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Saturday Morning Watchmen (Spoilers)

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  • DarricDarric Registered User regular
    Evander wrote: »
    Darric wrote: »
    But even more specifically than that, I loved how in the comic that
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    line is repeated over and over, until suddenly it becomes
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    As I read that in the comic I kept thinking that, even transposed directly, it would make a great moment in the film. Then bleh.

    The issue with subtlety on major plot points is that if you don't make them entirely clear, then the folks who missed that little bit will be horribly confused for the rest of the movie.

    I'm not saying it had to be more subtle, just that it could have been more poignant. I just felt that it was very ineffectively handled cinematically.

  • FortyTwoFortyTwo strongest man in the world The Land of Pleasant Living Registered User regular
    The movie was great. I saw it with one friend who had read the book and one who had not. Both loved it.

    Critics who say "It's too close to the comic!" are stupid. The movie is a great introduction to the comic or a great companion piece. It is entertaining in its own right. The fact that the director decided against changing key points of the movie to "make it his" is a good thing.


    Also, the action sequences were awesome. The only time the slo-to-fast-mo felt awkward was in the fire scene.

    Most of the action scenes seemed really old hat to me.

    I mean, yeah he was thrown so hard into that marble it CRACK IN THE SHAPE OF HIS HEAD!! There was nary a sharp corner of stone that did not have a spine slammed into it. Grown people getting thrown around like rag-dolls.

    Sure, it was pretty, but it is something that has been done in every superhero movie for the last 10 years. Much of the action sequences, to me, looked like they could have easily been in other movies, but these just happened to be the Watchmen involved.

    All in all it seemed very generic. There was nothing that set this apart from other action movies. The psychological commentary got overshadowed and it was paced terribly.

  • ThatDudeOverThereThatDudeOverThere Ymir owns. He fucking owns!Registered User regular
    christ this thread is way too fast

  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    I've yet to read the book (shut up I'll get around to it sometime)

    One question:

    The fuck was with the horned tiger?

  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Darric wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Darric wrote: »
    But even more specifically than that, I loved how in the comic that
    Spoiler:

    line is repeated over and over, until suddenly it becomes
    Spoiler:

    As I read that in the comic I kept thinking that, even transposed directly, it would make a great moment in the film. Then bleh.

    The issue with subtlety on major plot points is that if you don't make them entirely clear, then the folks who missed that little bit will be horribly confused for the rest of the movie.

    I'm not saying it had to be more subtle, just that it could have been more poignant. I just felt that it was very ineffectively handled cinematically.

    what would you have wanted differently?

    I thought that they handled it perfectly fine with the flashback, and then had Doc confirm it explicitly, for the sake of folks who weren't getting it.

    Then, just as Laurie's entire world is being shattered, she shatters the structure behind her.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Rose, shut the hell up about my bedroom and save my game already!Registered User regular
    Darric wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Darric wrote: »
    But even more specifically than that, I loved how in the comic that
    Spoiler:

    line is repeated over and over, until suddenly it becomes
    Spoiler:

    As I read that in the comic I kept thinking that, even transposed directly, it would make a great moment in the film. Then bleh.

    The issue with subtlety on major plot points is that if you don't make them entirely clear, then the folks who missed that little bit will be horribly confused for the rest of the movie.

    I'm not saying it had to be more subtle, just that it could have been more poignant. I just felt that it was very ineffectively handled cinematically.

    The Comedian's line being repeated over and over again would've been retarded in the film.

    I think if the flashback montage had included Laurie getting drunk and telling off the Comedian it would've been fine.

  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Mr. G wrote: »
    I've yet to read the book (shut up I'll get around to it sometime)

    One question:

    The fuck was with the horned tiger?

    Bubastis is a genetically engineered lynx.

    It's just another one of the things that are weird in the comic without clear explanation. It's an affectation of Ozymandias is the best that you'll get.

