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All Flash

mugginnsmugginns Registered User regular
edited March 2010 in Graphic Violence
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This thread is to discuss all the changes happening in the world of the Speedsters.
Updates:

Barry Allen
Spoiler:

Wally West
Spoiler:

Bart Allen
Spoiler:

Inertia
Spoiler:

Jay Garrick
To be honest, I don't know much about Jay Garrick. I'm still reading my way through Flash VOL2 and I know he plays a part in some of that.
The News:
Flash: Re-birth comes out April 1. Geoff Johns is involved so there is a pretty good chance it'll be good. There is a preview here:

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=25815

I usually check http://speedforce.org/ for news - here is some of the latest:
Spoiler:

I'll be very interested to see what they do with Wally. Apparently he'll be getting a new uniform. Will he be put on the back burner? I sure hope not.

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  • mugginnsmugginns Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'm really bad at all of this. Anyway.

    It was meant to be a discussion thread about the rumors that are coming out and the Rebirth preview.

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  • KeithKeith Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    mugginns wrote: »
    I'm really bad at all of this. Anyway.

    It was meant to be a discussion thread about the rumors that are coming out and the Rebirth preview.

    Would you say you're not up to speed with the Flash universe?

  • KeithKeith Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Perhaps we should run what's happened by you again?

  • KeithKeith Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Would that jog your memory?

  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    In the '90s, didn't Wally die and get replaced by some dude in a red and white costume or something like that, and his identity was a big mystery? What was the deal with that?

  • KeithKeith Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    In the '90s, didn't Wally die and get replaced by some dude in a red and white costume or something like that, and his identity was a big mystery? What was the deal with that?

    http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/walter.html

  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    with all of them coming back it's like right now we're having a flash flood

  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I never read anything with Barry Allen in it but I fucking loved those "Flash Fact:" moments.

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  • mugginnsmugginns Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Keith wrote: »
    mugginns wrote: »
    I'm really bad at all of this. Anyway.

    It was meant to be a discussion thread about the rumors that are coming out and the Rebirth preview.

    Would you say you're not up to speed with the Flash universe?
    :(

    I'm bad at remembering things... especially Final Crisis because for the most part it was "read... go to FBB the next day to find out what really happened".

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    With 4 generations of Flash, I think they could really set up a great story that involves all 4 of them.

    Jay Garrick is interesting because he doesn't tap into the speed force the same way as the other 3. He is quite a bit slower than them, but he also has a shitload of experience and wisdom. If you are looking for some good Jay Garrick stories, you should read Geoff Johns' JSA books because Garrick is a member of the JSA. I would say that's the book where he is most prominently featured right now.

    Also, as I recall, Jay had some cool moments in "52."

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    As a followup to my thought on the 4 Flash generations:

    Jay Garrick - He's got the most experience and he's sort of the "dad" figure that all of the other guys look up to. He isn't as fast, because he doesn't tap the speed force. But what he lacks in speed he makes up for in determination and being a clever old bastard.

    Barry Allen - He's the "Greatest" of the Flashes. He is the Silver Age star. He is definitely the fastest of them, and he's the one whom Wally and Bart both look up to as a hero.

    Wally West - Got the job and lived perpetually in the shadow of Barry. He's basically the Kyle Rayner of the Flash family. However, he's been around as a character for about 20 years now, so he definitely has a strong following and a lot of history.

    Bart Allen - Kid Flash, the youngest and most inexperienced. His attempt to fill Wally's place was a noble effort, but ended tragically. Will be interesting to see him back in the role of the youngest Flash.

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  • WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Yeah, thanks to reading Impulse I have to say that Max Mercury is my favorite speedster.

  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Don't forget Johnny Quick!
    And I guess Jesse too?

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  • KeithKeith Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    Wally West - Got the job and lived perpetually in the shadow of Barry. He's basically the Kyle Rayner of the Flash family. However, he's been around as a character for about 20 years now, so he definitely has a strong following and a lot of history.

