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We're pimps and killers, but in a philanthropic way. [Dollhouse, Whedon spoilers]

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  • EddieDeanEddieDean Registered User
    edited April 2009
    mcdermott wrote: »
    After this episode I'm convinced this is going to play out like a meta-Whedon-show.

    Where I finally let go and fall deeply in love with the show, then it's killed horribly in front of me.

    Well played, Joss.


    EDIT: It's actually hard to remember the Dollhouse of the first few episodes, the one that was "kinda okay" and "I guess I'll keep watching."

    Haha, good point.

    One Whedon character loves another Whedon character, then one dies.
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  • LacroixLacroix Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Noo! My favourite chaacter!

    ---> I realise i'm probably the only one here who felt that, but still. I felt like I 'got' him, and understood his motivations much more than Boyd, who as has been pointed out, is looking more and more like the real mole after this episode.

    I was a Dominic/DeWitt shipper already and whilst i'm glad the issue was adressed that there was something there, i'd have liked to have seen more hints of that.

    Liking the crazy obsessive Ballard. He still feels like a walking cliche at times, but i do like him. Loving the fact that they are just breaking him so hard, it'll to be interesting to see who he turns into.

    So, new fave characters need to have a space and now there are so many! When the series began, evebn five weeks in it was like 'well i don't really know these characters' and now I even like Echo! Not Caroline mind you, but the Echo we are seeing now is quite interesting.

    I will buy the DVD set, but I don't know how often I can sit through episodes 2-4 (I actually thought the pilot wasnt too bad, and liked the cult leader ep... though not as much as the awesome that the show has now become)

    Sorry for the brainfart of a post, but its been a while since TV did this to me. BSG could on occasion, but really there hasnt been many episodes of a TV show that have felt quite as intense as this weeks Dollhouse.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    Yeah, this show is now fantastic. I think I like it more than Firefly.

    So I guess it's doomed.

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  • SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Are the ratings for last night up yet?

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  • NorthNorth Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Spoiler:

    Something else I noticed, I watched it on tv instead of the internet and they said something about a dollhouse episode coming in two weeks. I don't know if they were just previewing an episode two weeks out or if they changed the schedule on it and they are only playing new episodes every two weeks now but it seems strange to me.

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The magic of TVguide.com says....

    Prisonbreak is premiering with two hour long episodes. It appears that it will lead in to Dollhouse from now on.

    Though the 8 o'clock one is a repeat.... I think it's a continuing drama so that might make some sense but still...weird.

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  • areaarea Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    From over here.
    Speaking of Dollhouse, the cancellation clock continues to click, with a mere 3.56 million viewers (#4 and tied with lead-in Sarah Connor) and a 1.4/ 4 among adults 18-49 (#3) at 9 p.m. Sorry Dollhouse fans…the future just does not look good.

    Putting it in the nice little table that's been running through the thread:

    Episode 1 - 4.8 million, 2.0 in 18-49 demo.
    Episode 2 - 4.3 million, 1.7 in 18-49 demo. 5% share.
    Episode 3 - 4.2 million, 1.6 in 18-49 demo. 5% share.
    Episode 4 - 3.5 million, 1.5 in 18-49 demo, 5% share.
    Episode 5 - 4.3 million, 1.6 in 18-49 demo, 5% share.
    Episode 6 - 4.1 million, 1.5 in 18-49 demo, 5% share.
    Episode 7 - 3.9 million, 1.4 in 18-49 demo, 4% share.
    Episode 8 - 3.5 million, 1.4 in 18-49 demo, 5% share.
    Episode 9 - 3.6 million, 1.4 in 18-49 demo, 4% share.

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  • EmonkEmonk __BANNED USERS
    edited April 2009
    I'm going to spoiler all this just in case:

    Spoiler:

    My tiny brain boggles with all these questions.

  • SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Im gonna go out on a limb here. I think the mole is a sleeper active with the person's normal identity as the dominant mode, programmed to sneak in and reprogram Topher's stuff without them even knowing it. In other words, I think the mole is somebody who was captured by Alpha and he just kept their normal personality but put in a sleeper condition where they go and mess with the programming every once in a while.

