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Resident Evil Five and Racism

CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
edited February 2009 in Games and Technology
I think this deserves its own thread. A mod can lock it if not.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/resident-evil-5-hands-on-chapter1to3?page=3
There's also the spectre of the old racism debate, hovering the background. That debate is only going to get louder and more urgent once the game is released, and is being covered beyond the cosy world of the specialist gaming press, since there's imagery in here that goes beyond the general air of foreign menace that caused a ruckus in the first trailers.

One of the first things you see in the game, seconds after taking control of Chris Redfield, is a gang of African men brutally beating something in a sack. Animal or human, it's never revealed, but these are not infected Majini. There are no red bloodshot eyes. These are ordinary Africans, who stop and stare at you menacingly as you approach. Since the Majini are not undead corpses, and are capable of driving vehicles, handling weapons and even using guns, it makes the line between the infected monsters and African civilians uncomfortably vague. Where Africans are concerned, the game seems to be suggesting, bloodthirsty savagery just comes with the territory.
'Resident Evil 5' Screenshot 5

Later on, there's a cut-scene of a white blonde woman being dragged off, screaming, by black men. When you attempt to rescue her, she's been turned and must be killed. If this has any relevance to the story it's not apparent in the first three chapters, and it plays so blatantly into the old clichés of the dangerous "dark continent" and the primitive lust of its inhabitants that you'd swear the game was written in the 1920s. That Sheva neatly fits the approved Hollywood model of the light-skinned black heroine, and talks more like Lara Croft than her thickly-accented foes, merely compounds the problem rather than easing it. There are even more outrageous and outdated images to be found later in the game, stuff that I was honestly surprised to see in 2009, but Capcom has specifically asked that details of these scenes remain under wraps for now, whether for these reasons we don't know.

There will be plenty of people who refuse to see anything untoward in this material. "It wasn't racist when the enemies were Spanish in Resident Evil 4," goes the argument, but then the Spanish don't have the baggage of being stereotyped as subhuman animals for the past two hundred years. It's perfectly possible to use Africa as the setting for a powerful and troubling horror story, but when you're applying the concept of people being turned into savage monsters onto an actual ethnic group that has long been misrepresented as savage monsters, it's hard to see how elements of race weren't going to be a factor.

All it will take is for one mainstream media outlet to show the heroic Chris Redfield stamping on the face of a black woman, splattering her skull, and the controversy over Manhunt 2 will seem quaint by comparison. If we're going to accept this sort of imagery in games then questions are going be asked, these questions will have merit, and we're going to need a more convincing answer than "lol it's just a game."
Capcom has to realize how much potential controversy this has. Regardless of whether it is intentional, it does seem to use racist imagery like Croal said.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    So racism against Spanish people is okay because they weren't treated like animals by white people?
    The Spanish people are a race now? The villagers were implied to have been perfectly normal people in an extremely rural area... with a large military base and a huge castle. Nobody accused RE4 of having a good plot. I think Spain is generally touchy about the inquisition and the dungeon might have used that kind of imagery. I don't see much else. I don't think many people have any stereotypes of Spanish people other than as speaking in funny accents, being sexy, and the inquisition.

  • XtarathXtarath Registered User
    edited February 2009
    So racism against Spanish people is okay because they weren't treated like animals by white people?


    Racism is fucking racism. There isn't any racism that is better than others. Oh, that Spanish guy with an axe sure is funny. Oh, ha ha, white people have flat asses and good credit. Oh, ha ha, what makes the red man red, indeed, Disney's Peter Pan. Don't come tell me RE5 is racist and ignore 50 Cent's game because it's the other way around.

    People need to stop being so upset by matters of race. Calling out everything that could be racist in some form is just another form of racism, you're still treating people differently because the color of their skin. These people wouldn't be getting upset if Chris was shooting white people, and THAT is actually racist.

    Quoting this so I don't repeat it in slightly diffrent words.

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Yeah, this isn't racism.

    It's a bunch of hack journalists wanting controversy where there is none.