    He's been around as a character for 50 years

  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    As a followup to my thought on the 4 Flash generations:

    Jay Garrick - He's got the most experience and he's sort of the "dad" figure that all of the other guys look up to. He isn't as fast, because he doesn't tap the speed force. But what he lacks in speed he makes up for in determination and being a clever old bastard.

    Barry Allen - He's the "Greatest" of the Flashes. He is the Silver Age star. He is definitely the fastest of them, and he's the one whom Wally and Bart both look up to as a hero.

    Wally West - Got the job and lived perpetually in the shadow of Barry. He's basically the Kyle Rayner of the Flash family. However, he's been around as a character for about 20 years now, so he definitely has a strong following and a lot of history.

    Bart Allen - Kid Flash, the youngest and most inexperienced. His attempt to fill Wally's place was a noble effort, but ended tragically. Will be interesting to see him back in the role of the youngest Flash.

    I'm pretty sure Barry Allen is not the fastest.

    While I'm not able to give any examples, I remember writers pointing out that Wally was able to do stuff that no other Flash was able to do before. It was part of the process of installing him as The Flash, rather than just Kid Flash. The same thing happened with Bart Allen, who had the entire speed force in him. It made him the fastest Flash ever.

    With Barry back, who knows what the new status quo is.

  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JoeUser wrote: »
    Don't forget Johnny Quick!
    And I guess Jesse too?

    If dead speedsters count, what about the Tornado Twins? And Barry's other grandkid, XS from the Legion of Super-Heroes.

  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Flash Fact: Wally West is a badass motherfucker.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

    wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

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    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

    wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

    Bart is like five years old. It doesn't really count.

  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

    wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

    Bart is like five years old. It doesn't really count.

    reading comprehension is not one of your super powers, is it?

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    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • KeithKeith Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Bart is better with his speed because he was born with it and it's instinctive to him. Like how Wally had to figure out how to vibrate through stuff (and then vibrate through stuff without exploding it), whereas Bart just instinctively vibrated through bullets

  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I really, really didn't care for the Flash preview. You know how Green Lantern was, for the first several issues, basically just Johns blowing Hal Jordan? The new Flash book looks to be the exact same thing.

    The dialogue between Jay and the rest of the JSA is painful.

  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

    wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

    Bart is like five years old. It doesn't really count.

    reading comprehension is not one of your super powers, is it?

    I'm just saying that Wally didn't have powers when he was five. It seems to me that you're making too many assumptions by using an age-to-speed ratio as an indicator of eventual top speed. Maybe it's more prudent to use a ratio based on the speed and the time the speedsters have had their powers.

    That's just assuming there's no top speed both Bart and Wally will eventually reach.

  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Munch wrote: »
    I really, really didn't care for the Flash preview. You know how Green Lantern was, for the first several issues, basically just Johns blowing Hal Jordan? The new Flash book looks to be the exact same thing.

    The dialogue between Jay and the rest of the JSA is painful.

    I don't really mind Barry's colleagues praising the dude at a party in his honor, but an overlong love letter to the Silver Age will turn me off pretty quickly.

  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

    wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

    Bart is like five years old. It doesn't really count.

    reading comprehension is not one of your super powers, is it?

    I'm just saying that Wally didn't have powers when he was five. It seems to me that you're making too many assumptions by using an age-to-speed ratio as an indicator of eventual top speed. Maybe it's more prudent to use a ratio based on the speed and the time the speedsters have had their powers.

    That's just assuming there's no top speed both Bart and Wally will eventually reach.

    Bart is the same age Wally was when he was Kid Flash. I know you think calling Bart five is clever, but that doesn't make it true.

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    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

    wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

    Bart is like five years old. It doesn't really count.

    reading comprehension is not one of your super powers, is it?

    I'm just saying that Wally didn't have powers when he was five. It seems to me that you're making too many assumptions by using an age-to-speed ratio as an indicator of eventual top speed. Maybe it's more prudent to use a ratio based on the speed and the time the speedsters have had their powers.

