If I had to take a guess, I'd imagine that it's cheaper for the government to pay her to take care of her own kids than it s to take the burden of raising them upon itself.
Even with the prospect of some of those 8 kids being completely retarded and/or suffering congenital defects? I read somewhere that it's pretty much a given that some of these kids are gonna be fucked up. There's no way she'll be able to do this, even if her neighborhood chips in. Even if the government gives her a check every week. And I can imagine her "friends" are gonna tire of this shit real quick.
On a side note, my grandpa was one of 14 kids raised by a single mom. My great-granddad died early. But, they were spaced apart sufficiently enough so the older ones could help with the youngins. Most of them turned out pretty normal.
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As for why someone would want that many kids: Psychological disorder.
Aka stupid.
There is literally no reason at all for anyone to have a brood like that. It defies all logic and common sense. It is stupid, it is a thing that stupid people do.
Perhaps some kind of mark could be stitched upon her clothing?
It's not an issue of "no husband" in order to fulfill the requirements of an invisible man in the sky. It's an issue of "no husband" with regard to: Who the fuck is going to pay for these little shits?
If she wants to have a lesbian mistress? Great. Fine. That's awesome. But right now she doesn't even have that. She has no financial resources.
What 'little shits'? So you hate the kids too now?
Honestly, you are all coming off as the most judgemental small-minded busybodies I have ever seen.
And you are coming off as someone that just wants to argue. What this woman is doing is extremely irresponsible. To intentionally have this many children with no way to support them is a disservice to the children and to the society that will undoubtedly be forced to take care of them.
Wait, someone here actually thinks this woman is justified in having 14 kids that she can't pay for?
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Wait, someone here actually thinks this woman is justified in having 14 kids that she can't pay for?
And aside from the money issue, I don't think a single mother who also has to find a job soon can have time and attention to all her children, who I might add all are less then seven years old.
I am of the opinion that with the world population levels the way they are having more children than two (keeping the status quo) is downright irresponsible and animalistic.
The problem isn't that she is single (no father? I'm pretty sure no one managed to grow up sane without one!)
The problem is that (according to the interview she gave) she made the children to compensate from her loneliness from growing up in a dysfunctionnal family. Kids are not there to fill the hole in your life. I know that insane parents are able to pop up kids without having to prove they are sane and can provide for their kid needs but that doesn't mean we should inseminate anybody that express the need to in the name of freedom of choice.
And no one else gets unconfortable that woman are made to believe their sole purpose in life is to make and raise kids? Because that's the impression I got from the interview "My sole purpose in life is to raise tons of kids"
This kind of thing frankly makes me wish that reproduction wasn't tied to the human body so that we didn't have a conflict between sane reproductive habits and the right to one's body.
This kind of thing frankly makes me wish that reproduction wasn't tied to the human body so that we didn't have a conflict between sane reproductive habits and the right to one's body.
Curse you, biology!
Thankfully it all will change when we finally start growing our fetuses in tubes.
I am of the opinion that with the world population levels the way they are having more children than two (keeping the status quo) is downright irresponsible and animalistic.
So what do you propose doing about it?
Start colonizing other planets so that crazy population growth is a good thing...or get into a couple wars to thin the numbers..
oh wait...
Uh, the US is one of like the only countries with a positive population growth.
We're barely populated, much less overpopulated.
I said crazy population growth, not merely positive. Most of my post was sarcasm though so I'm not going to really argue it further.
I just agree with what others have said: There was once a time where humans breeding like rabbits was a good thing and abortion was a huge no no. But we're at a point where, until some technological advancement comes along, be it floating cities, orbital habitats, better recycling etc etc etc ad nausea. We just really don't need to keep going on like we have been reproduction-wise
If someone is obsessed with a huge family, we got plenty of kids in orphanages. Angelina Jolie can't do it all by herself.
Developed countries actually need to start shitting out more babies, to be honest. Or allowing everyone to move in with us. The U.S is lucky because it ha a huge and youthful Hispanic population which is going make a lot of babies. The rest of the West is aging terribly.
Developed countries actually need to start shitting out more babies, to be honest. Or allowing everyone to move in with us. The U.S is lucky because it ha a huge and youthful Hispanic population which is going make a lot of babies. The rest of the West is aging terribly.
Japan in about 30 years? Fucked.
Unfortunately, that's not all flowers and daisies for the Hispanic population, since culturally the women are seen as nothing more than baby-makers, and the husband just sits in front of the TV once he gets home and doesn't interact with the kids at all.
Abortion would be less of a problem if people were told "abstinence is awesome, but if you want to boink each other, use condoms and foam goddamnit until you are ready".
