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Israel bans Arab political parties from elections

deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
edited January 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/01/israel_bans_arab_parties_from_coming_election.php
Israel on Monday banned Arab political parties from running in next month's parliamentary elections, drawing accusations of racism by an Arab lawmaker who said he would challenge the decision in the country's Supreme Court.
So, in Israel, if you are not part of a Jewish political party, you are not allowed to run for office anymore.

By doing this, Israel has forfeited any claim to being a democracy, and is inching closer and closer to total apartheid. This is racism at its most basic. Is there any chance of the supreme court overturning this? Even if they do, will their decision be followed? It seems as of late that the court speaks and no one listens.

I see this possibly setting off a violent uprising in Israel itself.

(This should be kept separate from the Gaza thread, because this isn't about the war, it's about Israel's internal politics.)

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Biden said that Obama was going to be tested... is this just Israel testing Obamas committment to remaining a friend of Israel?

    Seriously, invading a neighboring country then implementing restrictions on who among their citizens can participate in their own democrocy.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    Well I know I'm pretty much done being a friend of Israel.

  • Darkchampion3dDarkchampion3d Registered User
    edited January 2009
    They know they will lose power if they don't do this. Demographics are against them and though it is disgusting, I am completely unsurprised.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    This won't end well.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    How do they consider this to be a good idea?

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 2009
    Wow. This is pretty awful.

    I'm not terribly surprised, but...

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    How do they consider this to be a good idea?
    Maybe it will make the later gas grab easier?

    Way to prove Jimmy Carter right, though.

  • HonkHonk Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? peach treesRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Daedalus wrote: »
    This won't end well.

    Understatement of the Year 2009

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  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    How do they consider this to be a good idea?
    Maybe it will make the later gas grab easier?

    Way to prove Jimmy Carter right, though.

    Pfft, that Anti-Semite.

    Though of all the things Israel has done/could do this doesn't seem terribly surprising to me.

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    /picardfacepalm

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  • HonkHonk Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Seriously, how is this possible?

  • CoinageCoinage The man from the other side Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Honk wrote: »
    Seriously, how is this possible?
    They're a vaguely democratic theocracy. What do you expect? They're basically as fucked up as most of the other countries in the region. Why we've decided that their particular brand of fucked-upness means we give them shitloads of aid and support and tell everyone else in the region to fuck off, I don't know.

  • HonkHonk Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Coinage wrote: »
    I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?

    I'd find that incredibly hard to believe.

  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    WTF. Okay. Well. Shit is going to hit the fan.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Seriously, how is this possible?
    They're a vaguely democratic theocracy. What do you expect? They're basically as fucked up as most of the other countries in the region. Why we've decided that their particular brand of fucked-upness means we give them shitloads of aid and support and tell everyone else in the region to fuck off, I don't know.

    Because they have supporters that spend lots of money on K Street?

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User
    edited January 2009
    this is fucked.

    If it holds up in court, total clusterfuck.

  • geckahngeckahn Registered User
    edited January 2009
    Coinage wrote: »
    I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?

    no. stop.

  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Honk wrote: »
    Seriously, how is this possible?
    Reactionary politics?

    Or trolling. Most likely the worst of both.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Coinage wrote: »
    I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?
    They're basically completely disenfranchising 20% of their electorate (who was really only getting ten percent of the representation to begin with).

    I think Israel is just defining "anyone who has ever been inside a Mosque" as a terrorist. See, that way, they don't feel so bad about the senseless slaughter and apartheid.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Coinage wrote: »
    I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?

    No.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Coinage wrote: »
    I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?

    Do you really want us to go into a discussion of the background of Likud (which nobody argues should be removed?)

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  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    See what I mean?

    Neocons with Stars of David instead of crucifixes.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User
    edited January 2009
    Huh. they banned a party before, in the 80s. super zionist one I guess.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Coinage wrote: »
    I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?

    If they were providing actual support (money, people) to the terrorists, there are already tools in place to deal with that. Banning a party just because they lend moral/rhetorical support to terrorists is straight up bullshit.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    See what I mean?

    Neocons with Stars of David instead of crucifixes.

    You...you do know that a sizable contingent of neocons were hawkish Jews who supported Israel, right? To the point that people have tried to argue that "neocon" is an anti-Semitic slur?