    That's just assuming there's no top speed both Bart and Wally will eventually reach.

    Bart is the same age Wally was when he was Kid Flash. I know you think calling Bart five is clever, but that doesn't make it true.

    But he is, though. He was born with a connection to the speed force and grew at an accelerated rate. That's why he was so disconnected with reality when he was Impulse. Because it wasn't in reality where he learned his ABCs. Sure, I'll make allowances for the time he spent in an alternate Earth (with Superboy Prime) and the years in the present. But he can't be older than 8 or 9 years old.

  • KeithKeith Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

    wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

    Bart is like five years old. It doesn't really count.

    reading comprehension is not one of your super powers, is it?

    I'm just saying that Wally didn't have powers when he was five. It seems to me that you're making too many assumptions by using an age-to-speed ratio as an indicator of eventual top speed. Maybe it's more prudent to use a ratio based on the speed and the time the speedsters have had their powers.

    That's just assuming there's no top speed both Bart and Wally will eventually reach.

    Bart is the same age Wally was when he was Kid Flash. I know you think calling Bart five is clever, but that doesn't make it true.

    Bart's not an actual teenager. He was 12 when he was actually 2. His aging was slowed to normal when he was "14" or so

  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Right, I'd forgotten. Regardless though, how is that relevant? I do still think that Bart has the potential to be faster then Wally, regardless of his age.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Right, I'd forgotten. Regardless though, how is that relevant? I do still think that Bart has the potential to be faster then Wally, regardless of his age.

    Well, if you're going to disregard age, by what criteria do we judge your theory?

  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Right, I'd forgotten. Regardless though, how is that relevant? I do still think that Bart has the potential to be faster then Wally, regardless of his age.

    Well, if you're going to disregard age, by what criteria do we judge your theory?

    Okay, fine... lets use age. At 5 Bart is faster then Wally was at fucking 15.

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    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Has anyone read Morrison and Millar's Flash "Emergency Stop" arc? It is pretty good!

    But uh yeah Flash: Rebirth, I'll totally be buying that!

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  • H*RH*R Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Why is Jai West so muscular?

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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    H*R wrote: »
    Why is Jai West so muscular?

    Both Jai and his sister Iris have Speed-Force powers that don't actually translate into super-speed, at least not at their current age.

  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    H*R wrote: »
    Why is Jai West so muscular?
    Super powers

  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    I just read the first arc of Johns' Flash with Zolomon as Zoom

    Motherfucker was terrifying

    And his ending is just fucked

  • Bloods EndBloods End Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Why are trades 3 and 4 of John's Flash run out of print?

    Why?

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  • mugginnsmugginns Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Me Too! wrote: »
    I just read the first arc of Johns' Flash with Zolomon as Zoom

    Motherfucker was terrifying

    And his ending is just fucked
    They need to put this part of Barry's run in trade:
    Blaming the Flash for his defeat, Thawne began travelling back in time to gain revenge, using his knowledge of "history" to his advantage. He also became obsessed with "replacing" Barry Allen, not only as the Flash, but as the husband of Iris West. After Iris finally made it clear that this would not happen, Zoom (apparently) kills her at a party, vibrating his hand into her head. It took a long time for Allen to get his life back together after this. Shortly after he had found love again, Zoom reappeared, threatening to kill his new fiance on Allen's second wedding day. Terrified that history would repeat itself, Allen instinctively and inadvertently kills his enemy, breaking Thawne's neck in a final struggle. After he was found not guilty of murder in the subsequent trial, despite the fact that even Wally West (the current Kid Flash and future Flash) testified against Barry in the trial at the time, Barry went to the thirtieth century to retire and live with the resurrected Iris, only to later die during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

    He vibrated his hand through her head. Different zoom, but still.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    In what universe would Wally ever testify against Barry? I mean, the preview to All Flash was annoying, but Wally actually felt like that (trying to fill Barry's shoes) for a very long time.

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