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Confederate Heritage

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    i hear the KKK were burning crosses before the civil war.... they used time machines....

    Read a history book. Slavery continued to exist after the Civil War. Or you can just make more bullshit jokes to show that you don't really know what you're talking about. Your choice.
    Duffel wrote: »
    Spoiler:
    The KKK (don't know about crossburning) didn't exist until after the war was over. It was formed with the intention of oppressing freed slaves and had nothing to do with maintaining the slave system.

    Slavery was undoubtedly evil, but I don't know if I would use 'terrorism' as a means to describe its perpetuation. It would be more accurate to say that the ruling authorities in slave areas were simply inhumanly brutal. Cruelty and disregard for human rights does not equal terrorism, which (I thought) was the use of violence to achieve some political/religious/whatever/ goal - usually by a non-state actor.
    Actually, the idea behind the KKK was to terrorize blacks so that they would willingly return to being slaves. It also served to intimidate former slaves (though, in all actuality, they still were slaves) from running off from their plantations or trying to flee to territories which were complying with Lincoln's orders to free the slaves. Slavery didn't just magically end after the Civil War like a lot of people think. I'm not saying you hold this view, but many do seem to think that the war ended and then all the slave owners were like, "well shit... Off ya go n***ers, you're free to roam wild plains now." A lot of people also don't seem to realize that there were free blacks in the South that also owned slaves. Not many by any means, but there were some. There were also white slaves. And guess what? Not all slaves were unwittingly snatched up from Africa by white men. Most were sold to the Europeans (primarily the Dutch) by rivaling African tribes.

    wow, you don't get it do you. cross burning wasn't introduced until 1915..... you are fucking wrong and need to check your facts. the original clan was only active for about 2 years and was mostly just a bunch of disorganized groups doing random acts of violence.

    Who needed the Klan when you had randomly organized white mobs to lynch uppity negroes and riot through black communities? Then you had the vigilante groups that were the forebears of the Klan that waged campaigns of intimidation against blacks and Northerners.

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  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Who needed the Klan when you had randomly organized white mobs to lynch uppity negroes and riot through black communities? Then you had the vigilante groups that were the forebears of the Klan that waged campaigns of intimidation against blacks and Northerners.

    Yup. Lynchings never happened in the North. Racism also doesn't exist up there.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    chasm wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Who needed the Klan when you had randomly organized white mobs to lynch uppity negroes and riot through black communities? Then you had the vigilante groups that were the forebears of the Klan that waged campaigns of intimidation against blacks and Northerners.

    Yup. Lynchings never happened in the North. Racism also doesn't exist up there.

    :?:
    Relevance?

  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    chasm wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Who needed the Klan when you had randomly organized white mobs to lynch uppity negroes and riot through black communities? Then you had the vigilante groups that were the forebears of the Klan that waged campaigns of intimidation against blacks and Northerners.

    Yup. Lynchings never happened in the North. Racism also doesn't exist up there.

    This negates what I said how? Oh that's right, it doesn't. Just because bad things were happening up north doesn't mean atrocious shit wasn't happening in the south. And we're talking about the Confederacy, which was the South, so stop trying to change the fucking subject.

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  • DuffelDuffel Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    What are we talking about now? Trucker hats and NASCAR or literature, music and the like? They're not the same thing.
    The literature and music are pretty awesome. Plus I love the food. Can't get enough of barbecue.

    Just don't like the social atmosphere. It seems that everything positive is harder to implement in the South. And the freaking Bible Belt. My view is a bit skewed though since it comes mostly from TV and internet. The big cities probably aren't all that different from the North, and rural areas suck everywhere.
    Southern Lit is awesome (Faulkner woo) but I can't stand southern food. If it's not fried and/or pork you're probably not getting it.

    Also some stuff is considered 'Southern' that really has no right to be - like the KY Derby. It's in Louisville, which about as southern as St. Louis.

