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Israel bans Arab political parties from elections
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"We can't be sure they're on our side, and you people are scared out of your mind, so we're going to exploit the situation and oppress these people for political gain."
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The problem is the Knesset seems to be taking an Jacksonian stand on this - namely, they're telling the Court "yes, you ruled this way, now try to enforce it."
What're some examples of that?
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When the court ordered them to allow press access during the current war and they said "uh no"
Um, the IDF banning reporters from Gaza, for starters?
Edit: Nice, a triple play.
Yeah, expect another couple months of random buildings in the Greater Israel Area getting blown to bits.
Because something happening incidentally and something happening purposefully are two different things. If all of the reserve players on your team are found to be taking performance enhancing drugs and so they're all disqualified, and as a corollary my favorite team gets a 'win', it doesn't mean that I went about making your team ineligible to play. It's an 'incidence', not an intention. Like I said, the people found guilty of drug use shouldn't be disqualified anyway- no ideas should be silenced in a democratic arena- but again it doesn't prove intent.
Unless you can provide proof that the overarching intention of these motions is to effectively stifle Arab representation in Knesset?...
As I see it, a pair of very undemocratic and deplorable motions passed through Knesset. An unfortunate consequence (though certainly not a racially motivated agenda by the Israeli government at large) is that Arab voters (and the Arabs who wished to run on the tickets of either of those two parties) will be shorted this election.
It's going to look bad. It looks bad to us in Israel. It is bad. I just said that.
No, I don't think that you do. I stand by my position that the two aren't comparable.
You think it's just a fucking coincidence that they passed these motions less than a month before an election? Like, "oh, we hadn't thought about it before now, but let's get this taken care of...?" Are they putting something in the fucking water over there or something? And they weren't "found guilty" of anything; there wasn't even a fucking trial. A bunch of other political parties said "oh, sorry, you visited other Arab countries; that means we slap a terrorist label on you, and you're out." This is like instead of drug testing to discover performance-enhancing drugs, asking the other teams in the American League whether or not they think the Yankees are using performance-enhancing drugs, then disqualifying them based on a majority of them saying "yes."
This is fucking bullshit, Organichu. I mean, I realize I use a lot of hyperbole when dealing with Israel, but to pretend this is anything but a naked power grab is fucking abhorrent.
That doesn't make any sense to me.
Let's say that tomorrow every Asian American male over the age of 18 committed a murder. They were all indicted, sat trial, and were found guilty. Let's throw in that we have the death penalty in these instances, and so all of those men are executed. This will severely harm the Asian American community. It will take away many of its workers, fathers, and bread winners.
Are you saying those convictions would then, as a result, be racist? o_O
And yes, this is stifling Arab support in the Knesset, because your government just said that Arab citizens are not allowed to have an Arab voice in your government.
Are you suggesting that every single member of the Arab parties are criminals?
Funnily enough it's the opposite and yet I'm sure by tonight, when the story hits the U.S. news outlets properly, there will be plenty of accusations of anti-semitism.
Assuming of course that they even comment on the story.
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Yeah, that analogy is so fucking asinine it doesn't even merit a response. This is more along the line of Executive Order 9099, where we declared American citizens to be national security risks based on their race.
It would be more like all of the Asian Americans getting arrested for jaywalking and detained for 24 hours, and it all just happened to occur on election day.
Though that's still a horrible analogy.
I've already said that the bans of the party in and of themselves are terrible and undemocratic things. When I said 'found guilty', I didn't mean via a worthy survey. I didn't suggest there were comprehensive- or even cursory- investigations into whether the bans were deserved. The bans are bad. End of story- no need to try to approach that from a different angle, I already agree.
On to the point where we disagree, then: I don't disagree that this is a power grab. It absolutely is the intention of Yisrael Beiteinu (and some of the xenophobic members of more mainstream parties) to fill Knesset with war hawks, and so they jumped all over this proposal. However I disagree that it is an intentional power play upon racial lines (at least, amongst most of the government, which is, as I've already said, my primary point of contention).
So, I absolutely believe that this is a concerted effort to manipulate the ideological paradigm in the Knesset. I believe that as a consequence, many Israeli Arabs will need to run around with their heads cut off to decide on new votes in the next few weeks. However, I don't think that 'because they are Arab' is the reason. I think it's entirely self-furthering and is on ideological, and not racial, lines.
Why would you write something like that? What the hell?
So, what they're really being thrown out for is objecting to the war in Gaza.
It's the same kind of reaction a lot of Americans had when Dubya happened.
No, it was just an example. It doesn't matter whether the subjects- Asian Americans, Arabs- deserved any sort of punishment or whether they're guilty or not. I can't restate this enough.
What matters is that being Machiavellian is not necessarily being racist. That is my point.
I'm honestly trying to come up with a reason other than ^
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That's just a bonus.
Y'know, states' rights, like the right to own black people.
Yeah, that totally doesn't run along racial lines.
I don't know a great deal about the US civil war so perhaps you could make use of a different example that might allow me a deeper understanding?
It needs to be kept in perspective, though, that it is specific parties being singled out, not a specific race. That doesn't suddenly make it okay, but it does make it a different kind of issue.
Seriously
This analogy is so profoundly stupid I can't even find the words to describe it
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Seriously, are you familiar with the term "pretense?"