    It's a horror game. Black/white/hispanic or whatever the villagers are going to be fucking creepy.

    scarab you have mental problems
  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Man you know what could have solved all this?

    If resident evil made their zombies fucking zombies seriously, they've been leeches, Plagas, nano-whosits... I loved RE4, but I kind of think it would have been cooler with actual rotting-flesh zombies powered by dark forces.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Yeah, this isn't racism.

    It's a bunch of hack journalists wanting controversy where there is none.


    It's a horror game. Black/white/hispanic or whatever the villagers are going to be fucking creepy.

    Actually N'Gai Croal is one of the most respected game journalists out there. When he talks, people listen.

    And sure, if you know the plot of the game you know it's not intended to be racist, but you expect people to take the time and learn the plot before reacting? Imagery is powerful, and it'll almost certainly overwhelm the context here.

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The game takes place in Africa. What do people expect the natives to look like? Purple? Green? I really don't think Capcom is one for blatant racism.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Yeah, this isn't racism.

    It's a bunch of hack journalists wanting controversy where there is none.


    It's a horror game. Black/white/hispanic or whatever the villagers are going to be fucking creepy.

    Croal is also a hack journalist?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1W6aPbZ9c&feature=related
    The game has spear chuckers wearing grass skirts at 2:30.

  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Man you know what could have solved all this?

    If resident evil made their zombies fucking zombies seriously, they've been leeches, Plagas, nano-whosits... I loved RE4, but I kind of think it would have been cooler with actual rotting-flesh zombies powered by dark forces.

    The pro-zombie movement is coming for you. You hate zombies and want to kill them? What about their rights?!You are worse then hitler.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Yeah, this isn't racism.

    It's a bunch of hack journalists wanting controversy where there is none.


    It's a horror game. Black/white/hispanic or whatever the villagers are going to be fucking creepy.

    Actually N'Gai Croal is one of the most respected game journalists out there. When he talks, people listen.

    And sure, if you know the plot of the game you know it's not intended to be racist, but you expect people to take the time and learn the plot before reacting? Imagery is powerful, and it'll almost certainly overwhelm the context here.

    The OP is not Croal.

    He had a similar article a while back that was against comments of racism, merely highlighting how some people might perceive it as racist imagery, but they shouldn't.

    I know who N'Gai is.

    scarab you have mental problems
  • XtarathXtarath Registered User
    edited February 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Yeah, this isn't racism.

    It's a bunch of hack journalists wanting controversy where there is none.


    It's a horror game. Black/white/hispanic or whatever the villagers are going to be fucking creepy.

    Croal is also a hack journalist?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1W6aPbZ9c&feature=related
    The game has spear chuckers wearing grass skirts at 2:30.



    So did Indiana Jones.

  • kriegskriegs Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Kagera wrote: »
    Is it racist if it actually happens?

    I mean, I'm pretty sure there's violence in Africa.

    Or, you know, anywhere humans are.

    Beat me to it. Hell, Manhunt was totally racist against white people, doing all that killing and whatnot. White people are so violent, clearly.
    Spoiler:

    This entire issue is ridiculous. As with every other game EVER that had a controversy like this, what is going to happen? Nothing. People will bitch and moan, but ultimately nothing will happen.

  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Echo wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    It almost certainly was intentional. Hollywood does this all the time. It's basically a concept known as 'but not too black'. In which you get some black characters with a really light skin tone, so they attract a black audience, without being too black that the white audience is turned off by them.
    Hey, if it works for the president...
    And no, I don't see the outrage when you're doing pretty much the same things as in RE4.
    As in, "the public didn't care with RE4, so they won't we RE5" or "if it was okay in RE4 it means it's okay in RE5" or what?

  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I don't know much about Africa, but I'm assuming that everyone else EXCEPT Africa is making a huge fuss about it. If it's true, I find it extremely amusing.

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  • CrazybearCrazybear Registered User
    edited February 2009
    I think we need to wait until the full game is out and all the scenes in the game have been viewed before passing too much judgement.

    I mean the article is hinting at some scenes later in the game that are really bad, but we have no idea what they are.