  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Funny how, being born and raised down here, I may have a pretty decent idea of what sucks and what's good about the south. Southern cooking/soul food? Great. Pride in the Confederacy? Bad. Southern hospitality? Awesome. People making dim excuses for still flying the Confederate flag? Retarded. Feel free to contradict me though.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Funny how, being born and raised down here, I may have a pretty decent idea of what sucks and what's good about the south. Southern cooking/soul food? Great. Pride in the Confederacy? Bad. Southern hospitality? Awesome. People making dim excuses for still flying the Confederate flag? Retarded. Feel free to contradict me though.

    i'd much rather just let you have your opinion while shaking my head at the generalizations.

  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    So is white pride wrong but black pride okay ooorr?
    Are you like seven? The god damn KKK has less transparent and more sophisticated arguments than this now.
    chasm wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Who needed the Klan when you had randomly organized white mobs to lynch uppity negroes and riot through black communities? Then you had the vigilante groups that were the forebears of the Klan that waged campaigns of intimidation against blacks and Northerners.

    Yup. Lynchings never happened in the North. Racism also doesn't exist up there.

    Actually no. They essentially didn't. And strawmen suck donkey dick.

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  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    According to that list, Massachusetts didn't have anything happen and Missiouri is more equal than I thought!

  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Funny how, being born and raised down here, I may have a pretty decent idea of what sucks and what's good about the south. Southern cooking/soul food? Great. Pride in the Confederacy? Bad. Southern hospitality? Awesome. People making dim excuses for still flying the Confederate flag? Retarded. Feel free to contradict me though.

    i'd much rather just let you have your opinion while shaking my head at the generalizations.

    I think "the Confederacy sucked and being proud of it is nonsensical" and "the Confederate Flag is a symbol of terrible shit, who with any sense wants to be associated with it" are pretty decent generalizations. I don't, however, think those generalizations are applicable to the majority of Southerners.

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  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    According to that list, Massachusetts didn't have anything happen and Missiouri is more equal than I thought!

    Yeah when New England has two total lynchings during that time and both are of white guys, I feel fairly justified in saying lynchings essentially didn't happen in the North

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    When he dies, I hope they write "Worst Affirmative Action Hire, EVER" on his grave. His corpse should be trolled.
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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Funny how, being born and raised down here, I may have a pretty decent idea of what sucks and what's good about the south. Southern cooking/soul food? Great. Pride in the Confederacy? Bad. Southern hospitality? Awesome. People making dim excuses for still flying the Confederate flag? Retarded. Feel free to contradict me though.

    i'd much rather just let you have your opinion while shaking my head at the generalizations.

    I think "the Confederacy sucked and being proud of it is nonsensical" and "the Confederate Flag is a symbol of terrible shit, who with any sense wants to be associated with it" are pretty decent generalizations. I don't, however, think those generalizations are applicable to the majority of Southerners.

    your opinion. im not gonna waste time trying to change it, you are pretty set in the confederate = evil, terrorist, traitor, slave owners, rapists and murderers....

  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    According to that list, Massachusetts didn't have anything happen and Missiouri is more equal than I thought!

    Yeah when New England has two total lynchings during that time and both are of white guys, I feel fairly justified in saying lynchings essentially didn't happen in the North

    Well that's a bit unfair because New England, at the time, did include Connecticut and New York.

    But it's more unfair because the Union was bigger than New England.

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    There's a key towards the bottom middle to explain the colors.

  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    So is white pride wrong but black pride okay ooorr?
    Are you like seven? The god damn KKK has less transparent and more sophisticated arguments than this now.
    chasm wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Who needed the Klan when you had randomly organized white mobs to lynch uppity negroes and riot through black communities? Then you had the vigilante groups that were the forebears of the Klan that waged campaigns of intimidation against blacks and Northerners.

    Yup. Lynchings never happened in the North. Racism also doesn't exist up there.

    Actually no. They essentially didn't. And strawmen suck donkey dick.

    ...wow. 91% of all lynchings have happened in the South. o_O

    I had no idea that the difference was that huge.

  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I love how these arguments always turn out.

    roland even though you are just living life until ragnarok

    us mortals have to deal
  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Funny how, being born and raised down here, I may have a pretty decent idea of what sucks and what's good about the south. Southern cooking/soul food? Great. Pride in the Confederacy? Bad. Southern hospitality? Awesome. People making dim excuses for still flying the Confederate flag? Retarded. Feel free to contradict me though.

    i'd much rather just let you have your opinion while shaking my head at the generalizations.

