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We're pimps and killers, but in a philanthropic way. [Dollhouse, Whedon spoilers]

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I want an episode where Topher accidentally downloads the naughty schoolgirl personality into one of the male Dolls, then falls unconscious due to some virus going around the house so no one can erase him for a few hours. Hilarity ensues. Bonus points if the doll ends up locked in a room with DeWitt.

    (Seriously, an 'oops, wrong imprint' episode is begging to be made).

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    You know I was worried about fox canceling Dollhouse and SCCT, until I looked at their slate of pilots for next year.

    REINCARNATIONIST
    what's it about?]
    drama focuses on investigators who try to resolve their clients' current woes by solving the mysteries encountered in their previous lives

    Fuck "investigators". I'm so sick of investigation type shows. I grew out of that shit when I realized every fucking crime was the result of Old Man Weatherby in a crappy mask.

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    EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    You know I was worried about fox canceling Dollhouse and SCCT, until I looked at their slate of pilots for next year.

    REINCARNATIONIST
    what's it about?]
    drama focuses on investigators who try to resolve their clients' current woes by solving the mysteries encountered in their previous lives

    Fuck "investigators". I'm so sick of investigation type shows. I grew out of that shit when I realized every fucking crime was the result of Old Man Weatherby in a crappy mask.

    Yeah, I'm tired of the LawandOrderNCISCSI virus, including the "investigator has wacky quirk/personality disorder" variant. Castle's my one exception, and that's because it's Mal/Captain Hammer. When was the last successful scripted series on the big four that doesn't match that description?

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    OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    One more for the "fuck procedurals" bandwagon.

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    Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    Hey, hey. There's nothing wrong with procedurals. I'm currently writing the pilot script for one as we speak. She's a hard nosed detective whose years on the force has left her jaded. He's an upbeat soul who always tries to inject humour in to life. This fall, the unlikely pair of Detective Alexandra Morgan and Blinky the Clown solve crimes in... Red Handed.

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    Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    You know I was worried about fox canceling Dollhouse and SCCT, until I looked at their slate of pilots for next year.

    REINCARNATIONIST
    what's it about?]
    drama focuses on investigators who try to resolve their clients' current woes by solving the mysteries encountered in their previous lives

    Fuck "investigators". I'm so sick of investigation type shows. I grew out of that shit when I realized every fucking crime was the result of Old Man Weatherby in a crappy mask.

    Yeah, I'm tired of the LawandOrderNCISCSI virus, including the "investigator has wacky quirk/personality disorder" variant. Castle's my one exception, and that's because it's Mal/Captain Hammer. When was the last successful scripted series on the big four that doesn't match that description?

    The only remaining ones standing seem to be Lost, Heroes, and Desperate Housewives - Lost is done after next season, Heroes is hemorrhaging viewers and may also be dead after next year unless it can turn it around, and I don't know anything about Desperate Housewives (I guess it's still popular?). Every new attempt for non-"case of the week" drama isn't doing so hot (Terminator, Dollhouse, Kings).

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    AstraphobiaAstraphobia Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! Root! Sleep! Death!Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    GungHo wrote: »
    midgetspy wrote: »
    Rook wrote: »
    Is it wrong that I just now realized that Sierra is (sounds) British?
    Yes, it is wrong, mostly as she doesn't sound British at all. She sounds Australian.
    Because she *is* Australian.
    Wow, so you think she knows Arnold Schwarzenegger?

    I don't know Austrasia is a big place.

    Wotwot chap.. put a shrimp on DER GRILLENPLATZENMAKENSTRASSEN.

    And here I thought I was decent at determining accents.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    Hey, hey. There's nothing wrong with procedurals. I'm currently writing the pilot script for one as we speak. She's a hard nosed detective whose years on the force has left her jaded. He's an upbeat soul who always tries to inject humour in to life. This fall, the unlikely pair of Detective Alexandra Morgan and Blinky the Clown solve crimes in... Red Handed.

    You're not doing it right. The clown's name needs to be Redd, so you can call it Redd Handed.

