Mormons are fucking prompt

lostwords

LETS GO KILL US SUM CHILD ABUSERS YEEEEHAW

Darth Waiter

The Far Side wrote: »

it doesn't matter, Waiter, because a meritocracy is a pretty fucking awful idea in the modern world

Did I say it was?

edit: Or wasn't, for that matter?

The Far Side

No but there are people already stepping up to the plate for Heinlien's fascist bullshit

Jigrah

The Far Side wrote: »

it doesn't matter, Waiter, because a meritocracy is a pretty fucking awful idea in the modern world

Are, are you using my job as an insult?

Hahahaha

You are 8 kinds of special arnt ya.

Whoa, Darth Waiter definitly did not have a post up, then suddenly it appeared, weird shit.

lostwords

umm, what?

yeah teefs, you elitist bastard, looking down your nose at us plebes

Belruel

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

Phonehand wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

Phonehand wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

Phonehand wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Faricazy wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Wait, what is this "history" you speak of?

Faricazy wrote: »

This country has a rather illustrious history of the majority acting on their ideals, which others recognized as immoral and eventually overturned.

If you're blind to history then I don't know what else to say to you.

It was a joke. I was sarcastically agreeing with the guy who said I don't actually know history because I'm mormon.

well, the mormon church does hide and bury it's history, but they can learn normal history just fine.

Actually, most historical records are held at the church offices in Salt Lake and any Joe Schmo can go and look at them. It's less hiding and more not talking about it. Because really who is going to go to the trouble?

yeah, but why not teach some of the full real history in those 3 hours of church i went to every sunday, and the many hours of youth group, or even in those hours of seminary. when i started studying on my own, my bishop scolded me for it and said it was best to not dig up the past and to just concern myself with having faith in the church leaders

i mean, i really would have loved to have been told about how a prophet is on record at a congressional hearing swearing that he has never received revelation from god, and that he was not chosen by god and that the apostles were also not chosen through revelation, and more. instead they teach the opposite of that! and those are all very important points to know

No church in its right mind would do something so foolish. That would only cause fear and distrust.

exactly, and therein lies the joke about hiding history.

we could also talk about how joseph smith gave the priesthood to black men and women, and the prophet after him took it away.

It's really more just a lack of desire by people to research and understand. Which is fine. They are happy people. Whatever.

yeah, i have never been able to be happy with what is force fed me, i always want to know why, and when and what happened. it is part of the reason i never quite fit in during sunday school. i asked too many questions that the lesson books (which got repeated year after year after year) didn't have answers for

i was a perfect mormon kid where morals were concerned, and following the guidelines, but in temperment i just didn't fit at all

Not sure thats totally fair. My favorite word when I was young was "Why". I constantly and still ask questions. It was actually accepted and encouraged when I was at church. And one of the people I love touting to show that truly intellectual people can be members of the church is Hugh Nibley. Look the guy up. Or Henry B. Eyring. I gots more if you need.

naw, i got plenty of it on my own, what with what happened to me in three different wards in two different states. and the president of the quorum of the 12 said himself that the three greatest threats to mormonism are 'feminists, intellectuals, and homosexuals'

i am all three to at least some degree

Dubh

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

Phonehand wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

Phonehand wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

Phonehand wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Faricazy wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Wait, what is this "history" you speak of?

Faricazy wrote: »

This country has a rather illustrious history of the majority acting on their ideals, which others recognized as immoral and eventually overturned.

If you're blind to history then I don't know what else to say to you.

It was a joke. I was sarcastically agreeing with the guy who said I don't actually know history because I'm mormon.

well, the mormon church does hide and bury it's history, but they can learn normal history just fine.

Actually, most historical records are held at the church offices in Salt Lake and any Joe Schmo can go and look at them. It's less hiding and more not talking about it. Because really who is going to go to the trouble?

yeah, but why not teach some of the full real history in those 3 hours of church i went to every sunday, and the many hours of youth group, or even in those hours of seminary. when i started studying on my own, my bishop scolded me for it and said it was best to not dig up the past and to just concern myself with having faith in the church leaders

i mean, i really would have loved to have been told about how a prophet is on record at a congressional hearing swearing that he has never received revelation from god, and that he was not chosen by god and that the apostles were also not chosen through revelation, and more. instead they teach the opposite of that! and those are all very important points to know

No church in its right mind would do something so foolish. That would only cause fear and distrust.

exactly, and therein lies the joke about hiding history.

we could also talk about how joseph smith gave the priesthood to black men and women, and the prophet after him took it away.

It's really more just a lack of desire by people to research and understand. Which is fine. They are happy people. Whatever.

yeah, i have never been able to be happy with what is force fed me, i always want to know why, and when and what happened. it is part of the reason i never quite fit in during sunday school. i asked too many questions that the lesson books (which got repeated year after year after year) didn't have answers for

i was a perfect mormon kid where morals were concerned, and following the guidelines, but in temperment i just didn't fit at all

Not sure thats totally fair. My favorite word when I was young was "Why". I constantly and still ask questions. It was actually accepted and encouraged when I was at church. And one of the people I love touting to show that truly intellectual people can be members of the church is Hugh Nibley. Look the guy up. Or Henry B. Eyring. I gots more if you need.

