial starts to go south. Would the trial continue, since he would no longer be governor? It would be a short-lived reprieve, though, since I cannot see any way that the US Senate would accept the appointment (i.e., they immediately vote to throw him out, like what they were planning to do with Ted Stevens).
My question is what dumbfuck would accept that seat now
Right. The problem with Gosling's scenario is that if Blago tries to appoint someone else the appointee could just decline the appointment. It might hurt them if they were actually seeking it (declining it from Blago but accepting it elsewhere may raise an eyebrow or two) but otherwise is a nonissue.
Now, the other scenario - Blago appoints himself - is an interesting option, and one he could use if his trial starts to go south. Would the trial continue, since he would no longer be governor? It would be a short-lived reprieve, though, since I cannot see any way that the US Senate would accept the appointment (i.e., they immediately vote to throw him out, like what they were planning to do with Ted Stevens).
It's a criminal trial. The impeachment would be halted, but that's the least of his worries.
My question is what dumbfuck would accept that seat now
Right. The problem with Gosling's scenario is that if Blago tries to appoint someone else the appointee could just decline the appointment. It might hurt them if they were actually seeking it (declining it from Blago but accepting it elsewhere may raise an eyebrow or two) but otherwise is a nonissue.
Now, the other scenario - Blago appoints himself - is an interesting option, and one he could use if his trial starts to go south. Would the trial continue, since he would no longer be governor? It would be a short-lived reprieve, though, since I cannot see any way that the US Senate would accept the appointment (i.e., they immediately vote to throw him out, like what they were planning to do with Ted Stevens).
It's a criminal trial. The impeachment would be halted, but that's the least of his worries.
I was actually referring to the impeachment proceedings, not the federal ones. But I didn't word it clearly, so my fault .
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Can you? That'd be great.
Did you see that? I answered your sarcasm with my sarcasm.
Very clever.
Now tell me what I'm supposed to be protesting. Because I'm rather happy with the unanimous vote to begin impeachment. Quite happy indeed.
Blago is still in office.
The governor gets to pick a replacement. If the governor is stripped of his duties (as this asshat should be) the lt. gov takes over. So, logically, the lt. gov should get to pick the person for the chair. Where's the problem here? Why go through the time, and more importantly, the money for a special election?
Well, it is sort of an odd case because they don't have special elections laws yet, and I'm not sure about Illinois but I think in some places it is somewhat expected that you replace a midterm empty seat with someone of the same party. If there wasn't any scandal around this appointment then it would have surely gone to a democrat, so at that baseline it doesn't look quite so bad as it would in a vacuum.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Right, if only someone would go and shoot politicians the moment they were charged with something.
Where's my rolleyes
So what do you want, us to drag him out into the street so we can stone the fucker? He hasn't even been indicted yet, much less convicted. There's a little thing called the rule of law, and while it might not be moving quite as fast as you want it to it does seem to be moving quite in the right direction in this case. And it is moving far faster than it has been for a ton of other cases of political scandal.
For somewhat analogous cases, are you mad that Karl Rove hasn't been locked up in the Capitol basement yet? Or that Sarah Palin stonewalled endlessly on Troopergate?
So is resigning...
morally he's a fuckwit for not having the decency to step down
Thank you!
The fact that the former case is quickly being remedied has something to do with the lack of mass rebellion in Chicagoland.
That and the fact the current POTUS has done more corrupt things. Most people achieved outrage exhaustion years ago.
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Yeah, the guy who just got caught selling a senate seat is going to step down out of a sense of duty to his constituents.
They've got ramrod impeachment papers drawn up already. He's boned. I think the people of Illinois are pretty much outraged-out at this point and just ready to get it over with.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I can't resign the office of Governor for someone else. My forgery skills are -5 and I suck at saving throws.
Compare that to someone like Spitzer who destroyed his public image but resigned gracefully who could still have a future somewhere other than government.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I honestly don't get that decision. I mean the guy is red-handed, on tape. Even if its a leave of absence until the 'investigation' is complete, the guy shouldn't be around.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I'm not saying they should have summarily stripped him of his position permanently, but if for instance a cop is involved in the shooting death of a suspect they are put on leave until the investigation is concluded. Applying a similar process to a governor, particularly one against whom the evidence is mounting and blatant, doesn't seem like a bad thing.
It would have been ruling him unfit to serve. Which is fine if the governor falls into a coma or something and you need an acting governor, but not when he is still fully in his capacities. The legislature is impeaching him. That may take longer than the drive Lisa Madigan made over the weekend, but it is the right way to do it. SCOTSOIL(?) recognized this, and I'm actually a bit perturbed that she felt that the AG should draft that sort of petition. Yeah, it sucks, but due process is important.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
It's okay. In situations like this, I try to think of the "cutting down all the laws in England" scene in A Man For All Seasons.
Wonder how long until he gets impeached anyway?
He's claiming the wiretaps are "taken out of context".
I can't think of any context that would include them that would be even halfway good.
From what I understand the article they tried to use is primarily intended to remove an incapacitated or otherwise unable governor. it was a long shot to start with.
They already did on Monday, unanimously. Now it's just a matter for the proceedings to move forward. Hopefully by the new year.
I don't think he should go to prison. I think he needs to go to a mental ward and be observed closely, so that we can learn more about the telltale symptoms of his unique mental illness.
Actually, the thing he sounds the most like is a modern day Balkan politician.
And he is. Just in America.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
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*If he gets off, he'll sell it or take it himself.
*If it becomes obvious to him that he's going down, he will appoint his biggest enemy (Madigan) on the theory that she won't be able to keep it.
*If he just can't be sure in the middle of the trial, he might use it on the leader of the opposition (probably Fitzgerald) and try and get that person taken out, on the theory that the appointee now has a conflict of interest and can't be trusted to lead the prosecution.
No one, and if he pretends that you don't need their approval in order to get appointed they'll immediately resign the office anyway.
Right. The problem with Gosling's scenario is that if Blago tries to appoint someone else the appointee could just decline the appointment. It might hurt them if they were actually seeking it (declining it from Blago but accepting it elsewhere may raise an eyebrow or two) but otherwise is a nonissue.
Now, the other scenario - Blago appoints himself - is an interesting option, and one he could use if his trial starts to go south. Would the trial continue, since he would no longer be governor? It would be a short-lived reprieve, though, since I cannot see any way that the US Senate would accept the appointment (i.e., they immediately vote to throw him out, like what they were planning to do with Ted Stevens).
It's a criminal trial. The impeachment would be halted, but that's the least of his worries.
I was actually referring to the impeachment proceedings, not the federal ones. But I didn't word it clearly, so my fault .