    But have we come to a point where someone can't produce a work of fiction that shows people of color in a negative light without people screaming racism? I mean, the game is set in Africa, there are black people in Africa, hence the bad guys just might happen to be black. And yes, the main character is going to have to kill them as part of the game.

    So what is the answer? Never set any kind of game in Africa ever?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I have a friend who I talk with about this sort of stuff, who is black. Obviously since I'm white it's really hard to know how it would feel for that sort of thing. I mean, 99% of all games the bad guys that I shoot are normally white. Now here comes this game that introduces people from Africa and we have to shoot them as a white character.

    My friend said it shouldn't be a big deal overall, but it will probably end up that way. He played the demo with me and said it was a little odd at first because he's never really played a game where he's shooting other black people. But really, it's a moot point. Because if they would have colored their skin white, it would be the exact same game.

    But people will make a HUGE deal out of this issue and Capcom will get hurt by it I'm sure.

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'm calling it now: Resident Evil 6 to feature Muslim/Arab Not-Zombies and the final boss is Mohammad. That's probably the only way Capcom tops the fervor over RE5.

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  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Shoot the white Africans, that's the way to go.

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  • wasted pixelswasted pixels Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The trouble here is that everybody involved -- from your typical PAer to N'Gai Croal -- can recognize that there's no actual racist intent in any of this, but it's still causing controversy because of "how it looks". Nobody is saying "this is bad because it is racist", it's always "this is bad because it could be mistakenly perceived as racist by people less familiar with the source material".

    That's a motherfucker of a slippery slope right there.

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  • DusT_HounDDusT_HounD Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    "One of the first things you see in the game, seconds after taking control of Chris Redfield, is a gang of African men brutally beating something in a sack. Animal or human, it's never revealed, but these are not infected Majini. There are no red bloodshot eyes. These are ordinary Africans, who stop and stare at you menacingly as you approach. Since the Majini are not undead corpses, and are capable of driving vehicles, handling weapons and even using guns, it makes the line between the infected monsters and African civilians uncomfortably vague. Where Africans are concerned, the game seems to be suggesting, bloodthirsty savagery just comes with the territory."

    Er, didn't the villagers at the start of RE4 seem pretty normal, staring menacingly at you, using weapons and driving vehicles? I thought they only broke out with the redeye after dark?

    Or would that just upset the whole argument?

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Yeah, this isn't racism.

    It's a bunch of hack journalists wanting controversy where there is none.


    It's a horror game. Black/white/hispanic or whatever the villagers are going to be fucking creepy.

    Actually N'Gai Croal is one of the most respected game journalists out there. When he talks, people listen.

    And sure, if you know the plot of the game you know it's not intended to be racist, but you expect people to take the time and learn the plot before reacting? Imagery is powerful, and it'll almost certainly overwhelm the context here.

    The OP is not Croal.

    He had a similar article a while back that was against comments of racism, merely highlighting how some people might perceive it as racist imagery, but they shouldn't.

    I know who N'Gai is.
    http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/04/10/newsweeks-ngai-croal-on-the-resident-evil-5-trailer-this-imagery-has-a-history/
    I think, again, the point is not that Capcom can’t or shouldn’t make a zombie game set in what appears to be an impoverished country where the majority of residents are black. I’m not saying that. But what I am saying is that if I was Capcom, I wouldn’t have suggested to put out that trailer. I would have said, “You know what, this has tremendous capacity for being misunderstood, and we want to signal that this is not what you might think it is” — and they didn’t do that. That’s what I’m saying.
    “This imagery has a history. It has a history and you can’t pretend otherwise.”

    It’s like when you engage that kind of imagery you have to be careful with it. It would be like saying you were going to do some sort of zombie movie that appeared to be set in Europe in the 1940’s with skinny, emaciated, Hasidic-looking people. If you put up that imagery people would be saying, “Are you crazy?” Well, that’s what this stuff looks like. This imagery has a history. It has a history and you can’t pretend otherwise. That imagery still has a history that has to be engaged, that has to be understood. If you’re going to tread, if you’re going to engage imagery that has that potential, the onus is on the creator to be aware of that because there will be repercussions in the marketplace.