They always just called me a 'spiritual' person. It was always wonderful coming up with a better point than what the bishop could muster.

The Far Side

wh

what

Me Too!

man I ain't even know what's going on anymore in this thread

Dubh

Mormon talk. Psh.

Wait, fuck.

The Far Side

Where did Jigrah even get the impression that I was referring to him at all

Homeless

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_County

this place is hell on earth

Me Too!

The Far Side wrote: »

Where did Jigrah even get the impression that I was referring to him at all

I think he missed Darth's post

Darth Waiter

The Far Side wrote: »

No but there are people already stepping up to the plate for Heinlien's fascist bullshit

I'm a reluctantly curious of fascism; it has an elegant simplicity to it.

Belruel

The Far Side wrote: »

Where did Jigrah even get the impression that I was referring to him at all

yeah i was wondering that too hahaha, you were talking about starship troopers

Jigrah

The Far Side wrote: »

No but there are people already stepping up to the plate for Heinlien's fascist bullshit

The book paints it as a really pretty picture, because it can cause it is fiction. It gives the impression that fascism leads to paradise and gives a couple of reasons how it would work.

Personally I think there is promise to a small meritocracy, maybe not for the US but for smaller countries, yes.

ObiFett

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.

it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.

it makes me very very sad.

That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:

I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.

Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.

And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.

No offense intended.

According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"

According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.

So, right back at ya.

No offense intended.

I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.

You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.

*sigh*

I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).

Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.

Javen

I wish Viv was here so we could bask in the glory of being right all the time.

This is good pizza.

Fandyien

you can't jerk it can you

Jigrah

The Far Side wrote: »

Where did Jigrah even get the impression that I was referring to him at all

At first I thought you meant Darth Waiter, so I scrolled up but there were no posts by him. Javen hadn't said anything and I did, so I thought you were talking to me.

After I posted I could see his post, not sure if I missed it or it just wasn't there, quite odd though.

Me Too!

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.

it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.

it makes me very very sad.

That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:

I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.

Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.

And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.

No offense intended.

According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"

According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.

So, right back at ya.

No offense intended.

I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.

You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.

*sigh*

I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).

Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.

You don't KNOW, you believe

Religion is faith. Belief in the absence of proof.

No proof no knowing sorry

ObiFett

Belruel wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Not sure thats totally fair. My favorite word when I was young was "Why". I constantly and still ask questions. It was actually accepted and encouraged when I was at church. And one of the people I love touting to show that truly intellectual people can be members of the church is Hugh Nibley. Look the guy up. Or Henry B. Eyring. I gots more if you need.

naw, i got plenty of it on my own, what with what happened to me in three different wards in two different states. and the president of the quorum of the 12 said himself that the three greatest threats to mormonism are 'feminists, intellectuals, and homosexuals'

i am all three to at least some degree

I saw you quoted that earlier in the thread, but you didn't give a link or who actually said it. I would love to read that talk.

The Far Side

Belruel wrote: »

The Far Side wrote: »

Where did Jigrah even get the impression that I was referring to him at all

yeah i was wondering that too hahaha, you were talking about starship troopers

yeah, those fuckin' waiters. bringing me my food. what dicks

Me Too!

And so by forcing what you claim to know but don't on others you are

In fact

A bigot

Darth Waiter

Jigrah wrote: »

The Far Side wrote: »

Where did Jigrah even get the impression that I was referring to him at all

At first I thought you meant Darth Waiter, so I scrolled up but there were no posts by him. Javen hadn't said anything and I did, so I thought you were talking to me.

After I posted I could see his post, not sure if I missed it or it just wasn't there, quite odd though.

Spoiler:

Faricazy

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.

it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.

it makes me very very sad.

That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:

I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.

Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.

And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.

No offense intended.

According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"

According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.

So, right back at ya.

No offense intended.

I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.

You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.

*sigh*

I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).

Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.

FOR THE LAST TIME, YOURS IS NOT THE ONLY FAITH AROUND, NOR IS IT THE ONLY ONE WITH A CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE

YOU FUCKING IDIOT

AGRGHIU

Dubh

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.

it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.

it makes me very very sad.

That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:

I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.

Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.

And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.

No offense intended.

According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"

According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.

So, right back at ya.

No offense intended.

I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.

You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.

*sigh*

I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).

Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.

If it's just a word, then why bother making laws about it?

Faricazy

i'm going to get a coronary from this shit

Dead Legend

So somebody wrote on some sign trying to get people to come to church on the quad today with a headline "Why does God care about sexuality?" that said "Marriage is a sacred thing, and gay marriage does not ruin it. Divorce makes a mockery of marriage."

And all I could think of was Kelso going "BURN"

ObiFett

Me Too! wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.

it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.

it makes me very very sad.

That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:

I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.

Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.

And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.

No offense intended.

According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"

According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.

So, right back at ya.