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    BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Hey, hey. There's nothing wrong with procedurals. I'm currently writing the pilot script for one as we speak. She's a hard nosed detective whose years on the force has left her jaded. He's an upbeat soul who always tries to inject humour in to life. This fall, the unlikely pair of Detective Alexandra Morgan and Blinky the Clown solve crimes in... Red Handed.

    You're not doing it right. The clown's name needs to be Redd, so you can call it Redd Handed.
    I was thinking it should be called "Last Laugh" but apparently some jerks used that title for a movie a few years ago.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    Bama wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Hey, hey. There's nothing wrong with procedurals. I'm currently writing the pilot script for one as we speak. She's a hard nosed detective whose years on the force has left her jaded. He's an upbeat soul who always tries to inject humour in to life. This fall, the unlikely pair of Detective Alexandra Morgan and Blinky the Clown solve crimes in... Red Handed.

    You're not doing it right. The clown's name needs to be Redd, so you can call it Redd Handed.
    I was thinking it should be called "Last Laugh" but apparently some jerks used that title for a movie a few years ago.

    That would be a bad name, but not nearly bad enough for a new series. It must either be such a terrible and heavy-handed play on words that simply glancing sidelong at the name will cause your cerebellum to rupture, or it must just be the name of the main character.

    So.

    "Redd Handed" (oh shit my cerebelgmaughurglurgle)

    or "Morgan"

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I wonder if part of the problem (and why we see so many crime dramas) is that while ratings remain high, it's probably not the same people watching from week to week, and with crime dramas you don't really have to watch every week. Sure you'll have a bit of "Why is spunky investigator's boss such an asshole?" that might have been answered if you saw another episode somewhere, but these shows are all interchangeable. You can watch Law and Order one week, CSI the next and aside from not knowing the backstories of the investigators, it doesn't affect the show.

    It's not like you can watch a random episode of dollhouse - it's a show that requires you to watch it every week. You can't just watch it one week and come back a few later. It's less "oh, this time they're solving a robbery instead of a murder" and more "hey I thought this show was about a spunky backup dancer, but she's actually the porn-hating wife of an internet guy?"

    Which, if you're an executive is terrible. You actually want revolving viewership, because it means a larger number of people are seeing the ads. Why doesn't Fox care about Hulu ratings? Because even if you've watched every episode since it started, you tuned out Direct Relief International weeks ago.

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    OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Serialized shows can still be successful, it's just getting rarer and rarer, is the problem. Look at 24, for instance--if there's a show you don't want to jump into in the middle of a season, it's that one. Yet it's still very successful, ratings-wise. By contrast, Dollhouse is much easier to get into... there's still a big barrier to entry compared to episodic procedurals, but each episode so far has done a fair job with exposition, so that you can have a general idea of what's going on even if you haven't seen it before.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OremLK wrote: »
    Serialized shows can still be successful, it's just getting rarer and rarer, is the problem. Look at 24, for instance--if there's a show you don't want to jump into in the middle of a season, it's that one. Yet it's still very successful, ratings-wise. By contrast, Dollhouse is much easier to get into... there's still a big barrier to entry compared to episodic procedurals, but each episode so far has done a fair job with exposition, so that you can have a general idea of what's going on even if you haven't seen it before.

    Yeah, at this point at least you can jump into Dollhouse with nothing more than a quick skim of the wikipedia page, or probably not even that much (which is the point of "previously on" intros). Whereas the "previously on" intro to 24 is a waste of screen time, because there's no fucking way you can jump into the middle of a season of 24. Hell, I'd argue you can't even watch a season from the beginning without a thorough reading of the wikipedia page. I wonder, however, if this will change with Dollhouse if it goes on for more than a season or so.

    The only other shows I watch that fall in this category would probably be Lost (another one that would be hard to jump into without completely catching up), Supernatural, and Damages. Obviously there have been others in the past, but really such shows are the minority on television.

    Note that I'm not including shows like House or Life, because those shows can easily be watched for an episode here and there without deep backstory. They aren't nearly as good without the backstory (especially the latter), but it's not absolutely necessary. Still, I separate even these from shows like Law and Order where there is little to no plot between episodes tying the series together.