    I don’t know how Capcom feels about it. I think releasing that game is going to be very difficult. I think there are people and organizations who aren’t very understanding of games that if that imagery is brought to them they’re going to be like, “Wait, hold up. I don’t know how you could put that out.” Then you have to say, “Does Wal-Mart want to deal with that? Does Target want to deal with that?” I’m not saying that censorship is the answer. I’m saying that the same rights that allow Capcom to put the game out are the same rights that allow people to bring pressure on people who might release that game. This is why it is important to whoever works in the American office of a company like Capcom to be able to show this is the history, this is where this comes from, this is where we need to be more sensitive. I’m not sure they’ve done that yet.
    He doesn't say it is racist, but he does say it has a history, and they should be very careful not to offend people.

  • HyperionHyperion Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    this is stupid.

    No, it's really not. The fact is, this is a valid point, and even if YOU don't think so, the fact that enough people have voiced their concerns means that it merits discussion.

    The difference between this and, say, the Mass Effect alien sex controversy, is WHY people are offended by it. In the ME case, it was more of a "think of the children!" argument, where people had a problem with the supposed prurient interest factor. It turned out to be nil, and anyone who thought differently had very obviously not played the game. The fact that the RE controversy is coming from people who have played it (or at least the offending parts enough to describe them adequately) gives their arguments much more weight, IMHO. Plus, the fact of the matter is that race is still a huge deal in the US (Obama's election didn't magically solve that problem). Think of it this way: people were outraged last weekend when, during the Superbowl, some Comcast stations accidentally cut to 30 seconds of porn during the 4th quarter. Were people pissed? Sure. Now, if instead of porn, they had cut to a tape of a bunch of white guys violently beating on a black guy, do you think there would be more outrage, or less?

    Capcom has always been an interesting company to me, as their games have very much kept the Japanese flavor long after many others have either gone out of business or abandoned it. Hell, Dead Rising was chock full of characters that were very obviously grotesque parodies of American archetypes; that whole game, to me, felt like I was looking at America through foreign eyes. The fact that they might have somewhat missed the boat on this issue isn't surprising, but I do think it's worth discussing. And the plain truth of it is, if games are ever to be taken seriously as an art form, then these discussions are completely and utterly necessary.

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User
    edited February 2009
    I can understand the thing about grass skirts and spears.... that's a little bit much.

    when someone is in a sack getting beaten, in the context and time period of the game, and the turmoil in Africa, it's a realistic event that is meant to add to the environment and immersion.

    Grass skirts and spears? I don't know so much about that. How likely would that be if you were in Africa today? I really don't know.

  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    It's going to be on local news first, then it'll spread like wildfire. I can guarantee it. The clip will show Chris curb stomping a not-zombie, but you can't see that his eyes aren't red so it looks like it's just a black dude. Then they'll show the clip from American History X (great movie) then that'll be it. Blogs will be written.

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  • FoodFood Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    When I played the demo I only shot the white zombies. Because I'm not a racist!

  • kriegskriegs Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    urahonky wrote: »
    I have a friend who I talk with about this sort of stuff, who is black. Obviously since I'm white it's really hard to know how it would feel for that sort of thing. I mean, 99% of all games the bad guys that I shoot are normally white. Now here comes this game that introduces people from Africa and we have to shoot them as a white character.

    My friend said it shouldn't be a big deal overall, but it will probably end up that way. He played the demo with me and said it was a little odd at first because he's never really played a game where he's shooting other black people. But really, it's a moot point. Because if they would have colored their skin white, it would be the exact same game.

    But people will make a HUGE deal out of this issue and Capcom will get hurt by it I'm sure.

    Your friend actually notices that kinds of stuff? I just shoot at the things that are going to rip my friggin' face off, regardless of color/(alien)race they're supposed to be.

    I'm glad I can immerse myself to the point where it doesn't even matter.

  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    urahonky wrote: »
    It's going to be on local news first, then it'll spread like wildfire. I can guarantee it. The clip will show Chris curb stomping a not-zombie, but you can't see that his eyes aren't red so it looks like it's just a black dude. Then they'll show the clip from American History X (great movie) then that'll be it. Blogs will be written.
    ...wouldn't his eyes not being red mean he's just a black dude?

