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Ah, education. And I'd STILL be fucked if I didn't study theatre (thee-Ater) and have diction classes.
And yet I've never heard it used in a singular manner. The "all" implies a group.
Y'all need to learn you some slang, I tell you what. (that was to everyone in the thread. Note the "you"s used to address a plural)
True, but if you told shipping companies, "Quit using 18-wheelers!" I think they'd be pissed. And let's not assume I mean humans and trucks are equal, it's just the main mode of labor.
the all in that all y'all was silent
Actually the majority of southerners did not own slaves only the rich did. The economic failure after the war was in large part due to the war itself as the south was held to pay for the war effort of both the North AND the south.
Blacks picked cotton before the war and after. Forcing them to pay the slaves sweatshop prices after the war did not really change the cost of production. Especially because the owners no longer had to feed, cloth, and house their workers anymore.
Im not saying the war was not fought over slavery. It certinly was. But the common people were told the north was going to come and rape their women and let blacks marry their sisters. That is why the poor southerners fought. They could care less about slaves. They didnt have any.
It's still government. Shitty government, but government. How often do we know of big changes happening but they're recommended to us?
I mean, don't get me wrong, the abolition of slavery was inevitable. But the South was the North's biggest welfare recipient as it was, so for them to pretend they weren't going to get any help is pretty disingenuous. Furthermore, pretending that the South's only two options were "free every slave right that second" or "secede from the Union" is ridiculously disingenuous; the Republican party may have been abolitionists, but no one was expecting them to free the slaves the very second they took power. The South wanted to protect the institution of slavery for slavery's own sake, in addition to protecting it as part of their economy (not that protecting as part of their economy makes it okay, either). The real problem was that the end of slavery would mean the end of the sharecropping/plantation system, and the end of Southern aristocracy. And the Southern aristocrats didn't want that to happen.
And most Northerners didn't go that far, including Lincoln. Realizing the inherent problems in the Southern economy - their cast crops destroyed the soil and so more land was always required - most Northerners realized that without unfettered expansion the "peculiar institution" would die out. And that's most directly what the Confederacy was born of - not even a fear that the North would abolish slavery but the idea that they wouldn't be able to continue to expand slavery into federal territory without any restriction or that the Territories would be able to prohibit slavery.
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Lincoln was pretty intent on going to war though.
Pretty true, they knew shit was gonna hit the fan and really didn't do anything about it.
It functions superbly as both the beginning and the end of a sentence.
"That's a buncha shit is what it is I tell you what."
"I tell you what; let's get after it when I finish my beer"
Whut.
Are you suggesting that slaves had photosynthesis?
All ending slavery would do is make the fabulously rich assholes merely very rich assholes who didn't get to beat people as much.
hmmm. this is bullet-proof.
if I were to shout 'this is personal' right before I shot the president, then it wouldn't be an assasination!
even if i was really doing it to uphold the institution of slavery.
It's really easy now, with our modern sensibilities an all, to condemn the Confederacy. But, that's just the way shit was back then. Who here is gonna condemn Thomas Jefferson to the realm of uber-douche cuz he owned slaves? He was a great man, but slavery wasn't considered evil in his time. It was a social norm and, right or wrong, that shit was legit. Lincoln thought that, while they shouldn't be enslaved, blacks were a class of sub-humans. And he was a fucking progressive.
Give the Confederacy a break. They weren't fighting on the side of evil, they were fighting to maintain the status-quo. It just turned out that the status wasn't quo.
That doesn't excuse modern day dudes who wave Old Dixie (is that what it's called?)
And they didn't attack "the north". They attacked a fort in territory that, due to their secession, now belonged to them.
What I'm upset by are people that think that the Confederacy had it fucking right and they want to bring it back or hold it up as a paragon of sticking it to big, mean governments.
America is a land of traitors and invaders. Doesn't make further treason and invasion right.
"So did you!" is not valid.
That means that they're ignorant to what it means. What's so difficult about this?
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I mean, we can argue that the secession was legal and all, but I certainly don't agree that it was. Explain to me how their assertion that they weren't part of the US any longer was in some way a binding mandate that allowed them to simply take federal territory/goods and kick people off of it as they wished.
And proceeded to start the war, hence they were traitors to the United States. Yes, even though they said they were a different country. Just because they declared themselves a new nation didn't make it so.
All day every day. Checking out at a gas station? "Have a nice day y'all." Going to Kohl's? "Y'all come for the sales?" Buying cigars from the liquor store? "Y'all gonna get cancer."
Same...principles...what...the...fuck...is...going...on... D:
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What, are you saying the South had no representation in government? Or that, since they were going to be overruled by the majority of Congress, they were justified? That's the way representative Democracy works. You don't just start shooting because you don't get your way. Same principles my ass.
And get this through your head: the Confederacy wasn't a legitimate country. They lost their bid for freedom from the United States so they were, at best, a breakaway territory.
Read my earlier post about education and upbringing and see why calling them ignorant is incorrect.
Bullshit. I've lived in Georgia for most of my life. Ignorance, no matter why, is not a fucking excuse.
Yeah, this probably happened because their interests were the right to own black people.
Jesus, is the only reason these people aren't defending the Nazi Party because they aren't German? The flag of Confederacy is the official symbol of the goverment that tried to keep slavery. That is it. That is it's meaning. You can give it other meanings, but they don't mean any more then me calling a spoon duck. Nothing else. Displaying the flag of Confederacy is either racist, or ignorant. Nothing fucking else. You can't fight against this argument without also agreeing that displaying the Nazi Flag is okay if you just call it something else.