    Edit: Also, those ratings are depressing. This is what happens when you put a good show in the Friday night death slot. It DIES.

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  • EmonkEmonk __BANNED USERS
    edited April 2009
    You're probably right. I don't think it can be anybody who is totally obvious.

  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Ok yeah that episode was really good.

  • ThetherooThetheroo Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Oh God, I love this show so much.

    I loved the way they flipped around with the actives, it made the episode a hundred times cooler.

  • piLpiL Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I think I know a character dying soon.
    Spoiler:



    Still crossing my fingers on the folowing:

    Dominic's right, and Echo does go insane, killing a couple of named characters and a ton of redshirts
    Spoiler:

    No actual spy, but actives passing around the spy role

    The Dollhouse exists, not for it's philanthropic part, but not for some evil take over the world thing either. True motive of the Dollhouse? To build up a powerful enough network to fight off second, more powerful enemy, the __________.

  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    piL wrote: »
    I think I know a character dying soon.
    Spoiler:



    Still crossing my fingers on the folowing:

    Dominic's right, and Echo does go insane, killing a couple of named characters and a ton of redshirts
    Spoiler:

    No actual spy, but actives passing around the spy role

    The Dollhouse exists, not for it's philanthropic part, but not for some evil take over the world thing either. True motive of the Dollhouse? To build up a powerful enough network to fight off second, more powerful enemy, the __________.

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  • StarcrossStarcross Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    DeWitt doesn't seem at all concerned about Echo's potential Alpha-ing. She just seems to blow off everyones warnings about it. I'm starting to think she maybe wants a composite incident for some reason.

  • MagellMagell Sphinx! Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Alpha's composite was bad because he had 'default' ninja skills, which Echo doesn't. Plus a composite isn't neccessarily bad.

    I want the real mole to turn out as Dr. Saunders, but it seems too obvious for that to happen. Of course there is the chance that since it's the obvious choice so it can't be, that it will be. I can't picture Boyd as the mole, it just doesn't feel right.

    Millie revealing to Ballard that she was a doll was an awesome moment. Perfectly played and very painful for the characters.

    The latest episode was great with characters developing, and the plot moving along well. Switching from imprint to imprint was a great choice for this episode.

  • DVGDVG Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    It occurs to me, that the solution to their security woes, at least most of them, would be solved by making every employee in the Dollhouse a doll. Wiped, reprinted with their own personality plus a loyalty clause.

    Of course, I'm not complaining. If they did that the show would probably suck :)

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  • EmonkEmonk __BANNED USERS
    edited April 2009
    It occurs to me that maybe they are.

  • Element BrianElement Brian Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This show is Amazingly Fantastic. I wish they had put a little more into Ballard's emotion of finding out about Mellie, but still, the situation is so fantastically dark and twisted now. Hes on a mission to save people like Mellie, especially from people he sees as perverts who exploit them for sex, and NOW what does he have to do? He has to sleep with her and basically exploit her in order to keep the charade up. Its such a great plot.

    I like the idea of the carbonation in your pop being too much for your mormon body

    too worldly nooooo
  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Emonk wrote: »
    It occurs to me that maybe they are.
    Spoiler:

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  • Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Emonk wrote: »
    Is it okay to like this show now?

    Because I think it's getting really fucking good.
    After that massive disappointment and subsequent black hole of entertainment that the BSG finale gave me, Dollhouse has replaced it now as my go-to Friday night show. I'm not prepared yet to say that it's the best show on TV or anything, but it might just become that at this rate. Which will only make the inevitable cancellation worse.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    We were talking about this before and I think Doll imprints are just too limited to really function effectively as heads of something like this. They aren't well-rounded enough and can't react well enough to any situation.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    Emonk wrote: »
    It occurs to me that maybe they are.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    We were talking about this before and I think Doll imprints are just too limited to really function effectively as heads of something like this. They aren't well-rounded enough and can't react well enough to any situation.

    unless they are Echo

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  • wazillawazilla Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    Emonk wrote: »
    It occurs to me that maybe they are.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:
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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    wazilla wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    Emonk wrote: »
    It occurs to me that maybe they are.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. On Hiatus!

