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edited February 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
And so it begins. What will be the first items accomplished? How good will they be or how much will they suck? Will bipartisanship actually occur or will logjams get broken by sheer force of will? When will Harry Reid buckle under and capitulate? And who will he capitulate to? What's going to happen in the Middle East? How many times will the talking heads talk about the historic nature of the first black President signing a bill into law, and the first black President vetoing a bill, and the first black President using a pocket veto, and the first black President having a ceremony on the south lawn, and the first black President to host a state dinner, and the first black President to raid the white house ice cream stash....

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Politifact: List of campaign promises and their status.
Wikipedia Article on the time line of the administration.

Accomplishments thus far:
Executive Orders-
  • Requiring the closure of Guantanamo Detention Center within 1 year. [citation]
  • Establishing the Army Field Manual as the standard for interrogation techniques for everyone. [citation]
  • Closing the 'black sites' and putting a halt to extraordinary rendition, and ordinary rendition, of prisoners or detainees. [citation]
  • Freezing the pay for all White House Staff earning a salary of over $100k. [citation]
  • Banning gifts from lobbyists and preventing administration officials from working as lobbyists for two years after leaving the White House or until the Administration is ended. [citation]
  • Ending the 'global gag rule' and permitting government funding to clinics that provide abortions. [citation]
  • Favouring Union Labour in any large scale Federal construction work. [citation]

Legislation Signed into Law-
Legislation Vetoed-
  • None.

Regulations:
  • States allowed to set emission standards for vehicles. [citation]
  • Compensation restrictions on TARP recipients: [citation]
    No top executives will be paid more than $500,000 a year.
    Any additional compensation must be paid in restricted stock options that do not vest "until taxpayers have been paid back.''
    Restrictions on golden parachutes.
    "Say on pay" shareholder policies "to give a voice to average investors about salary structures for top executives.''
    Tougher "transparency rules,'' including on expenses such as aviation services, office renovations, entertainment and holiday parties, conferences and events.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Wow the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pair Act sounds great. Glad he signed it!

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Am I the only one who kind of hopes Palin flips out and throws a shoe at him at the Alfalfa Club?

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  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Am I the only one who kind of hopes Palin flips out and throws a shoe at him at the Alfalfa Club?

    Hey, those shoes cost the Republican party a bajillion dollars. They shouldn't be abused like that.

    Damn it, it's fucking noon. I demand to know if Yami shit on a desk yet.
  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    FyreWulff wrote: »

    She is the governor of a state. I'm pretty sure she's capable of getting an audience with the President if neccessary. :|

    Well, at least now she needs to stand up when Obama comes into the room. You know, the same guy she hurled insults at during the entire election season.

    Also...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfalfa_Club

    How come the President of the United States attends a dinner where they celebrate an Confederate General? I mean, isn't that kind of like celebrating your enemy? I've never understood the whole Southern Pride stuff regarding the Civil War. I'm certainly not proud of my country's history of allying with Nazi Germany (didn't really have options if we wanted to stay independent...but still) so I don't understand why someone is proud of their states having fighted for the right to own slaves.

    Dont want to CivilWar this thread, but it was much more than slavery.

    I admit that I'm not an expert on the matter, but I'm pretty sure that was the biggest part of it. I mean, the Southern States were called "Slave States" and all.

  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? peach treesRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    urahonky wrote: »
    Wow the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pair Act sounds great. Glad he signed it!

    Now I am no law expert

    But don't we already have like a billion of these laws already?

    Is this really gonna do anything for women getting paid less than men or is it another one of those symbolic gesture things?

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  • Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    Politifact: List of campaign promises and their status.
    Wikipedia Article on the time line of the administration.

    Accomplishments thus far:
    Executive Orders-
    • Requiring the closure of Guantanamo Detention Center within 1 year. [citation]
    • Establishing the Army Field Manual as the standard for interrogation techniques for everyone. [citation]
    • Closing the 'black sites' and putting a halt to extraordinary rendition, and ordinary rendition, of prisoners or detainees. [citation]
    • Freezing the pay for all White House Staff earning a salary of over $100k. [citation]
    • Banning gifts from lobbyists and preventing administration officials from working as lobbyists for two years after leaving the White House or until the Administration is ended. [citation]
    • Ending the 'global gag rule' and permitting government funding to clinics that provide abortions. [citation]

    Legislation Signed into Law-
    • Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act [citation]

    Legislation Vetoed-
    • None.

