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US Airways plane crashes in the Hudson river

CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
edited January 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
Right now on most major networks.
151 people on board.
Looks like the pilot put the plane down after hitting a flock of geese. It looks mostly intact and hasn't sunk yet.

Edit:
CNN
US Airways flight down in New York's Hudson River
Emergency officials are responding to a downed plane in the Hudson River in New York City, according to the city fire and police departments. The FAA confirmed US Airways Flight 1549, an Airbus A320 headed from New York's LaGuardia Airport to Charlotte, North Carolina, was down in the river following a failed takeoff. The U.S. Coast Guard said units were also responding, and a ferry on site was dropping life jackets into the water.
The plane approached the water at a gradual angle and made a big splash, according to a witness watching from an office building.

"It wasn't going particularly fast. It was a slow contact with the water that it made," the witness, Ben VonKlemperer, told CNN.
MSNBC wrote:
Govt official says both engines disabled by birds

Current temp 20F in NYC
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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    Woah, I hope everyone makes it okay

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Hopefully all people can be recovered safely. Pilot is a hero if no one is injured.

  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I think the biggest worry is the cold water.

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  • GooeyGooey Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I think the biggest worry is the cold water.

    Definitely.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    Hypothermia.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I think the biggest worry is the cold water.

    DAMN TERRORIST BIRDS!

    Fuck didn't even think about that, well at least leo will die so that Kate and her nice fat titties can survive.

  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Preacher wrote: »
    Hopefully all people can be recovered safely. Pilot is a hero if no one is injured.

    Yeah, sounds like the pilot pulled off an emergency water landing?

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Hopefully all people can be recovered safely. Pilot is a hero if no one is injured.

    Yeah, sounds like the pilot pulled off an emergency water landing?

    No one ever thinks that will happen. Especially when not flying over the ocean. But I'm betting it was the best place to land this sucker, for sure.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Hopefully all people can be recovered safely. Pilot is a hero if no one is injured.

    Yeah, sounds like the pilot pulled off an emergency water landing?

    Finally you get to use those damn cushions! I bet everyone was like "Fuck what was that saftey lecture FUCK FUCK!"

  • GooeyGooey Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    A water landing has just got to be the worst. Even if people survive, you've still got to get out of the plane and swim. There are those life jackets and things but I imagine concern for those is replaced with "get out of the fucking plane, now!"

    It is hard to swim in full clothes with shoes on. Try it sometime. I can only imagine what it's like in water that's that cold.

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  • BrotherVoodooBrotherVoodoo Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    M Night Shimalynanginaliygangakang was right. Nature hates humans.

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  • CorvusCorvus Caw? VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Live feed:

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/live/?aid=37657434&vid=30522094

    Sounds like everyone survived. Looks like there are lots of boats out there doing rescue and so on.

  • ForarForar Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Definitely hoping everyone is okay. It's pretty damned cold out there, and I sure wouldn't want to be in a river without proper clothing on for it. Which I doubt anyone is wearing for takeoff on an aircraft.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    Gooey wrote: »
    A water landing has just got to be the worst. Even if people survive, you've still got to get out of the plane and swim. There are those life jackets and things but I imagine concern for those is replaced with "get out of the fucking plane, now!"

    It is hard to swim in full clothes with shoes on. Try it sometime. I can only imagine what it's like in water that's that cold.

    Those slide thingies that go out over the wings inflate so hopefully they can get on those and out of the water.

    Water landing sucks for getting out of the plane, but it had to be 10000 times easier to set that fatass plane down on a wide river rather than uneven ground with trees and shit on it


    Also I hope there were no puppies or cats in the cargo hold :(

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Gooey wrote: »
    A water landing has just got to be the worst. Even if people survive, you've still got to get out of the plane and swim. There are those life jackets and things but I imagine concern for those is replaced with "get out of the fucking plane, now!"

    It is hard to swim in full clothes with shoes on. Try it sometime. I can only imagine what it's like in water that's that cold.

    To be honest, where they went down is probably one of the better places to do so. It's not like they're in the middle of the Atlantic - they went down right on the mouth of the Hudson River. They had NYPD patrol boats, NYFD fireboats, and a Staten Island Ferry providing support within minutes, I bet.

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  • CorvusCorvus Caw? VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Forar wrote: »
    Definitely hoping everyone is okay. It's pretty damned cold out there, and I sure wouldn't want to be in a river without proper clothing on for it. Which I doubt anyone is wearing for takeoff on an aircraft.

    I kind of doubt anyone boarded the plane in a survival suit, yeah. :P

  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Gooey wrote: »
    A water landing has just got to be the worst. Even if people survive, you've still got to get out of the plane and swim. There are those life jackets and things but I imagine concern for those is replaced with "get out of the fucking plane, now!"

    It is hard to swim in full clothes with shoes on. Try it sometime. I can only imagine what it's like in water that's that cold.

    To be honest, where they went down is probably one of the better places to do so. It's not like they're in the middle of the Atlantic - they went down right on the mouth of the Hudson River. They had NYPD patrol boats, NYFD fireboats, and a Staten Island Ferry providing support within minutes, I bet.

    Reports are a ferry went towards it as soon as it hit the water and was there in 4 minutes or so.

    Current temp in NY is about 20 degrees.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Everyone who missed that flight is looking out for Tony Todd right now.

  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Someone from the plane is on the phone with CNN right now and said that they think everyone made it off with just a few injuries.

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  • GooeyGooey Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Gooey wrote: »
    A water landing has just got to be the worst. Even if people survive, you've still got to get out of the plane and swim. There are those life jackets and things but I imagine concern for those is replaced with "get out of the fucking plane, now!"