Right now it's "ABSTINENCE ONLY" and then women are dropped neatly into a little hole where everyone can put them so that they can pretend the problem doesn't exist. See also: catholic school teacher fired for having a kid a few years ago
Advocating sterilization is going too far, but I do agree that she never should have had invitro. It should be reserved for those people who legitimately cannot conceive, not just people who want to have children quicker.
Really, nothing about this process should have been illegal, but I do think a lot of it is irresponsible and possibly immoral.
Pratically every doctor-expert asked about this said it was fine, the issue is how many eggs were implanted. They're not supposed to be doing that anymore, because they don't want women doing "stunt" pregnancies.
edit: also the fact that she got extremely lucky and didn't die from doing it
Developed countries actually need to start shitting out more babies, to be honest. Or allowing everyone to move in with us. The U.S is lucky because it ha a huge and youthful Hispanic population which is going make a lot of babies. The rest of the West is aging terribly.
Japan in about 30 years? Fucked.
Yeah, if the modern dominant cultures want to remain dominant they're going to have to work on the social issues surrounding reproduction and child-rearing. There are way too many people like me who have absorbed a lot of resources but who are denying producing further labor, though it was part of the intent of those resources being provided.
China's population is projected to flatten out and start dropping around 2050, the reason being that its preference for male heirs and its one child policy has basically bred females into extinction. There is an 11/1 male/female ratio in parts of the country now. India's population is projected to surpass China.
China's population is projected to flatten out and start dropping around 2050, the reason being that its preference for male heirs and its one child policy has basically bred females into extinction. There is an 11/1 male/female ratio in parts of the country now. India's population is projected to surpass China.
Its kind of awesome how supposedly pro-choice people turn into fucking monsters whenever someone has more than the 'approved' number of kids. Whatever number that is.
Christ, guys. Forced sterilisation? In vitro conception bans? Are you people that fucking stupid?
This. This x 1000.
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Look, what do you do when you suddenly have a litter of puppies?
You give them away to neighbors.
I'm sure some countries like Sweden would like to gain a child or three.
Developed countries actually need to start shitting out more babies, to be honest. Or allowing everyone to move in with us. The U.S is lucky because it ha a huge and youthful Hispanic population which is going make a lot of babies. The rest of the West is aging terribly.
Japan in about 30 years? Fucked.
Or Finland. I fucking dread the taxes I'm going to have to pay in order to support the large age groups that are going to retire soon (men and women of 1945 - I knew you were horny after years of bitter war but did you have to make THAT MANY babies?).
Seriously, we need to start accepting more immigrants here - and I mean A LOT more. Only 5,3 million people here in a big country, we have shitload of space and dying small towns that could use couple of thousand more people. But no, only like 200 or something per year. Sometimes bureocracy can be so goddamn dense. Even if we started maeking baebis right this instant there is no way they could age fast enough to support the aging population.
Wait, someone here actually thinks this woman is justified in having 14 kids that she can't pay for?
No one thinks its justified, but some of us think that a lot of you are being really tremendous dicks about it.
Seriously. A lot of you seem pretty emotional about this, and some of you are playing into the hates children/childbearing liberal stereotype to the point of hypocrisy.
Be rational.
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I disagree. Our population is currently unsustainable, therefore we're overpopulated.
I wouldn't say that our population is unsustainable; more like our industrial society and the creature comforts and infrastructure that come with it. Which is why we need to work on ways to sustain those things, not blindly restrict reproduction or kill off all the old folk or whatever crazy scheme you can come up with.
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Wait, someone here actually thinks this woman is justified in having 14 kids that she can't pay for?
No one thinks its justified, but some of us think that a lot of you are being really tremendous dicks about it.
Seriously. A lot of you seem pretty emotional about this, and some of you are playing into the hates children/childbearing liberal stereotype to the point of hypocrisy.
Be rational.
I throw in with this camp.
I've heard her dad is independently wealthy though.
Wait, someone here actually thinks this woman is justified in having 14 kids that she can't pay for?
No one thinks its justified, but some of us think that a lot of you are being really tremendous dicks about it.
Seriously. A lot of you seem pretty emotional about this, and some of you are playing into the hates children/childbearing liberal stereotype to the point of hypocrisy.
Be rational.
I throw in with this camp.
I've heard her dad is independently wealthy though.
I heard her parents were forced to file for bankruptcy after buying her a house.
Wait, someone here actually thinks this woman is justified in having 14 kids that she can't pay for?
No one thinks its justified, but some of us think that a lot of you are being really tremendous dicks about it.
Seriously. A lot of you seem pretty emotional about this, and some of you are playing into the hates children/childbearing liberal stereotype to the point of hypocrisy.
Be rational.
I throw in with this camp.
I've heard her dad is independently wealthy though.
I heard her parents were forced to file for bankruptcy after buying her a house.
And have moved in with her in the house they bought her.