    Looking at this list makes me very happy, but also kind of emphasizes how absolutely fucking retarded the last eight years were that some of this wasn't passed until now.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Olivaw wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Wow the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pair Act sounds great. Glad he signed it!

    Now I am no law expert

    But don't we already have like a billion of these laws already?

    Is this really gonna do anything for women getting paid less than men or is it another one of those symbolic gesture things?
    The Supreme Court ruled that the statute of limitations for noticing you're getting screwed and acting on it was based on the date of your first paycheck.

    It basically made any sort of institutionalized pay discrimination impossible to litigate against.

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Wow the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pair Act sounds great. Glad he signed it!

    Now I am no law expert

    But don't we already have like a billion of these laws already?

    Is this really gonna do anything for women getting paid less than men or is it another one of those symbolic gesture things?
    The Supreme Court ruled that the statute of limitations for noticing you're getting screwed and acting on it was based on the date of your first paycheck.

    It basically made any sort of institutionalized pay discrimination impossible to litigate against.

    C... can you put that into simpler terms?

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 2009
    FyreWulff wrote: »

    She is the governor of a state. I'm pretty sure she's capable of getting an audience with the President if neccessary. :|

    Well, at least now she needs to stand up when Obama comes into the room. You know, the same guy she hurled insults at during the entire election season.

    Also...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfalfa_Club

    How come the President of the United States attends a dinner where they celebrate an Confederate General? I mean, isn't that kind of like celebrating your enemy? I've never understood the whole Southern Pride stuff regarding the Civil War. I'm certainly not proud of my country's history of allying with Nazi Germany (didn't really have options if we wanted to stay independent...but still) so I don't understand why someone is proud of their states having fighted for the right to own slaves.

    Dont want to CivilWar this thread, but it was much more than slavery.

    I admit that I'm not an expert on the matter, but I'm pretty sure that was the biggest part of it. I mean, the Southern States were called "Slave States" and all.

    No, we are not discussing this here.

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  • The Raging PlatypusThe Raging Platypus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    Politico wrote:

    Spoiler:
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Olivaw wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Wow the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pair Act sounds great. Glad he signed it!

    Now I am no law expert

    But don't we already have like a billion of these laws already?

    Is this really gonna do anything for women getting paid less than men or is it another one of those symbolic gesture things?

    It's in response to the SCOTUS ruling on Ledbetter v Goodyear expanding the statute of limitations to your most recent paycheck rather than the first one you ever receive. Basically a response to the Roberts court punting it back to the Legislature rather than ruling with a more sane interpretation of the statute.

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  • Mei HikariMei Hikari Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Wow the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pair Act sounds great. Glad he signed it!

    Now I am no law expert

    But don't we already have like a billion of these laws already?

    Is this really gonna do anything for women getting paid less than men or is it another one of those symbolic gesture things?
    The Supreme Court ruled that the statute of limitations for noticing you're getting screwed and acting on it was based on the date of your first paycheck.

    It basically made any sort of institutionalized pay discrimination impossible to litigate against.

    C... can you put that into simpler terms?

    The Supreme Court interpreted the previous fair pay legislation to mean that unless you sued for the pay discrimination within 180 days of the first time you were paid less than your male counterparts, you couldn't sue to get back pay at all.

    This legislation makes it explicitly clear that each subsequent paycheck that you're paid less starts the 180 day period where you can sue over again.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    The White House website, now with high-res photos:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/images/winter_storm_signature.jpg

    Dear god, you can see the outline of the greek key in the Resolute desk.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    Politico wrote:

    That was actually a really good article on effective communication. I think you might have stroked out and missed the point.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Wow the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pair Act sounds great. Glad he signed it!

    Now I am no law expert

    But don't we already have like a billion of these laws already?

    Is this really gonna do anything for women getting paid less than men or is it another one of those symbolic gesture things?
    The Supreme Court ruled that the statute of limitations for noticing you're getting screwed and acting on it was based on the date of your first paycheck.

    It basically made any sort of institutionalized pay discrimination impossible to litigate against.