    It is hard to swim in full clothes with shoes on. Try it sometime. I can only imagine what it's like in water that's that cold.

    To be honest, where they went down is probably one of the better places to do so. It's not like they're in the middle of the Atlantic - they went down right on the mouth of the Hudson River. They had NYPD patrol boats, NYFD fireboats, and a Staten Island Ferry providing support within minutes, I bet.

    That's very true, but minutes can still be an eternity in cold water. Especially since most people are wearing cotton clothing and that's pretty much the worst type of fabric in a survival situation due to the fact that it soaks up ridiculous amounts of water. Not only does it weigh more in the water and make it difficult to swim, when you get out it's retaining water so you're still in danger of hypothermia.

    It is very fortunate it happened where it did, though.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Someone from the plane is on the phone with CNN right now and said that they think everyone made it off with just a few injuries.

    Man that Pilot should be in a parade by tomorrow!

  • galenbladegalenblade Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Jesus Christ, that's like, not far from where I am right now.

    The weather's cold, but not intolerable here, and it looks like nobody is floundering around in the water. So that's a bullet dodged. And where they crashed has a marina right near it, so I'm sure they'll be rescued in short order.

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  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I think the biggest worry is the cold water.

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  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Preacher wrote: »
    Someone from the plane is on the phone with CNN right now and said that they think everyone made it off with just a few injuries.

    Man that Pilot should be in a parade by tomorrow!

    In this day and age of the internet and fast reporting they should have the parade set up by 5pm today :P

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    What's the temperature in the area at the moment? I've been in cold water before and it feels like you're dying. I can't imagine in full clothing, swimming for your life.

    If everyone's alive that's a wonderful lucky stroke though.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Ladies and Gentlemen, the pilot and co-pilot of that plane are the two newest heroes in the world. Simply amazing.

    Bloody birds.

  • wunderbarwunderbar Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    What's the temperature in the area at the moment? I've been in cold water before and it feels like you're dying. I can't imagine in full clothing, swimming for your life.

    If everyone's alive that's a wonderful lucky stroke though.

    The beauty is is that the plane is pretty much floating in the water, from the videos I'm seeing it looks like everyone can get out without actually having to go right into the water, they can literally walk on the wing and get onto a boat.

  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Can someone who has done some aerospace engineering explain why they don't put heavy metal mesh over the front of the engines? Reduces airflow?

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    that's...fucking awesome.

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  • GooeyGooey Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Can someone who has done some aerospace engineering explain why they don't put heavy metal mesh over the front of the engines? Reduces airflow?

    They do test engines by shooting birds at them...

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Can someone who has done some aerospace engineering explain why they don't put heavy metal mesh over the front of the engines? Reduces airflow?

    In case you have to kick a terrorist into the jet engine you wouldn't be able to do with with a mesh there.

  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Oh great, now we're going to have to fight a global war on birds.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I would assume at the speeds they are going it wouldn't matter if there was a mesh or not. That and what if it hits it, and then reduces the air flow? the engine is just as dead if it shuts off mid air because there's not enough air.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Gooey wrote: »
    Can someone who has done some aerospace engineering explain why they don't put heavy metal mesh over the front of the engines? Reduces airflow?

    They do test engines by shooting birds at them...

    man this must be the funnest job ever

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Can someone who has done some aerospace engineering explain why they don't put heavy metal mesh over the front of the engines? Reduces airflow?

    I would guess that it reduces airflow or baffles the air too much, especially if you made the mesh small enough so that a bird would bounce off rather than go through it.

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  • BrotherVoodooBrotherVoodoo Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    What's the temperature in the area at the moment? I've been in cold water before and it feels like you're dying. I can't imagine in full clothing, swimming for your life.

    If everyone's alive that's a wonderful lucky stroke though.

    I would assume most of them will get a jolt of adrenaline and that should boost their heart rate and keep them warm enough as long as they make it out of the water soon enough. As long as everyone makes it out of the water within an hour or two they should be alright, allthough Im sure some will require hospitalization if they get stuck soaking wet.

    I'm used to hearing about snowmobilers (not snow machines, you fucking Alaskan inbreds) falling through the frozen lakes in Minnesota.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    tsmvengy wrote: »
    Can someone who has done some aerospace engineering explain why they don't put heavy metal mesh over the front of the engines? Reduces airflow?

    I would guess that it reduces airflow or baffles the air too much, especially if you made the mesh small enough so that a bird would bounce off rather than go through it.

    With the air a jet engine moves it'd probably do little but chop the bird into little cubes before sucking them into the engine anyway

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    wunderbar wrote: »
    I would assume at the speeds they are going it wouldn't matter if there was a mesh or not. That and what if it hits it, and then reduces the air flow? the engine is just as dead if it shuts off mid air because there's not enough air.

    Actually the mesh would just get sucked in with the thing if it were impacted. And then it would likely fail far more catastrophically than if there were no mesh at all. A bird is pretty damned soft compared to metal, and one bird by itself will in the vast majority of cases just get blenderized and go out the other side. If you hit a whole flock, though, that's just too much crap and you clog and jam up your blender.

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  • galenbladegalenblade Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Gooey wrote: »
    A water landing has just got to be the worst. Even if people survive, you've still got to get out of the plane and swim. There are those life jackets and things but I imagine concern for those is replaced with "get out of the fucking plane, now!"

    It is hard to swim in full clothes with shoes on. Try it sometime. I can only imagine what it's like in water that's that cold.

    The inflatable bail-out ramps also act as life rafts. Unless something got fucked up, no one should have to swim.

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