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  • FabricateFabricate __BANNED USERS
    I didn't find Bubastis weird in the comic
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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Rose, shut the hell up about my bedroom and save my game already!Registered User regular
    Fabricate wrote: »
    I didn't find Bubastis weird in the comic
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    Since that plotline's not in the movie though, Bubastis really needed to get cut.

  • FabricateFabricate __BANNED USERS
    Yeah I totally agree, she was probably thrown in just so you could have the panel translation of
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    I'll spoiler that for good measure i guess

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I think that a lot of things that feel out of place right now were included because there will be more to it in the director's cut.

    One thing I noticed:
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    I think that this means that
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    "Advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
    "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process."
    Imagine all of my posts being spoken by Alec Baldwin
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  • VisionOfClarityVisionOfClarity Registered User
    I think that a lot of things that feel out of place right now were included because there will be more to it in the director's cut.

    One thing I noticed:
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    I think that this means that
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    Well yea they've already said they filmed this scene.

  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    I think that a lot of things that feel out of place right now were included because there will be more to it in the director's cut.

    One thing I noticed:
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    I think that this means that
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    You see scenes from this in trailers

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  • DarricDarric Registered User regular
    Darric wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Darric wrote: »
    But even more specifically than that, I loved how in the comic that
    Spoiler:

    line is repeated over and over, until suddenly it becomes
    Spoiler:

    As I read that in the comic I kept thinking that, even transposed directly, it would make a great moment in the film. Then bleh.

    The issue with subtlety on major plot points is that if you don't make them entirely clear, then the folks who missed that little bit will be horribly confused for the rest of the movie.

    I'm not saying it had to be more subtle, just that it could have been more poignant. I just felt that it was very ineffectively handled cinematically.

    The Comedian's line being repeated over and over again would've been retarded in the film.

    Man, I don't know. It makes a pretty great moment in my head.

    But really, let's not discuss this more, it's the most minor of minor criticisms I have.

  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Fabricate wrote: »
    I didn't find Bubastis weird in the comic
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    It's not some kind of natural byproduct.

    It is still just a strange thing that Ozy decided he wanted.

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  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS
    Well there was a little mention of the genetic engineering that spawned Bubastis in the movie.

    It's tiny though, in the dinner scene with Dan and Laurie a woman says in the background "Boy, I'm glad I ordered the four-legged chicken."

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Rose, shut the hell up about my bedroom and save my game already!Registered User regular
    Blankspace wrote: »
    Well there was a little mention of the genetic engineering that spawned Bubastis in the movie.

    It's tiny though, in the dinner scene with Dan and Laurie a woman says in the background "Boy, I'm glad I ordered the four-legged chicken."

    I didn't catch that at all, but when Doug Roth is interviewing him at the start he mentions that Veidt Enterprises has done a lot of research into genetic engineering.

    It's really not enough though, especially since the scenes are at opposite ends of the movie.

  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    Snyder said that the Nite Owl I scene was the last one he cut and it broke his heart to do it but it needed to be done

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  • FabricateFabricate __BANNED USERS
    Especially when the genetic engineering is no longer relevant

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Fabricate wrote: »
    Especially when the genetic engineering is no longer relevant

    it is still ENTIRELY relevant.

    The movie actually tied together something that just kind of hung loose in the book.



    In the book EVERY advance in science is thanks to Doc. He has really brought the world far ahead of where it would have been.

    In the movie, not only do they reflect that, but they then turn it around on the people.

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  • RoloRolo Registered User regular
    My biggest gripes with the movie was just that some of the dialog sounded so much better in my head than it did on the screen. Silk Spectre's lines and acting in particular didn't seem to match the way I mentally intoned her dialog from the comic. Her final scene with her mother in particular seemed completely off - everything felt so wooden.

    I also imagined Rorschach's monotone voice being closer to The Question's voice acting from his appearances in the DCAU.