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  • CoinageCoinage The man from the other side Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Coinage wrote: »
    I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?

    Do you really want us to go into a discussion of the background of Likud (which nobody argues should be removed?)
    No, probably not.

    By the way I should have added that I wasn't saying they were justified, I was just speaking rhetorically. ;-)

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?

    No.

    Yeah, I don't care if it's the Murder Babies and Lynch All Them Darkies Party. Let them organize.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Coinage wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    I don't know much about this situation, but I think it sparks an interesting corrollary question: is it ever right to ban a party? What if all those parties really did support terrorists?

    Do you really want us to go into a discussion of the background of Likud (which nobody argues should be removed?)
    No, probably not.

    By the way I should have added that I wasn't saying they were justified, I was just speaking rhetorically. ;-)

    Well, the answer is no. Remember, Britain got a LOT more mileage out of treating Sinn Fein as a legitimate political actor than they ever did trying to conflate it with the IRA.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    First of all- this is terribad and there's no defense of it.

    Second, there is some dramatization here. What happened is that the two Arab parties in Knesset- Balad and United Arab List-Ta'al- are being disqualified from the upcoming election. This isn't a ban on 'all Arab parties' in general (however, there happen to be only two). They were individual, faceted motions, not a comprehensive ban on Arab parties in general.

    Also, I'll note that these are the first parties banned since the 80s- when a party was banned for advocacy of expelling all Arabs from Israel.

    This action isn't defensible, but it is what it is- not what some of ya'll are choosing to extrapolate it to.

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  • ElldrenElldren 3067-6294-6208Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Well, I'm sure discussion in the U.S. media will be quashed by charges of anti-Semitism leveled willy-nilly.

    It always is.

  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I'm not clear on what Israel's official justification is for this action.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm not clear on what Israel's official justification is for this action.
    Basically "these guys are jerks, we don't want them in out government."

  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm not clear on what Israel's official justification is for this action.

    Probably something about protecting Israelis from rocket attacks from inside the party headquarters.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Bad policy is bad.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm not clear on what Israel's official justification is for this action.
    Well, if they'd done it before now, the Arabs would have had a month or more to organize political parties to get on the ballot.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    The Israeli Supreme Court seems more sane on these issues, so hopefully they can overturn this.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Organichu wrote: »
    First of all- this is terribad and there's no defense of it.

    Second, there is some dramatization here. What happened is that the two Arab parties in Knesset- Balad and United Arab List-Ta'al- are being disqualified from the upcoming election. This isn't a ban on 'all Arab parties' in general (however, there happen to be only two). They were individual, faceted motions, not a comprehensive ban on Arab parties in general.

    Also, I'll note that these are the first parties banned since the 80s- when a party was banned for advocacy of expelling all Arabs for Israel.

    This action isn't defensible, but it is what it is- not what some of ya'll are choosing to extrapolate it to.
    I'll lay money that it's too late to get any new Arab parties on the ballot for the February election.

    So, how is it not what we're choosing to extrapolate? Also, did anyone other than the Arab parties vote against this? Or is it basically two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner?

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Organichu wrote: »
    First of all- this is terribad and there's no defense of it.

    Second, there is some dramatization here. What happened is that the two Arab parties in Knesset- Balad and United Arab List-Ta'al- are being disqualified from the upcoming election. This isn't a ban on 'all Arab parties' in general (however, there happen to be only two). They were individual, faceted motions, not a comprehensive ban on Arab parties in general.

    Also, I'll note that these are the first parties banned since the 80s- when a party was banned for advocacy of expelling all Arabs for Israel.

    This action isn't defensible, but it is what it is- not what some of ya'll are choosing to extrapolate it to.

    Okay, here's the million dollar question - how the fuck do you think this looks to the rest of the world? Seriously - Israel is waging a one-sided war while the rest of the world looks on in horror, and then ejects from its government two Arab political parties on the behest of the ultranationalist wing that provoked the war in the first place.

    You know, when I equated the position of Israeli Arabs with the position of Southern Black Americans in the 60s, you told me that I was being hyperbolic and it wasn't that bad. Somehow, after this turn of events, I think you owe me an apology.

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