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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Malkor wrote: »
    AbsoluteZero wrote: »
    I'm impressed that we can buy loyalty with boner pills.

    Unless of course there is some way to build bombs out of boner pills that we are currently unaware of.

    Oh, I don't think it'll actually work...
    It usually does. I don't know why it wouldn't work this time. That never happened before, I swear.

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  • GooeyGooey Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I trust Iran (with a nuke) about as far as I can throw them.

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    override367 wrote: »
    Jealous Deva wrote: »
    Salvation122 wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    I mean hell they built the pyramids thousands of years ago so anyone with a shovel and some free time should be able to pull it off right?
    Pretty much. To speed it up, you just need to add a bunch more people with free time/forced labor time.

    If North Korea can build a fucking nuclear bomb, then Iran can.

    Edit: Also Pakistan to a lesser extent.

    Building a fission bomb is not difficult.

    I know a guy who built a fission bomb (minus the fissionables, of course) for his senior engineering project.

    The hard part is getting the fissionables and building thermonuclear fusion weapons (H-Bombs.)


    What's so hard about a hydrogen bomb?

    My impression was you just surround a traditional fission bomb with a jacket containing dueterium and tritium, surround that with a jacket containing a fair amount of fissionable uranium or plutonium, and the rest pretty much takes care of itself. Deuterium and Tritium aren't exactly rare materials.

    The hard part in any of it is getting together the massive amounts of fissionable material together and purifying it. The same technology used to make reactors used to produce power can be modified to produce fissionable material from non-fissionable uranium, and this is what makes people nervous.

    I'm not sure why it makes people nervous, Israel has hundreds of nuclear missiles capable of striking Iran - if a nuke went off anywhere that smelt Iranian they might decide to use them. Iran's government maybe arrogant, but they aren't retarded.

    I think if recent history has shown us anything, it's that militant Islam is a disease in that area whose most common symptom is making it's victims into non-rational actors.

    You don't give irrationals nukes and hope their common sense wins out.

    "The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us."
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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Demagoguery sucks but it's not really non-rational. It's a dick move but being a nice guy is rarely rational.

    "When you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. When you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »
    Demagoguery sucks but it's not really non-rational. It's a dick move but being a nice guy is rarely rational.

    Perhaps whomever starts it in a grab for power is not irrational. However, that kind of thing tends to breed irrational actors having more and more influence in government until they eventually run shit and/or the population has fully drank of the kool-aid.

    It's an easy situation to realize, really. If you are the supreme commander (in whatever title you give yourself) and declare some truly crazy shit to be 'the only way' and marginalize and/or kill anyone rationally opposing such horse-hockey, well you end up with only people agreeing with horse-hockey.

    It's awful hard to tell who really believes horse-hockey and who just says they do extremely convincingly in order to move up in government, because the first time you level with someone and they snitch you're done.

    "The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us."
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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    ...I'm not positive how you're applying that to Iran. They are basically an oligarchy but the actual leaders (not the President) aren't really pushing insane shit and the general population certainly isn't behind it. They aren't terribly authoritarian as far as things go either.

    Really, if we hadn't fucked with their politics gratuitously years ago Iran would be our favorite middle eastern country.

    "When you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. When you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Yes, because their political leaders never appeal to the genocide of Israel in tapping into that militant Islam spirit and it's just crazy to think that one day, someone born and raised in the region and spoon fed that kind of sentiment might one day actually believe it.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    ....are you actually holding up the President as something more than a figurehead?

    "When you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. When you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »
    ....are you actually holding up the President as something more than a figurehead?

    Do you understand the generational argument I'm making? Think past the current leader to the next generation, and then the next.

    And yes, I'm aware of where the actual power in Iran currently originates.

    "The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us."
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  • AldoAldo Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    What the fuck does this even have to do with the discussion at hand? Start your own thread if you want to discuss how Achmedinejad is the devil.

    I thought we had a pretty nice discussion going on what's good/bad about giving Viagra to local leaders. My opinion is that it is a good way to get intel out of them, and that it justifies prolonging the oppressed position of women in the area.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Iran is probably one of, if not the most advanced nation in that region other than Israel. The country's leaders may be Islamic fundamentalists but they are smart enough to realize that launching a nuclear strike against another country would result in the swift and total destruction of their nation and its people and everything they have worked to build. The whole "Iran wants to nuke Israel" thing is a manufactured crisis, hugely overblown by US media outlets and calculated to appeal to the ignorance and xenophobia of dumbass Americans who don't know the first thing about Iran and couldn't point it out on an unlabelled map. All because of one single mistranslated and out-of-context quote from Ahmadinejad who has no real power in the first place.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User
    edited December 2008
    Derrick wrote: »
    Yes, because their political leaders never appeal to the genocide of Israel in tapping into that militant Islam spirit and it's just crazy to think that one day, someone born and raised in the region and spoon fed that kind of sentiment might one day actually believe it.

    Saudi Arabia is more worrisome in that regard than Iran.
    Iran has an extremely lively youth culture (the rap scene is illegal and huge) and the youth probably wont be sticking with the same ideologies as their fathers. Ahmadinejad is under heavy pressure in Iran for making his country an international pariah, and there's probably more dissent amongst the youth because that's the way it works.

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