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    RandomEngyRandomEngy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    About the latest episode:
    When the reset actives first appear in the main area, you see Topher leaning on the railing at the topmost level, looking out as if he's surveying his domain. This establishes why Echo/Caroline identified him as the guy in charge when grilling him.

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    EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Bama wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Hey, hey. There's nothing wrong with procedurals. I'm currently writing the pilot script for one as we speak. She's a hard nosed detective whose years on the force has left her jaded. He's an upbeat soul who always tries to inject humour in to life. This fall, the unlikely pair of Detective Alexandra Morgan and Blinky the Clown solve crimes in... Red Handed.

    You're not doing it right. The clown's name needs to be Redd, so you can call it Redd Handed.
    I was thinking it should be called "Last Laugh" but apparently some jerks used that title for a movie a few years ago.

    No, no. They only investigate murders, so the title can be "Die Laughing." Or maybe there's an entire division of clown investigators, and you can call it CSI: Clown Scene Investigation. Best of all, the entire division only needs one police car!

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    BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The first spin-off could be CSI: Mime-ami.


    don't worry, I'll show myself out

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Law & Order: Mime and Punishment

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    mcdermott, I think you're underestimating the use of those "Previously Ons". It's not just about comforting new viewers, it's about refreshing the memories of established audiences. Especially for shit like Lost, where the number of layers in the toilet paper Desmond wipes his ass with in Season 2 can have far-reaching ramifications across the entire arc of Season 6.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Law & Order: Mime and Punishment

    Law & Order: Mime and PUNishment and the guy likes to make bad puns.

    Also, the main characters are Robert Law and Chase Order.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Law & Order: Mime and Punishment

    Law & Order: Mime and PUNishment and the guy likes to make bad puns.

    Also, the main characters are Robert Law and Chase Order.
    Robert is a nationalized French immigrant who was forced out of mime school in disgrace, Chase is a surly NYC native who moonlights as a failing stand up comic.

    The captain is played by Gerrard De Pardue.

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Watching serialized shows on tv is painful to do. Nothing gets resolved and they keep the mystery going for the whole season and it's hard to watch. Plus the one week wait between episodes doesn't help.It's great to watch those serials on DVD, but even then they can stretch things out too much. Season 5 of Buffy does this a lot with Glory and her search for the key. Every once in a while I want a monster of the week episode to feel some conclusion or some real conclusion in the episodes.

    If Dollhouse works with several short story arcs per season I would prefer that. Right now it feels like they have resolved the rising personalities, with the longer arc of Ballard discovering the dollhouse being the larger focus of the season. I still love Heroes, but I don't care to watch it until it's finished anymore because they keep introducing new shit without resolving the older stuff.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    mcdermott, I think you're underestimating the use of those "Previously Ons". It's not just about comforting new viewers, it's about refreshing the memories of established audiences. Especially for shit like Lost, where the number of layers in the toilet paper Desmond wipes his ass with in Season 2 can have far-reaching ramifications across the entire arc of Season 6.

    That's more a testament to the absurdity that is Lost than the utility of recap intros.

    I don't remember the last time I was watching something like Battlestar Galactica or Supernatural and something happened that the average audience member who had watched the rest of the series would not have remembered the context of. Hell, I figured that's the reason that most DVD boxed sets go ahead and remove that crap.

    Those recaps are only necessary if your show has a habit of expecting audience members to remember minute and seemingly irrelevant (at the time) details from the past.

    You know, like Lost.
    Fuck you, Lost! Why did you have to make me love you?!

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    Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Season 1 DVD and Blu-Ray due July 28th:

    http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Dollhouse-Season-1/11651
    Yesterday we let you know that Amazon.com is already taking advance pre-orders for Dollhouse - Season 1, which is coming later this year to both DVD and high-def Blu-ray Disc. Amazon didn't list any details, though...not even the release date. But our industry friends have graced us today with a nice amount of information about these releases!

    Expect the DVD and Blu-ray versions to arrive day-and-date on July 28th (well-timed for fanfare at the annual San Diego Comic Con). The pricing we gave you yesterday, of $49.98 SRP for the standard DVD (4 discs) and $69.99 SRP for the high-def Blu-ray (3 discs), has been confirmed. Running time is 694 minutes for 13 episodes. We've confirmed that both versions will also have the Original Unaired Pilot Episode, "Echo".