  • FortyTwoFortyTwo strongest man in the world The Land of Pleasant Living Registered User regular
    Evander wrote: »
    Fabricate wrote: »
    Especially when the genetic engineering is no longer relevant

    it is still ENTIRELY relevant.

    The movie actually tied together something that just kind of hung loose in the book.



    In the book EVERY advance in science is thanks to Doc. He has really brought the world far ahead of where it would have been.

    In the movie, not only do they reflect that, but they then turn it around on the people.

    How so?

    I mean it is made apparent that he won Vietnam and that he is the reason there hasn't been a nuclear war, but other than that how were Doc's "advances" shown in the world?

  • FortyTwoFortyTwo strongest man in the world The Land of Pleasant Living Registered User regular
    Rolo wrote: »
    My biggest gripes with the movie was just that some of the dialog sounded so much better in my head than it did on the screen. Silk Spectre's lines and acting in particular didn't seem to match the way I mentally intoned her dialog from the comic. Her final scene with her mother in particular seemed completely off - everything felt so wooden.

    I also imagined Rorschach's monotone voice being closer to The Question's voice acting from his appearances in the DCAU.

    The acting all around was pretty off.

  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    I'm getting ready to go see this now.

    I am wary.

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  • DislexicDislexic Registered User
    Rolo wrote: »

    really? I liked Jim Dale reading Harry Potter better. Jim Dale is amazing. He does all the voices like Hermione so well that you don't even notice it's a dude most of the time

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  • RoloRolo Registered User regular
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Fabricate wrote: »
    Especially when the genetic engineering is no longer relevant

    it is still ENTIRELY relevant.

    The movie actually tied together something that just kind of hung loose in the book.



    In the book EVERY advance in science is thanks to Doc. He has really brought the world far ahead of where it would have been.

    In the movie, not only do they reflect that, but they then turn it around on the people.

    How so?

    I mean it is made apparent that he won Vietnam and that he is the reason there hasn't been a nuclear war, but other than that how were Doc's "advances" shown in the world?

    Electric cars, air ships like Archie, spark hydrants, Rorschach's mask - almost all of the sci-fi stuff was due to Manhattan's advances in science.

  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    Rolo wrote: »
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Fabricate wrote: »
    Especially when the genetic engineering is no longer relevant

    it is still ENTIRELY relevant.

    The movie actually tied together something that just kind of hung loose in the book.



    In the book EVERY advance in science is thanks to Doc. He has really brought the world far ahead of where it would have been.

    In the movie, not only do they reflect that, but they then turn it around on the people.

    How so?

    I mean it is made apparent that he won Vietnam and that he is the reason there hasn't been a nuclear war, but other than that how were Doc's "advances" shown in the world?

    Electric cars, air ships like Archie, spark hydrants, Rorschach's mask - almost all of the sci-fi stuff was due to Manhattan's advances in science.

    Nothing in the movie indicated that

  • FortyTwoFortyTwo strongest man in the world The Land of Pleasant Living Registered User regular
    Rolo wrote: »
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Fabricate wrote: »
    Especially when the genetic engineering is no longer relevant

    it is still ENTIRELY relevant.

    The movie actually tied together something that just kind of hung loose in the book.



    In the book EVERY advance in science is thanks to Doc. He has really brought the world far ahead of where it would have been.

    In the movie, not only do they reflect that, but they then turn it around on the people.

    How so?

    I mean it is made apparent that he won Vietnam and that he is the reason there hasn't been a nuclear war, but other than that how were Doc's "advances" shown in the world?

    Electric cars, air ships like Archie, spark hydrants, Rorschach's mask - almost all of the sci-fi stuff was due to Manhattan's advances in science.

    Nothing in the movie indicated that

    Exactly.

  • DislexicDislexic Registered User
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Fabricate wrote: »
    Especially when the genetic engineering is no longer relevant

    it is still ENTIRELY relevant.