    C... can you put that into simpler terms?
    Usetabe that once you got fucked over on pay because you were a woman/minority/etc the time you had to deal with it was set by the first paycheck.

    Now, each new paycheck where you make less because of your sex/race/etc is considered a new infraction, so it resets the statute of limitations. So if you find out you've been screwed for three years, you can still get the back pay you're owed.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    Politico wrote:
    NO

    *WHACK*

    YOU DON'T

    *WHACK*

    GET AN

    *WHACK*

    INTERVIEW

    *WHACK*

    BILL

    *WHACK*

    GO

    *WHACK*

    HOME

    *STOMP*

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  • ForarForar #432 Already prepping for Toronto Fan Expo!Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I wonder if the work censor blocks that site...

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    Politico wrote:

    That was actually a really good article on effective communication. I think you might have stroked out and missed the point.
    To be fair, when I saw the article, my line was "And so the Messiah touched them, and so they felt shame".

    I have a blog. Read it. Blog-reading makes you pretty and popular.
  • VeritasVRVeritasVR Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Wow the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pair Act sounds great. Glad he signed it!

    Now I am no law expert

    But don't we already have like a billion of these laws already?

    Is this really gonna do anything for women getting paid less than men or is it another one of those symbolic gesture things?
    The Supreme Court ruled that the statute of limitations for noticing you're getting screwed and acting on it was based on the date of your first paycheck.

    It basically made any sort of institutionalized pay discrimination impossible to litigate against.

    C... can you put that into simpler terms?
    Usetabe that once you got fucked over on pay because you were a woman/minority/etc the time you had to deal with it was set by the first paycheck.

    Now, each new paycheck where you make less because of your sex/race/etc is considered a new infraction, so it resets the statute of limitations. So if you find out you've been screwed for three years, you can still get the back pay you're owed.

    I think the law will act more as a deterrant to companies to stop the unfair pay, not actually encourage more lawsuits like the opponents are saying.

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  • The Raging PlatypusThe Raging Platypus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    Politico wrote:

    That was actually a really good article on effective communication. I think you might have stroked out and missed the point.

    Probably. I fully admit my bias against Politico is showing - it just seemed awfully weird to see this article headlining their main page with everything else going on, and I assumed they were subtly pushing the whole "Obamessiah" meme we all know and love.

    Spoiler:
  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    Politico wrote:
    Technically, Yahweh, as referred to by Charlton-Heston-Moses.

    Edit: nevermind, the quote I'm thinking of is "BEHOLD HIS MIGHTY HAND."

  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    The White House website, now with high-res photos:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/images/winter_storm_signature.jpg

    Dear god, you can see the outline of the greek key in the Resolute desk.

    Damn that picture is amazing. My new background!

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    The White House website, now with high-res photos:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/images/winter_storm_signature.jpg

    Dear god, you can see the outline of the greek key in the Resolute desk.

    Greek Key?

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    VeritasVR wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Wow the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pair Act sounds great. Glad he signed it!

    Now I am no law expert

    But don't we already have like a billion of these laws already?

    Is this really gonna do anything for women getting paid less than men or is it another one of those symbolic gesture things?
    The Supreme Court ruled that the statute of limitations for noticing you're getting screwed and acting on it was based on the date of your first paycheck.

    It basically made any sort of institutionalized pay discrimination impossible to litigate against.

    C... can you put that into simpler terms?
    Usetabe that once you got fucked over on pay because you were a woman/minority/etc the time you had to deal with it was set by the first paycheck.

    Now, each new paycheck where you make less because of your sex/race/etc is considered a new infraction, so it resets the statute of limitations. So if you find out you've been screwed for three years, you can still get the back pay you're owed.

    I think the law will act more as a deterrant to companies to stop the unfair pay, not actually encourage more lawsuits like the opponents are saying.

    Well I don't think it will encourage more lawsuits since precedence was exactly what this bill says until the Supreme Court decided to throw precedence completely out the window in 2007.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    The White House website, now with high-res photos:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/images/winter_storm_signature.jpg

    Dear god, you can see the outline of the greek key in the Resolute desk.

    Greek Key?