    Other bonus material, apparently available on both DVD and Blu-ray, include Audio Commentary with the Cast and Crew, Deleted Scenes, and Featurettes titled "Making Dollhouse," "Coming Back Home," "Finding Echo," "Designing the Perfect Dollhouse," "Mind Games," "An Urban Myth?" and "A Private Engagement". Video on the DVD will be anamorphic widescreen, with English 5.1 Dolby Surround audio. Vidoe on the Blu-ray will be 1080p high definition widescreen, with English 5.1 DTS HD Master Audio. French and Spanish subtitles are also available. Package art isn't available yet, but stay tuned!

    Really interested in seeing the original pilot.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    I am so buying that.

    I will buy it so hard.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I am so Instaflixing that.

    I will Instaflix it so hard.

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    "An Urban Myth?"

    I bet this is basically 15 minutes of the "man on the street" part of "Man on the Street". A chance for Whedonstaff to basically explore all of the social implications of the show's concept outside of the framework. Could be interesting, could be humorous, but it could also be preachy. Still looking forward to it, though.

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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Season 1 DVD and Blu-Ray due July 28th:

    http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Dollhouse-Season-1/11651
    Yesterday we let you know that Amazon.com is already taking advance pre-orders for Dollhouse - Season 1, which is coming later this year to both DVD and high-def Blu-ray Disc. Amazon didn't list any details, though...not even the release date. But our industry friends have graced us today with a nice amount of information about these releases!

    Expect the DVD and Blu-ray versions to arrive day-and-date on July 28th (well-timed for fanfare at the annual San Diego Comic Con). The pricing we gave you yesterday, of $49.98 SRP for the standard DVD (4 discs) and $69.99 SRP for the high-def Blu-ray (3 discs), has been confirmed. Running time is 694 minutes for 13 episodes. We've confirmed that both versions will also have the Original Unaired Pilot Episode, "Echo".

    Other bonus material, apparently available on both DVD and Blu-ray, include Audio Commentary with the Cast and Crew, Deleted Scenes, and Featurettes titled "Making Dollhouse," "Coming Back Home," "Finding Echo," "Designing the Perfect Dollhouse," "Mind Games," "An Urban Myth?" and "A Private Engagement". Video on the DVD will be anamorphic widescreen, with English 5.1 Dolby Surround audio. Vidoe on the Blu-ray will be 1080p high definition widescreen, with English 5.1 DTS HD Master Audio. French and Spanish subtitles are also available. Package art isn't available yet, but stay tuned!

    Really interested in seeing the original pilot.



    I may just subscribe to Netflix just for this.

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    OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Apparently FOX just put out some press releases listing the date for the Dollhouse season finale as a week earlier than expected, and descriptions listing the twelfth episode, "Omega", as the season finale.

    Fuck.

    Maybe it's just a mistake and they still plan to air all 13?

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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OremLK wrote: »
    Apparently FOX just put out some press releases listing the date for the Dollhouse season finale as a week earlier than expected, and descriptions listing the twelfth episode, "Omega", as the season finale.

    Fuck.

    Maybe it's just a mistake and they still plan to air all 13?

    I also read that episode 8 was supposed to be the one where Sierra and Echo play "spy detector."

    So maybe.

    They were supposed to run all 13.

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    DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OremLK wrote: »
    Apparently FOX just put out some press releases listing the date for the Dollhouse season finale as a week earlier than expected, and descriptions listing the twelfth episode, "Omega", as the season finale.

    Fuck.

    Maybe it's just a mistake and they still plan to air all 13?

    On a tangential note, I can't be the only one looking at the title "Omega" and assuming it must be an episode about Alpha.

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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    OremLK wrote: »
    Apparently FOX just put out some press releases listing the date for the Dollhouse season finale as a week earlier than expected, and descriptions listing the twelfth episode, "Omega", as the season finale.

    Fuck.

    Maybe it's just a mistake and they still plan to air all 13?