    I think "the Confederacy sucked and being proud of it is nonsensical" and "the Confederate Flag is a symbol of terrible shit, who with any sense wants to be associated with it" are pretty decent generalizations. I don't, however, think those generalizations are applicable to the majority of Southerners.

    your opinion. im not gonna waste time trying to change it, you are pretty set in the confederate = evil, terrorist, traitor, slave owners, rapists and murderers....

    Good idea. Trying to change the opinion of a black dude about the goodness (or lack thereof) of the Confederacy isn't a good use of anyone's time. I like how you castigate me for having unreasonable opinions, then don't even assign the proper opinions to me. For the record, people who supported the Confederacy certainly were traitors to the United States and enablers of slavery or slave owners. Murderers and rapists, sure, a small percentage of Confederates were. Terrorists? Absolutely, if they were involved in violence used to intimidate slaves and black people in the South. And I can't think of one good thing that happened thanks to the Confederacy. As for evil, a lot was done in the Confederacy and in the Confederacy's name, but I generally hesitate to call anyone evil. It's such a nebulous term that it tends to have very little useful meaning.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax Bondage Discipline Spider-Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I think we need to be a little bit clearer about whether we are talking about the modern South (which in general is a shithole, but generalizations are not good descriptors of specific people) and the Confederacy. Also, I still disagree that the Confederacy was a terrorist organization, but that's a disagreement over semantics, rather than any qualitative difference how how much they sucked.

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    roland even though you are just living life until ragnarok

    us mortals have to deal
  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Nah, not much bitterness towards them. It might be because they didn't spend the subsequent 500 years grinding black people under their boot. Incidentally, this is probably why throwing out the whole "well Africans sold other Africans to the white slavers" is a poor way to deflect the conversation about American slavery and the actions of white people in perpetuating the institution.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Oh I'm sure he's positively thrilled about the existence of African tribal warfare--can't get enough of it. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid thing to say.

  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Hachface wrote: »
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Oh I'm sure he's positively thrilled about the existence of African tribal warfare--can't get enough of it. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid thing to say.

    I hadn't really considered that angle, but now that I do, I feel even less bitterness. It's not like living in Africa is generally all that awesome, and many parts of the continent are still suffering the effects of tribal politics. Besides, they got it as badly, if not worse, from white people than American blacks did. I think the African slavers and their ancestors have probably paid their karmic debt by now, with interest.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Also slavery as practiced in Africa was really a whole different thing from slavery as it developed in the New World. It's been a long time since I studied this, but IIRC African slavery was not always perpetual and generally did not extend to a slave's children.

  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Hachface wrote: »
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Oh I'm sure he's positively thrilled about the existence of African tribal warfare--can't get enough of it. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid thing to say.

    Besides that, the slavery practiced in the Americas (and maybe Europe and Exodus) was unique, in that no other group made slavery heritable or racial, so that the Africans were actually selling the slaves under the assumption that it'd only last for ten years tops, an assumption that the Europeans quickly decided not to honor.

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  • BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    So is this just clever politics? Or self-loathing black men?
    Spoiler:

    Seems like a compromise that isn't the worst thing in the world. But is the senator a racist? I'll let you decide.

    He's retarded. Confederate Memorial Day? There's a freaking Confederate Memorial Day now?

    What part of they were traitors who fought to keep slavery U.S. doesn't understand? I seriously don't know any other country that would honor a treasonous faction that tried to secede from the rest of the country like this. The Finnish Civil War certainly is as far from being a thing of pride as possible. And nobody tried to keep their right to perform a horrible crime against humanity on that one.

    In addition to the Confederates being traitors, do we really need separate paid holidays for every specific war? Why not one for WWI or the War of 1812? We already have a day for every American soldier who ever died - Memorial Day. Maybe I'll hit up Vegas for the long weekend on Barbary Wars Memorial Day.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Six pack on a dick Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Oh I'm sure he's positively thrilled about the existence of African tribal warfare--can't get enough of it. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid thing to say.

