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Octuplets & Being a single mother with 14 children.
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It's not an issue of "no husband" in order to fulfill the requirements of an invisible man in the sky. It's an issue of "no husband" with regard to: Who the fuck is going to pay for these little shits?
If she wants to have a lesbian mistress? Great. Fine. That's awesome. But right now she doesn't even have that. She has no financial resources.
Look, the birthrate has stuff-all to do with our population problem. That's solely centred on a massive drop in the death rate, particularly among the very young. Ranting about the number of children being born in a world where the average birth rate in most places is only barely past replacement is stupid. We're in a demographic bubble, and in a few decades things will settle out provided we don't all go nuts in one direction or another.
What 'little shits'? So you hate the kids too now?
Honestly, you are all coming off as the most judgemental small-minded busybodies I have ever seen.
Her very own village.
...the fuck? Its nice that you apparently live in a world where there's no such thing as accidental death or lethal diseases, but the rest of us here in realityland would like to point out that this post is ridiculous.
Have you no concern for the welfare of 14 children whose mother has no source of financial means to sustain them?
Mothers are rarely afforded that luxury, for some odd reason.
You don't - or are you sending them some money and nappies to help out?
Justify that statement. A child whose parents are killed by a drunk driver is an evolutionary failure?
I'm not really concerned about the birth rate. I merely noted that we don't NEED more children than are produced by those capable of reproduction on their own.
What we DO need is better population ratios. Our resources as a whole are out of whack, and that includes the ratio of children to guardians.
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Just an FYI: There's a reason I didn't respond to Math. Let's not let this thread get derailed from highly arguable into -absofuckinglutely crazy-.
All this and no doctor thought "wait, maybe I shouldn't put 8 embryos into this woman despite her wishes".
I need to go to med school and just start slapping motherfuckers.
Ethics and wisdom don't even factor into it.
Not all that far out of whack. For one thing, legalised abortion means a shitload less kids in care.
You're also ignoring a lot of demographic issues. Kids in care are disproportionately likely to be ethnic minorities, to be disabled in one way or another, and to be emotionally disturbed, whether as a result of being in care or from earlier in their lives. Most people flat out aren't capable of caring for the last two categories in particular, and there's nothing about the infertile that make them magically better parents.
I get that you'd like to get more kids adopted, but banning IVF is absolutely not an effective pathway.
And honestly, I don't really buy this 'concern for the kiddies' business. Yeah, they won't get the attention a kid in a 2-child household would. Yeah, the older ones probably won't have kids because they'll be helping raise the others. But they're not freakin' doomed. There's kids in smaller families everywhere that face far worse than sharing a bedroom.
I might have missed it...but have you addressed the "how the hell is a single mother going to pay for 14 kids" question?
All of the other issues are delightful to argue about. But, um, she doesn't have a job. She doesn't have a partner providing her with funds. So, what are these 14 kids going to eat for the next 18 years? Hugs, love, and insanity?
Ethics, morality, and demographics aside...what the fuck are these kids going to eat?
I really hate this line of reasoning. "Oh, how dare you get mad about *insert harms inflicted toward cause here* when you don't personally donate all of your waking hours *insert cause here*?" It's just so... douchey.
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Where did you find that information? In the interview I posted she says that she still has to finish her schooling. Also, per the interview, she has no job.
I'm just wondering what your source is.
I've already noted that the difference may not be significant enough for my stance to have any value. I'm not sure where to start looking for such a study that wouldn't be biased or tagential, as I have a near-zero interest in reproductive culture. If, in fact, in vitro has no significant effect on the well being of the population, I will retract my stance, and consider this story stupid tabloid crap not worthy of mention.
The first part is somewhat subjective and regional. The latter is regional, though in most cases I expect that the demographics line up in regards to IVF so as to negate the matter.
I made a point to specify healthy children early on for a reason. The ethnic thing falls under my low opinion of many people involved in this particular range of choices.