  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    To counteract this Capcom needs to release a Dolomite game.

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  • mystic_knightmystic_knight Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    So racism against Spanish people is okay because they weren't treated like animals by white people?
    The Spanish people are a race now? The villagers were implied to have been perfectly normal people in an extremely rural area... with a large military base and a huge castle. Nobody accused RE4 of having a good plot. I think Spain is generally touchy about the inquisition and the dungeon might have used that kind of imagery. I don't see much else. I don't think many people have any stereotypes of Spanish people other than as speaking in funny accents, being sexy, and the inquisition.

    Hispanic is a race, yes. I just don't see how murdering police officers and burning them on pitchforks is more offensive than some Africans kicking a bag with an unknown animal in it.

  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User
    edited February 2009
    Glal wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    It's going to be on local news first, then it'll spread like wildfire. I can guarantee it. The clip will show Chris curb stomping a not-zombie, but you can't see that his eyes aren't red so it looks like it's just a black dude. Then they'll show the clip from American History X (great movie) then that'll be it. Blogs will be written.
    ...wouldn't his eyes not being red mean he's just a black dude?

    That's what he means, yeah.
    unknown animal in it.

    Or person. I mean, he COULD be white right? We don't know.

    If that was the case, if it was a white person, it would be okay and it wouldn't be racism and everyone could go home. I hope it's a white guy in the sack.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    So did Indiana Jones.
    There are actually a decent amount of relatively isolated indigenous groups in Peru. There is probably a reason why they didn't set that scene in Africa.

  • pslong9pslong9 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I would have bolded other parts of the article as what I consider to be the problem.
    Since the Majini are not undead corpses, and are capable of driving vehicles, handling weapons and even using guns, it makes the line between the infected monsters and African civilians uncomfortably vague. Where Africans are concerned, the game seems to be suggesting, bloodthirsty savagery just comes with the territory...

    It's perfectly possible to use Africa as the setting for a powerful and troubling horror story, but when you're applying the concept of people being turned into savage monsters onto an actual ethnic group that has long been misrepresented as savage monsters, it's hard to see how elements of race weren't going to be a factor.

    The problem is not "OMG a white guy is killing black guys!!!" It's that they've played into a lot of the racist stereotypes that we've been trying to get rid of for a long time. From the impressions that I've read, the biggest problem is that the Africans are never really shown to be human, but are always depicted as evil and animalistic, which are the exact same views that persisted in Europe during colonial times. If Capcom had portrayed these guys as more human at first, and then you saw more of the transformation, that would be one thing. But that doesn't appear to be the case.

    Like the article said, it's not impossible to use Africa as a setting for a survival horror game like this, but you have to be careful with how you treat it due to the way that Americans and Europeans treated Africans for hundreds of years. Capcom didn't do that, and it'll likely cause a firestorm in the media thanks to the popularity of the franchise.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    edited February 2009
    The trouble here is that everybody involved -- from your typical PAer to N'Gai Croal -- can recognize that there's no actual racist intent in any of this, but it's still causing controversy because of "how it looks". Nobody is saying "this is bad because it is racist", it's always "this is bad because it could be mistakenly perceived as racist by people less familiar with the source material".

    That's a motherfucker of a slippery slope right there.

    That's because the only people aware of the game right now are those looking forward to it. Day fucking one, I guarantee you, some soccer mom is going to pick it up for her 8-year-old, take it home, watch 30 seconds, and then call her local news station.

    I have a feeling the fervor over this is not going to be anywhere in the same fucking league as Mass Effect sex or even GTA. You and I know it's likely not intended to be racist, but you and I also know Mass Effect wasn't an alien-lesbian-sex simulator, but that's exactly how the media talked about it.

    I'm not one normally prone to slippery slope issues like this, but I think I'll be picking this up day 1 as a precaution. I can honestly see this one getting pulled from shelves over the potential perfect shit-storm.