    Besides that, the slavery practiced in the Americas (and maybe Europe and Exodus) was unique, in that no other group made slavery heritable or racial, so that the Africans were actually selling the slaves under the assumption that it'd only last for ten years tops, an assumption that the Europeans quickly decided not to honor.
    You could argue that the caste system in India, which predates American slavery, is a very similar kind of system.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    You could argue that the caste system in India, which predates American slavery, is a very similar kind of system.

    Maybe you could, but that would even be more irrelevant.

    Edit: Also I don't think that Brahmins could actually buy and sell untouchables. Maybe they could, I'm no expert.

  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Six pack on a dick Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Hachface wrote: »
    You could argue that the caste system in India, which predates American slavery, is a very similar kind of system.

    Maybe you could, but that would even be more irrelevant.
    The point was that this type of slavery was not unique.

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Oh I'm sure he's positively thrilled about the existence of African tribal warfare--can't get enough of it. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid thing to say.

    I hadn't really considered that angle, but now that I do, I feel even less bitterness. It's not like living in Africa is generally all that awesome, and many parts of the continent are still suffering the effects of tribal politics. Besides, they got it as badly, if not worse, from white people than American blacks did. I think the African slavers and their ancestors have probably paid their karmic debt by now, with interest.

    Well, the reason I even bother to bring it up in these conversations is because I love how the north/south slave debate totally gets recycled over and over while the Native Americans (to whom I have heritage in more than one strain) got fucked a lot more by the American people as a whole, but nobody gives a shit.

    roland even though you are just living life until ragnarok

    us mortals have to deal
  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Oh I'm sure he's positively thrilled about the existence of African tribal warfare--can't get enough of it. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid thing to say.

    Besides that, the slavery practiced in the Americas (and maybe Europe and Exodus) was unique, in that no other group made slavery heritable or racial, so that the Africans were actually selling the slaves under the assumption that it'd only last for ten years tops, an assumption that the Europeans quickly decided not to honor.

    You really think that the African kings were such suckers that some Europeans came by and said "We're going to buy these people from you, and take them across the ocean, but we'll totally let them go, honest" and they believed them, and didn't figure it out even after none of them came back for two hundred years?

  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Oh I'm sure he's positively thrilled about the existence of African tribal warfare--can't get enough of it. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid thing to say.

    I hadn't really considered that angle, but now that I do, I feel even less bitterness. It's not like living in Africa is generally all that awesome, and many parts of the continent are still suffering the effects of tribal politics. Besides, they got it as badly, if not worse, from white people than American blacks did. I think the African slavers and their ancestors have probably paid their karmic debt by now, with interest.

    Well, the reason I even bother to bring it up in these conversations is because I love how the north/south slave debate totally gets recycled over and over while the Native Americans (to whom I have heritage in more than one strain) got fucked a lot more by the American people as a whole, but nobody gives a shit.

    what you 'brought up' has nothing to do with american indian policy.

    arguably the two were of equal badness.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Oh I'm sure he's positively thrilled about the existence of African tribal warfare--can't get enough of it. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid thing to say.

    Besides that, the slavery practiced in the Americas (and maybe Europe and Exodus) was unique, in that no other group made slavery heritable or racial, so that the Africans were actually selling the slaves under the assumption that it'd only last for ten years tops, an assumption that the Europeans quickly decided not to honor.

    You really think that the African kings were such suckers that some Europeans came by and said "We're going to buy these people from you, and take them across the ocean, but we'll totally let them go, honest" and they believed them, and didn't figure it out even after none of them came back for two hundred years?

    I think being under the yoke of European colonialism may have distracted them a little.

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Oh I'm sure he's positively thrilled about the existence of African tribal warfare--can't get enough of it. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid thing to say.

    Besides that, the slavery practiced in the Americas (and maybe Europe and Exodus) was unique, in that no other group made slavery heritable or racial, so that the Africans were actually selling the slaves under the assumption that it'd only last for ten years tops, an assumption that the Europeans quickly decided not to honor.