No offense intended.

I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.

You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.

*sigh*

I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).

Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.

You don't KNOW, you believe

Religion is faith. Belief in the absence of proof.

No proof no knowing sorry

I do "know". My explanation of how I know wouldn't be sufficient for you, however. Much like you trying to explain how salt tastes to someone who has never tasted salt.

Darth Waiter

Faricazy wrote: »

i'm going to get a coronary from this shit

Dibs on your couch and loveseat.

Belruel

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Not sure thats totally fair. My favorite word when I was young was "Why". I constantly and still ask questions. It was actually accepted and encouraged when I was at church. And one of the people I love touting to show that truly intellectual people can be members of the church is Hugh Nibley. Look the guy up. Or Henry B. Eyring. I gots more if you need.

naw, i got plenty of it on my own, what with what happened to me in three different wards in two different states. and the president of the quorum of the 12 said himself that the three greatest threats to mormonism are 'feminists, intellectuals, and homosexuals'

i am all three to at least some degree

I saw you quoted that earlier in the thread, but you didn't give a link or who actually said it. I would love to read that talk.

boyd k packer of course

Javen

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.

it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.

it makes me very very sad.

That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:

I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.

Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.

And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.

No offense intended.

According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"

According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.

So, right back at ya.

No offense intended.

I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.

You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.

*sigh*

I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).

Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.

Just out of curiosity, what would happen if the church were to change it's doctrine and suddenly say 'okay gay marriage is cool, now?' Religions change their stances on such things all the time, would it still be such an eternal principle if your religion said it was okay?

Jigrah

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.

it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.

it makes me very very sad.

That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:

I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.

Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.

And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.

No offense intended.

According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"

According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.

So, right back at ya.

No offense intended.

I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.

You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.

*sigh*

I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).

Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.

Because it is the church that marries you, not the government. You are wanting your definition of marriage to be the governments definition of marriage.

Here in America, pushing religion on the government doesn't add inches to your dick.

Me Too!

ObiFett wrote: »

Me Too! wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Spectre-x wrote: »

ObiFett wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

but all of this is useless masturbation anyways, anything i say won't convince you, because you have your eyes firmly shut, feeling righteous in your cause, and that what you are offering is fair.

it's the same with my extended family, i was furious when they donated money to the yes on 8 campaign, but their church leaders sent down the command, and they, like a nice little flock, go and obey without thinking it out logically. but nothing i say will make them look at it with a fair even view, they are far too skewed.

it makes me very very sad.

That bolded phrase is an impossibility. :winky:

I personally don't feel like my eyes are shut. I am very much a free thinker (Philosophy major) and welcome any viewpoints. I don't think I have been unreasonable or illogical in my statements so I'm not sure why you are comparing me to sheep, but whatev. Regardless, thanks for the convo and for not getting pissed off. Most people just get all angry when having any sort of debate.

Of course you don't feel your eyes are shut. This is like Plato's cave. You don't know any better so you don't realise that what you see or think isn't at all rational or fair.

And you're obviously not a free thinker because you twist and turn in your logic to desparately cling to your backwards beliefs.

No offense intended.

According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"

According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.

So, right back at ya.

No offense intended.

I take back the no offense intended because you're turning out to be a two-face hypocritical jackoff who doesn't want people who love each other to be able to call themselves a specific thing just because you don't like it when they do.

You're a bit of a prick and your stance is completely illogical, bigoted and childish in the extreme.

*sigh*

I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).

Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.

You don't KNOW, you believe

Religion is faith. Belief in the absence of proof.

No proof no knowing sorry

I do "know". My explanation of how I know wouldn't be sufficient for you, however. Much like you trying to explain how salt tastes to someone who has never tasted salt.

No you don't because THAT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE DEFINITION OF FAITH YOU FUCKING TOOL

Hunter

Darth Waiter wrote: »

Faricazy wrote: »

i'm going to get a coronary from this shit

Dibs on your couch and loveseat.

I need a drink

First round is on me, who's in

SithDrummer

ObiFett wrote: »

I'm cool with gays getting the rights of marriage. The concept of the actual word marriage as an instution is an eternal sacred principle TO ME. Its not that I don't like it, its that I know that happiness is only found through God's eternal principles (seeing as all he wants us to be is happy, his guidelines are in place to facilitate that happiness).

Please explain how that is hypocritical, bigoted, or childish. I can give you illogical, maybe, because the basis of it is based on faith.

The government's definition of marriage doesn't have to match your religion's, even if they're using the same word. If I tell you I'm stepping out to smoke a fag, do you immediately think I'm about to gun down Elton? Words have different meanings in context!

Faricazy

Darth Waiter wrote: »

Faricazy wrote: »

i'm going to get a coronary from this shit

Dibs on your couch and loveseat.

I didn't say I'll die!

Butters

Me Too!

Mysst

Hunter wrote: »

Darth Waiter wrote: »

Faricazy wrote: »

i'm going to get a coronary from this shit

Dibs on your couch and loveseat.

I need a drink

First round is on me, who's in

might as well get this friday started early