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  • David_TDavid_T Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Emonk wrote: »
    It occurs to me that maybe they are.

    But "Echoes" showed who aren't Dolls by how they reacted to the drug.
    Spoiler:

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  • wazillawazilla Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Spoiler:
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  • MagellMagell Sphinx! Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    It's either strongly implied or flat out stated that Echo isn't a typical doll with her continued rememberances of her past, which I'm pretty sure were caused by the poison she drank in the second episode, which I think Alpha was the cause of.

    I know others have said this before, but I really hate the opening credits for this show. Buffy, Angel, and Firefly had me right away. The song is lame, and the video isn't that interesting, and I dislike how I'm not introduced to who the actors play with their name.

    I also refuse to fear the cancellation of the show. I'm going to enjoy it while it's here and if it doesn't last that's too bad, but that fear won't stop me from enjoying what I do get.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    wazilla wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. On Hiatus!

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    wazilla wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:
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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Tamin wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    wazilla wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. On Hiatus!

    Any gamers in the Danville, PA area? PM me if you're interested in some tabletop gaming.
  • EmonkEmonk __BANNED USERS
    edited April 2009
    Whoa.

    I wasn't being serious folks.

  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The employees aren't dolls. They weren't wiped when they heard Alpha's noise, and they reacted normally to the drug.

    They aren't Dolls. Move on.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Magell wrote: »
    I know others have said this before, but I really hate the opening credits for this show. Buffy, Angel, and Firefly had me right away. The song is lame, and the video isn't that interesting, and I dislike how I'm not introduced to who the actors play with their name.

    Am I the only one who LIKES the theme song for the show? I quite enjoy it.

  • Element BrianElement Brian Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    I know others have said this before, but I really hate the opening credits for this show. Buffy, Angel, and Firefly had me right away. The song is lame, and the video isn't that interesting, and I dislike how I'm not introduced to who the actors play with their name.

    Am I the only one who LIKES the theme song for the show? I quite enjoy it.

    First of all, yea I do like the theme song for the show, especially the little riff at the very end.

    Second, dude liked the Firefly theme? Buffy and especially Angel, hell yea of course, but "Take my love, take my laaaaaaaaand"? Come on...

    Oh and haven't we already been over the whole, Joss Whedon specifically said that he wont have everyone turn out to be dolls?

    I mean, somethings he had to keep underwraps like Victor and Mellie being dolls, but, we've already had 2 employees being killed or put in the attic, both of whome we know for a fact wern't dolls. One of them was a handler, the other the near 2nd in command. I'm pretty sure we can assume everyone else inbetween meets the same standard.

    I like the idea of the carbonation in your pop being too much for your mormon body

    too worldly nooooo
  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm fairly easy, I suppose. I've liked all of Whedon's theme songs.

  • LacroixLacroix Registered User
    edited April 2009
    TWOP RECAPLET:
    the scene ends with Echo dangling him out a window over some cheesy looking blue screen.

    --> forgot about that.... so much for 'The Dollhouse is underground' which I thought had been confirmed by now.

  • DelzhandDelzhand motivated battle programmerRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    I know others have said this before, but I really hate the opening credits for this show. Buffy, Angel, and Firefly had me right away. The song is lame, and the video isn't that interesting, and I dislike how I'm not introduced to who the actors play with their name.

    Am I the only one who LIKES the theme song for the show? I quite enjoy it.

    I like it, but the original version with lyrics is terrible, probably because the best part of the theme version is the tinkling chimes at the end.
    piL wrote: »
    I think I know a character dying soon.
    Spoiler:

    Yeah, I turned to my wife and just said "this guy is a redshirt."

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  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Lacroix wrote: »
    TWOP RECAPLET:
    the scene ends with Echo dangling him out a window over some cheesy looking blue screen.

    --> forgot about that.... so much for 'The Dollhouse is underground' which I thought had been confirmed by now.

    The dollhouse is underground. DeWitt's office isn't and never has been.


    Remember the SUV room. They drive up. The Dolls are kept underground.

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