    You really think that the African kings were such suckers that some Europeans came by and said "We're going to buy these people from you, and take them across the ocean, but we'll totally let them go, honest" and they believed them, and didn't figure it out even after none of them came back for two hundred years?

    I think being under the yoke of European colonialism may have distracted them a little.

    European colonialism in africa didn't take off until after the slave trade was pretty much dead. Even as late as 1800 the europeans only had basically trading posts and bases along the coast. It was not until methods were developed for fighting malaria and tropical diseases that entire nations were brought under colonial rule, for the most part in the 1840s-1900s.

  • ElkiElki GOBS OF PUKE!!! YES!!!!!!!Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Funny how, being born and raised down here, I may have a pretty decent idea of what sucks and what's good about the south. Southern cooking/soul food? Great. Pride in the Confederacy? Bad. Southern hospitality? Awesome. People making dim excuses for still flying the Confederate flag? Retarded. Feel free to contradict me though.

    i'd much rather just let you have your opinion while shaking my head at the generalizations.

    I think "the Confederacy sucked and being proud of it is nonsensical" and "the Confederate Flag is a symbol of terrible shit, who with any sense wants to be associated with it" are pretty decent generalizations. I don't, however, think those generalizations are applicable to the majority of Southerners.

    your opinion. im not gonna waste time trying to change it, you are pretty set in the confederate = evil, terrorist, traitor, slave owners, rapists and murderers....

    If you're too above the discussion to engage, you're free to not post.

  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    There must've been a Not My Problem field over west Africa. Seriously, if you look closer at the way African slavers operated, you'll find that they obtained slaves through conquest, kidnapping, or trade, and the slaves were almost always from enemy tribes. I doubt that they were all that concerned with what would eventually happen to their enemies after they'd sold them off.

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  • ElkiElki GOBS OF PUKE!!! YES!!!!!!!Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    I'm more curious if he's still as bitter towards the African people that originally conquered, captured and sold the remaining living as slaves as he is to the southern american traitors (who were descendants of the English traitors from Great Britian) that subsequently bought, used as farm animals, and often resold them.

    Oh I'm sure he's positively thrilled about the existence of African tribal warfare--can't get enough of it. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid thing to say.

    Besides that, the slavery practiced in the Americas (and maybe Europe and Exodus) was unique, in that no other group made slavery heritable or racial, so that the Africans were actually selling the slaves under the assumption that it'd only last for ten years tops, an assumption that the Europeans quickly decided not to honor.

    You really think that the African kings were such suckers that some Europeans came by and said "We're going to buy these people from you, and take them across the ocean, but we'll totally let them go, honest" and they believed them, and didn't figure it out even after none of them came back for two hundred years?

    And that's why it's OK to fly the Confederate flag.

  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Elki wrote: »
    And that's why it's OK to fly the Confederate flag.

    A classic line of reasoning use in such all time favorites as "And that's why it's OK to be racist" and "And that's why slavery wasn't that bad." From the makers of "It doesn't count if you're in Another State" and "Just this Once" Rationalizations Inc

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  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    You gotta love the "Well, other people did it too, so that makes it okay!" reasoning. Oh, and the old classic "How dare you accuse these people of wrongdoings without bringing up every other person who has done something bad ever! HYPOCRITE!!"

    Which is of course completely relevant to the discussion, yes siree!

  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    According to that list, Massachusetts didn't have anything happen and Missiouri is more equal than I thought!

    Yeah when New England has two total lynchings during that time and both are of white guys, I feel fairly justified in saying lynchings essentially didn't happen in the North

    Hey to be fair other States had their own methods of prejudice.

    For instance here in good ol' California we basically just focused on Asians and Latinos.

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    You gotta love the "Well, other people did it too, so that makes it okay!" reasoning. Oh, and the old classic "How dare you accuse these people of wrongdoings without bringing up every other person who has done something bad ever! HYPOCRITE!!"

    Which is of course completely relevant to the discussion, yes siree!

    This is in the same vein as "Hitler had a Jewish grandparent", right?

    When he dies, I hope they write "Worst Affirmative Action Hire, EVER" on his grave. His corpse should be trolled.
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