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    No one had a problem with the last four games where the overwhelming majority of infected zombies were white/Spanish what have you.

    Dude, it's the friggen 21st century, America has a black President. It's time to move beyond this infantile liberal whiny bullshit.

    I understand the concern, many have, but that's what it should remain.

    Wake me when we're fighting the black/Jewish zombie conspiracy to get white southern teens pregnant.

  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    It's going to be on local news first, then it'll spread like wildfire. I can guarantee it. The clip will show Chris curb stomping a not-zombie, but you can't see that his eyes aren't red so it looks like it's just a black dude. Then they'll show the clip from American History X (great movie) then that'll be it. Blogs will be written.
    ...wouldn't his eyes not being red mean he's just a black dude?
    That's what he means, yeah.
    So what he's saying is "The clip will show Christ curb-stomping a black dude, but you can't see he's not a zombie, so it looks like it's just a black dude"?

  • LanrutconLanrutcon Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    ...old clichés of the dangerous "dark continent"...

    Kids, I hate to break it to you but most of modern day Africa is like that. I'm a young South African and not a day goes by that there isn't some fucked up barbaric frontpage or news report making the rounds. You want grown men raping babies because they believe it'll cure them of Aids? (thanks, rural myths!) You want angry mobs burning people to death? (because vigilante justice based on heresay is perfectly fine!). I'm not even gonna go into the fucking hell that is North Africa. It's the dark ages up there in a very real and very brutal way.

    Just fucking take my word for it: ignorant uneducated masses are every bit as dangerous as a fictional zombie horde.

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  • darleysamdarleysam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    pslong9 wrote: »
    I would have bolded other parts of the article as what I consider to be the problem.
    Since the Majini are not undead corpses, and are capable of driving vehicles, handling weapons and even using guns, it makes the line between the infected monsters and African civilians uncomfortably vague. Where Africans are concerned, the game seems to be suggesting, bloodthirsty savagery just comes with the territory...

    It's perfectly possible to use Africa as the setting for a powerful and troubling horror story, but when you're applying the concept of people being turned into savage monsters onto an actual ethnic group that has long been misrepresented as savage monsters, it's hard to see how elements of race weren't going to be a factor.

    The problem is not "OMG a white guy is killing black guys!!!" It's that they've played into a lot of the racist stereotypes that we've been trying to get rid of for a long time. From the impressions that I've read, the biggest problem is that the Africans are never really shown to be human, but are always depicted as evil and animalistic, which are the exact same views that persisted in Europe during colonial times. If Capcom had portrayed these guys as more human at first, and then you saw more of the transformation, that would be one thing. But that doesn't appear to be the case.

    Like the article said, it's not impossible to use Africa as a setting for a survival horror game like this, but you have to be careful with how you treat it due to the way that Americans and Europeans treated Africans for hundreds of years. Capcom didn't do that, and it'll likely cause a firestorm in the media thanks to the popularity of the franchise.

    This, basically.

  • darleysamdarleysam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Glal wrote: »
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    It's going to be on local news first, then it'll spread like wildfire. I can guarantee it. The clip will show Chris curb stomping a not-zombie, but you can't see that his eyes aren't red so it looks like it's just a black dude. Then they'll show the clip from American History X (great movie) then that'll be it. Blogs will be written.
    ...wouldn't his eyes not being red mean he's just a black dude?
    That's what he means, yeah.
    So what he's saying is "The clip will show Christ curb-stomping a black dude, but you can't see he's not a zombie, so it looks like it's just a black dude"?

    Hahahahaha, that would be worse.

  • NappuccinoNappuccino Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    You know, they wouldn't have had a single problem if they left all the "zombies" as Africans as long as the girl was a Native African herself and placed a positive light native Africans them.

    I don't know enough about the game to say for sure... but wasn't this what they did?

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User
    edited February 2009
    That's what I got from it, yeah.

  • apotheosapotheos Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited February 2009
    Karl wrote: »
    Well no one in spain got thier knickers in a twist about RE4 did they?

    By the end of the game I'd totally forgotten it was supposed to be set in Spain. I don't think this is a valid point.



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