    On a tangential note, I can't be the only one looking at the title "Omega" and assuming it must be an episode about Alpha.


    I... I don't get it.

    [tiny]Yes I do.[/tiny]

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    OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    OremLK wrote: »
    Apparently FOX just put out some press releases listing the date for the Dollhouse season finale as a week earlier than expected, and descriptions listing the twelfth episode, "Omega", as the season finale.

    Fuck.

    Maybe it's just a mistake and they still plan to air all 13?

    On a tangential note, I can't be the only one looking at the title "Omega" and assuming it must be an episode about Alpha.

    Supposedly (vague spoilers)
    It is the episode that more or less resolves the Alpha story arc, with the 13th episode being more of an epilogue of some kind.

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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OremLK wrote: »
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    OremLK wrote: »
    Apparently FOX just put out some press releases listing the date for the Dollhouse season finale as a week earlier than expected, and descriptions listing the twelfth episode, "Omega", as the season finale.

    Fuck.

    Maybe it's just a mistake and they still plan to air all 13?

    On a tangential note, I can't be the only one looking at the title "Omega" and assuming it must be an episode about Alpha.

    Supposedly (vague spoilers)
    It is the episode that more or less resolves the Alpha story arc, with the 13th episode being more of an epilogue of some kind.

    If Omega is the episode where shit happens,


    Then maybe, maybe I can understand and possibly even abide by the decision to make it the season finale.


    But I highly doubt that I would.

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    CantideCantide Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    According to tvbythenumbers, Fox is deliberately not airing the series finale for Prison Break, making the DVDs the only way to watch it. They're probably doing the same thing with Dollhouse.

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    OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited April 2009

    If Omega is the episode where shit happens,


    Then maybe, maybe I can understand and possibly even abide by the decision to make it the season finale.


    But I highly doubt that I would.


    On the other hand, maybe it's like Buffy season 4 and then we'd be missing Dollhouse's "Restless".

    Which would suck, because "Restless" was great. Best dream episode ever.

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    EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Cantide wrote: »
    According to tvbythenumbers, Fox is deliberately not airing the series finale for Prison Break, making the DVDs the only way to watch it. They're probably doing the same thing with Dollhouse.

    What.

    The Fuck.

    Assholes.

    :(

    That makes me angry.

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    OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The situation with Prison Break is different though. FOX is airing all the episodes they ordered. It's the production company (20th Century Fox) that produced an extra series finale to wrap things up, which is going on the DVD set.

    I have a hard time buying that FOX would not show Dollhouse's thirteenth episode for the sake of the DVD earnings, which don't go to them, they go to the 20th Century. Unless they're doing it as part of a deal with 20th Century to bring back the show and split the production cost.

    Other possibilities include: It's a mistake, and episode 13 will indeed air. Or, FOX looked at Dollhouse's declining ratings and figured whatever they have in the wings (Mental? Whatever that is) would do better, so they took the opportunity to get it off the air a week early.

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    Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Cantide wrote: »
    According to tvbythenumbers, Fox is deliberately not airing the series finale for Prison Break, making the DVDs the only way to watch it. They're probably doing the same thing with Dollhouse.

    This random crap they're pulling is the kinda of downward spiral that reminds me of the last few weeks of the McCain Campaign.

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    EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OremLK wrote: »
    The situation with Prison Break is different though. FOX is airing all the episodes they ordered. It's the production company (20th Century Fox) that produced an extra series finale to wrap things up, which is going on the DVD set.

    Well, that makes me slightly less angry, but I'm still annoyed. Why the hell did they produce an extra episode, I wonder?

    Still, back on topic, they better treat Dollhouse well, at least until the thirteenth episode is shown. I'd like another season, but I don't entirely expect it. I do expect the full first season, since dammit, I don't want any of this canceled mid-season bullshit.

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    OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm still wondering if Whedon has an ace in the hole with 20th Century. As far as I know they have a good relationship and he always seems to deliver good earners in the home video department. I don't know how much pull he has with them or whether they'd be willing to step in on his behalf and help DH get renewed, but I'm hanging onto that wild hope.

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