I personally don't understand why people want to have children at all. There's all kinds of terrible things that can happen to you in life. Why would you want to bring someone into the world to suffer? I know that sounds emo and that there is joy in life as well, but I can't help but wonder how many people feel like they'd rather have never been born.
As for overpopulation and aging populations, I really don't see any viable solution other than instituting draconian policies. People love freedom, but it's just not rational for people to do whatever they want and expect that everything will be alright.
Ideally we could have a government that set reasonable limits on personal freedoms that could cause harm to others ("The freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose.") and citizens could agree to self-sacrifices for the good of all. If history is any indication, though, you can't trust government with that level of power and you can't get everyone to agree to play nice.
Given the looming disasters on the horizon (aging population, climate change, economic instability, water shortages, dwindling natural resources), I don't think its unlikely that something big is going to happen someday and change civilization forever. The good times will come to a screeching halt and people will be forced to face the consequences of their actions. I'm sure that humanity will bounce back and hopefully learn from past mistakes, but it will be a while before we can recover.
I know I went off on a bit of a tangent, but those are all reasons why I personally will never have a child. As a 20 year old whose lived a fairly privileged life, I'm terrified at the thought of my wealthy society's decline. I certainly don't want to bring a new life into the world when major problems are about to hit.
I personally don't understand why people want to have children at all. There's all kinds of terrible things that can happen to you in life. Why would you want to bring someone into the world to suffer? I know that sounds emo and that there is joy in life as well, but I can't help but wonder how many people feel like they'd rather have never been born.
Reproduction is an instinct, a social requirement in many circles, a form of social security, and a form of recreation.
It's not bad in and of itself. If you honestly think that the world is pretty grand despite the crap in it, and you have a child with the intent of ensuring that the child is happy and healthy for as long as you can possibly have an effect, I can't really fault you for it, anymore than I can fault someone for having already-domesticated animals as well-cared-for pets.
However, as with pet owners, abuse is pretty easy to come by, and wisdom is not always behind the decision.
Given the looming disasters on the horizon (aging population, climate change, economic instability, water shortages, dwindling natural resources), I don't think its unlikely that something big is going to happen someday and change civilization forever. The good times will come to a screeching halt and people will be forced to face the consequences of their actions. I'm sure that humanity will bounce back and hopefully learn from past mistakes, but it will be a while before we can recover.
This... wow. Something big will happen someday? Really?
All that's missing here is "CALL ME NOW!" in a terrible faux-creole accent.
There are always "looming" disasters. People have been freaking out about "dwindling" natural resources for hundreds of years. The "good times" have come to an end many times (bubonic plague, the Crusades, the Great Depression, WW1, WW2...) and yet people keep on.
Your post is some kind of generalization singularity, sucking other generalizations into it.
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Even with the prospect of some of those 8 kids being completely retarded and/or suffering congenital defects? I read somewhere that it's pretty much a given that some of these kids are gonna be fucked up. There's no way she'll be able to do this, even if her neighborhood chips in. Even if the government gives her a check every week. And I can imagine her "friends" are gonna tire of this shit real quick.
On a side note, my grandpa was one of 14 kids raised by a single mom. My great-granddad died early. But, they were spaced apart sufficiently enough so the older ones could help with the youngins. Most of them turned out pretty normal.
Aka stupid.
There is literally no reason at all for anyone to have a brood like that. It defies all logic and common sense. It is stupid, it is a thing that stupid people do.
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And you are coming off as someone that just wants to argue. What this woman is doing is extremely irresponsible. To intentionally have this many children with no way to support them is a disservice to the children and to the society that will undoubtedly be forced to take care of them.
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And aside from the money issue, I don't think a single mother who also has to find a job soon can have time and attention to all her children, who I might add all are less then seven years old.
So what do you propose doing about it?
The problem is that (according to the interview she gave) she made the children to compensate from her loneliness from growing up in a dysfunctionnal family. Kids are not there to fill the hole in your life. I know that insane parents are able to pop up kids without having to prove they are sane and can provide for their kid needs but that doesn't mean we should inseminate anybody that express the need to in the name of freedom of choice.
And no one else gets unconfortable that woman are made to believe their sole purpose in life is to make and raise kids? Because that's the impression I got from the interview "My sole purpose in life is to raise tons of kids"
Curse you, biology!
Thankfully it all will change when we finally start growing our fetuses in tubes.
But first we have to trick every single human being into giving up the genetic code that allows them to produce gamates.
Start colonizing other planets so that crazy population growth is a good thing...or get into a couple wars to thin the numbers..
oh wait...
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We're barely populated, much less overpopulated.
Outside of Europe damn near every country has a positive population growth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_population_(UN).svg
And shown here for individual countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_growth_rate_world.PNG
However, we're still nowhere near overpopulation
Actually, that is in debate right now.