    0198606788.greek-key.1.jpg

    It's an ancient motif that symbolizes infinity. Most ornamented old buildings and furniture has it on it somewhere. The Resolute desk has it around the writing surface, and you get close enough in that resolution to see the indents.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    tsmvengy wrote: »
    Well I don't think it will encourage more lawsuits since precedence was exactly what this bill says until the Supreme Court decided to throw precedence completely out the window in 2007.

    Well it's not like people who found out that they were discriminated against in pay weren't going to sue in the first place because they've been working there for years. The only thing that will really lead to more lawsuits (after/if the wave that might come as a result of this bill) would be more discriminatory pay that people can sue over.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    The White House website, now with high-res photos:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/images/winter_storm_signature.jpg

    Dear god, you can see the outline of the greek key in the Resolute desk.

    Greek Key?

    0198606788.greek-key.1.jpg

    It's an ancient motif that symbolizes infinity. Most ornamented old buildings and furniture has it on it somewhere. The Resolute desk has it around the writing surface, and you get close enough in that resolution to see the indents.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    VeritasVR wrote: »
    I think the law will act more as a deterrant to companies to stop the unfair pay, not actually encourage more lawsuits like the opponents are saying.
    Either of those are awesome outcomes. One way, people aren't getting screwed. The other way, the people who screwed other people are paying for it.

    Win/win.

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  • VeritasVRVeritasVR Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    VeritasVR wrote: »
    I think the law will act more as a deterrant to companies to stop the unfair pay, not actually encourage more lawsuits like the opponents are saying.
    Either of those are awesome outcomes. One way, people aren't getting screwed. The other way, the people who screwed other people are paying for it.

    Win/win.

    Exactly. Which is why the opponents (read: GOP) fail at simple logic.

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  • ForarForar #432 Already prepping for Toronto Fan Expo!Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Please excuse my ignorance as a filthy Canadian... but is that a painting of Lincoln in the OP pic?

    Because if it is, it strikes me as a wonderfully powerful shot; having him overlooking a meeting involving the first black president.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Forar wrote: »
    Please excuse my ignorance as a filthy Canadian... but is that a painting of Lincoln in the OP pic?

    Because if it is, it strikes me as a wonderfully powerful shot; having him overlooking a meeting involving the first black president.

    It is. There's a painting of Washington over the fireplace. Which is basically true for all Presidencies, though the particular painting of each may change.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Forar wrote: »
    Please excuse my ignorance as a filthy Canadian... but is that a painting of Lincoln in the OP pic?

    Because if it is, it strikes me as a wonderfully powerful shot; having him overlooking a meeting involving the first black president.
    That's a portrait of Lincoln, yes.

    I'm not familiar with the process of selecting that sort of thing, or if there are specific portraits that always hang in specific places.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Please excuse my ignorance as a filthy Canadian... but is that a painting of Lincoln in the OP pic?

    Because if it is, it strikes me as a wonderfully powerful shot; having him overlooking a meeting involving the first black president.
    That's a portrait of Lincoln, yes.

    I'm not familiar with the process of selecting that sort of thing, or if there are specific portraits that always hang in specific places.

    In the Oval Office it's up to the individual President, though Obama hasn't chosen new ones yet and Bush picked Washington and Lincoln. Presumably Lincoln would be staying put anyway. Otherwise some are (I think) permanently in certain rooms. Like the Roosevelt Room I think always had both Roosevelts and TR's Nobel Peace Prize.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Is the stimulus bill being debated in the Senate today, and if not, then when?

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    So stimulus package is being worked on in the senate, Ledbetter is signed (yay!), there are still a few outstanding appointments...

    Anyone know what else is being worked on right now?

    Edit for Hakkekage: I think it is going to be debated next week.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I thought it was approved..? With 100% republican rejection? Maybe I was just reading highlights or something.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    SCHIP is also in the Senate currently. House is in recess til the 2nd. Holder confirmation I think scheduled for Monday.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth veni, veneri, vamoosi Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Day 9 - Take Off Your Tie and Jacket
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  • Professor PhobosProfessor Phobos Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    urahonky wrote: »
    I thought it was approved..? With 100% republican rejection? Maybe I was just reading highlights or something.

    House passed it. Now it's going to the Senate, where changes will no doubt be made, kicked back to the House, etc. It'll be a few weks at the earliest before the package will actually be passed.

    We'll have to see if Senate Republicans are as loyal as House Republicans because it's 59 to 41...

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