If you know where to find the numbers from a low-bias source that show this, I will retract my position. As stated above, I otherwise accept that I may in fact be in error in regards to the significance of the impact of IVF. I retain my opinion of people who have such a strong concern for blood relations, however.
Do keep in mind that my loathing for human practices and realities is kept in check largely because I remind myself about determinism repeatedly, which I'm sure you find abhorent, but which is the reality of my perspective nonetheless.
I'm starting to wonder if any news agency has a full grasp of this situation. No one seems to have the complete story yet. She's raised 7 kids...but needs to complete school...and maybe she has a job or maybe she's living off of a settlement from a past injury?
I've no idea. But the video of her talking seems to be a sensible starting point for finding out what she thinks her situation is.
Man I'd sacrifice a lot of orphans to have a reliable media.
The story I read was that she was hoping to go back to school to get a masters to become a counselor, and that she was at home and out of work temporarily after being injured during a riot at the mental hospital she worked out.
I, too, saw that article. But the one i read talked about a multi-thousand dollar settlement.
But, still, raising 14 kids requires more than thousands of dollars.
If faith is just a silent tribute, mine is just a desperate act.
Go find out then. Well then, you're obviously not really that concerned about kids in care. Just the nice, cute ones! That's awesome. Go you.
You're the one making the positive claim, you get the fucking numbers. And I really don't think there's anything pathological about wanting to perpetuate one's genes. Another positive claim with little to no backup.
That her uterus functions?
I take her to be less idealist and more fuck-ass-crazy. why would she need more children?
I'm discussing what I know from the news. If I cared about the topic enough to have an in-depth background in it I'd have something better to do with that knowledge than to discuss it here.
Yes I will go back to college in order to win an argument on the internet.
Bait and switch is beneath you.
I am unaware of ANY organization regarding reproduction that isn't heavily biased. I would have to go to fucking college and research their backgrounds. I get my information the same place you get your information on this woman's degree of college education.
That's what I did.
I went to college the first time to prove Fuck Hemingway.
FYI: Insults are not arguments.
If you believe that my grasp of the situation is too limited or erronious to form an opinion, that's fine. I've hardly claimed to be authoritative on the topic. However, lacking good information, I am left with taking my stance with the vague information I have come across. If you don't like it, that's fine too.
The level of aggression you display in informing me of your disdain for the formation of my opinion, however, is counter-productive. It's difficult to give a shit about what you say when you say it with your textual middle finger in the air.
The so called right of human kind to breed themselves off their planet is a right that needs to be questioned, at least until we get the technology to deal with a higher population.
There's too much of a she'll be right mentality about this fucking thing, as if humanity will overcome every problem facing them because they "always have" (rofl), without anybody having to do anything icky.
But we've never really faced anything big that didn't come from another human. This justification has no evidence for it.
A bloo bloo bloo for your right to reproduction.
I probably come off as harsh. It's because I am.
The Cat: I posted without thinking and reading the thread. I went back and read what you said, and I'm not convinced by your argument. Could you explain it better? How is the source of the population problem relevant here? The fact is there is a population problem, because people don't die. The idea of "well that's ok to increase it" is still irresponsible here. Just because something isn't the original cause is no excuse to make things worse via another means. (Although I am still only talking about "more than 2". And I don't agree with the person you were arguing with, re banning ivf.)
Except, we need a growing population to support our ever aging population. Retaining the status quo straight up won't be sustainable either.
That is because our whole economy is based around being a selfish animal that pretends it thinks. You know, like reproduction and the lack of adequate consideration for it. Of course something so central would have huge repercussions! That's the point. We are how we are now because its unquestioned.
Why can't we just build everyone robot butlers?
Yup, this woman is fucking nutso.
I like the part where she's never asked for any help or money from anyone, and oh she's going to be depending on her friends and family and church to help out with effort and money until she can figure out how to stretch an annual income of $0 into support for 15 people.
Maddie: "I am not!"
Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
If so, how much?
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Maddie: "I am not!"
Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
Crazy people don't have an exit plan.
You rely on your parents to loan you money to get your car fixed, not help you raise 14 kids whose father is a turkey baster.
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