I said crazy population growth, not merely positive. Most of my post was sarcasm though so I'm not going to really argue it further.
I just agree with what others have said: There was once a time where humans breeding like rabbits was a good thing and abortion was a huge no no. But we're at a point where, until some technological advancement comes along, be it floating cities, orbital habitats, better recycling etc etc etc ad nausea. We just really don't need to keep going on like we have been reproduction-wise
If someone is obsessed with a huge family, we got plenty of kids in orphanages. Angelina Jolie can't do it all by herself.
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Japan in about 30 years? Fucked.
Unfortunately, that's not all flowers and daisies for the Hispanic population, since culturally the women are seen as nothing more than baby-makers, and the husband just sits in front of the TV once he gets home and doesn't interact with the kids at all.
Abortion would be less of a problem if people were told "abstinence is awesome, but if you want to boink each other, use condoms and foam goddamnit until you are ready".
Right now it's "ABSTINENCE ONLY" and then women are dropped neatly into a little hole where everyone can put them so that they can pretend the problem doesn't exist. See also: catholic school teacher fired for having a kid a few years ago
Really, nothing about this process should have been illegal, but I do think a lot of it is irresponsible and possibly immoral.
edit: also the fact that she got extremely lucky and didn't die from doing it
Yeah, if the modern dominant cultures want to remain dominant they're going to have to work on the social issues surrounding reproduction and child-rearing. There are way too many people like me who have absorbed a lot of resources but who are denying producing further labor, though it was part of the intent of those resources being provided.
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This. This x 1000.
You give them away to neighbors.
I'm sure some countries like Sweden would like to gain a child or three.
Or Finland. I fucking dread the taxes I'm going to have to pay in order to support the large age groups that are going to retire soon (men and women of 1945 - I knew you were horny after years of bitter war but did you have to make THAT MANY babies?).
Seriously, we need to start accepting more immigrants here - and I mean A LOT more. Only 5,3 million people here in a big country, we have shitload of space and dying small towns that could use couple of thousand more people. But no, only like 200 or something per year. Sometimes bureocracy can be so goddamn dense. Even if we started maeking baebis right this instant there is no way they could age fast enough to support the aging population.
Seriously. A lot of you seem pretty emotional about this, and some of you are playing into the hates children/childbearing liberal stereotype to the point of hypocrisy.
Be rational.
I disagree. Our population is currently unsustainable, therefore we're overpopulated.
That's why we need to start working for better sources of energy, quick.
Goddamnit, why don't they just put all their money in the development of fusion power.
I wouldn't say that our population is unsustainable; more like our industrial society and the creature comforts and infrastructure that come with it. Which is why we need to work on ways to sustain those things, not blindly restrict reproduction or kill off all the old folk or whatever crazy scheme you can come up with.
I've heard her dad is independently wealthy though.
I heard her parents were forced to file for bankruptcy after buying her a house.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
As for overpopulation and aging populations, I really don't see any viable solution other than instituting draconian policies. People love freedom, but it's just not rational for people to do whatever they want and expect that everything will be alright.
Ideally we could have a government that set reasonable limits on personal freedoms that could cause harm to others ("The freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose.") and citizens could agree to self-sacrifices for the good of all. If history is any indication, though, you can't trust government with that level of power and you can't get everyone to agree to play nice.
Given the looming disasters on the horizon (aging population, climate change, economic instability, water shortages, dwindling natural resources), I don't think its unlikely that something big is going to happen someday and change civilization forever. The good times will come to a screeching halt and people will be forced to face the consequences of their actions. I'm sure that humanity will bounce back and hopefully learn from past mistakes, but it will be a while before we can recover.
I know I went off on a bit of a tangent, but those are all reasons why I personally will never have a child. As a 20 year old whose lived a fairly privileged life, I'm terrified at the thought of my wealthy society's decline. I certainly don't want to bring a new life into the world when major problems are about to hit.
That doesn't sound emo.
It's not bad in and of itself. If you honestly think that the world is pretty grand despite the crap in it, and you have a child with the intent of ensuring that the child is happy and healthy for as long as you can possibly have an effect, I can't really fault you for it, anymore than I can fault someone for having already-domesticated animals as well-cared-for pets.
However, as with pet owners, abuse is pretty easy to come by, and wisdom is not always behind the decision.
All that's missing here is "CALL ME NOW!" in a terrible faux-creole accent.
There are always "looming" disasters. People have been freaking out about "dwindling" natural resources for hundreds of years. The "good times" have come to an end many times (bubonic plague, the Crusades, the Great Depression, WW1, WW2...) and yet people keep on.
Your post is some kind of generalization singularity, sucking other generalizations into it.