    The movie actually tied together something that just kind of hung loose in the book.



    In the book EVERY advance in science is thanks to Doc. He has really brought the world far ahead of where it would have been.

    In the movie, not only do they reflect that, but they then turn it around on the people.

    How so?

    I mean it is made apparent that he won Vietnam and that he is the reason there hasn't been a nuclear war, but other than that how were Doc's "advances" shown in the world?

    Archie the Owl Ship? Dan's laser utility cutting tool, I'm sure I'm missing some other thigns

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN Awaiting Email Confirmation
    Graves wrote: »
    When they showed her butt I said "Total white girl booty" louder than I intended.

    And then pinched my gfs badonkadonk.

    She made a face like don't do that.

    And I made a face like :D

    yeah for real her ass was pretty so-so

  • TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    The acting all around was pretty off.

    Really? I thought Night Owl II, Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan were all pretty spot on.

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  • RoloRolo Registered User regular
    Rolo wrote: »
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Fabricate wrote: »
    Especially when the genetic engineering is no longer relevant

    it is still ENTIRELY relevant.

    The movie actually tied together something that just kind of hung loose in the book.



    In the book EVERY advance in science is thanks to Doc. He has really brought the world far ahead of where it would have been.

    In the movie, not only do they reflect that, but they then turn it around on the people.

    How so?

    I mean it is made apparent that he won Vietnam and that he is the reason there hasn't been a nuclear war, but other than that how were Doc's "advances" shown in the world?

    Electric cars, air ships like Archie, spark hydrants, Rorschach's mask - almost all of the sci-fi stuff was due to Manhattan's advances in science.

    Nothing in the movie indicated that

    Oops, sorry, I thought you were just asking how all of that stuff was explained, period.

  • DislexicDislexic Registered User
    but it was implied through adrian's talk of his work with dr. manhattan

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  • FortyTwoFortyTwo strongest man in the world The Land of Pleasant Living Registered User regular
    Tasteticle wrote: »
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    The acting all around was pretty off.

    Really? I thought Night Owl II, Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan were all pretty spot on.

    Rorschach was good, I liked him - My girlfriend did not. Night Owl II was pretty forgettable, good but nothing to write home about.

    As for Doc. I mean I know he is supposed to be aloof, but it almost seems he was trying too hard here.

  • DislexicDislexic Registered User
    Tasteticle wrote: »
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    The acting all around was pretty off.

    Really? I thought Night Owl II, Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan were all pretty spot on.

    absolutely. I think Malin's character was a little off, but I think that was more because of the story adjustments they had to make than Malin Akerman's acting. Dan was great too, he got the insecurity down. The Doc and the Comedian were both executed exactly the way I expected it to be.

    "You sound bitter"
    "Haha, me? Bitter? Fuck no. I think it's hilarious"

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    I am particularly excited about the silk spectre's tits.

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  • DislexicDislexic Registered User
    Fandyien wrote: »
    I am particularly excited about the silk spectre's tits.

    oh they are a sight to behold

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  • McClyMcCly Registered User
    Not to draw more TDK Joker/Rorschach comparisons, but I figure the movie-mask's origin was sort of like Joker's scars and we'll never really know.

    But I do hope Rorschach's origin is in the Director's cut.

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  • RoloRolo Registered User regular
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    Tasteticle wrote: »
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    The acting all around was pretty off.

    Really? I thought Night Owl II, Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan were all pretty spot on.

    Rorschach was good, I liked him - My girlfriend did not. Night Owl II was pretty forgettable, good but nothing to write home about.

    As for Doc. I mean I know he is supposed to be aloof, but it almost seems he was trying too hard here.

    I kind of like what they did with Jon - I always imagined a kind of otherwordly voice coming from him (kind of like what he sounds like when he's big) but having him sound like a completely normal, slightly shy human actually underscores his personality even more.

  • Ness445Ness445 Registered User
    Dislexic wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    I am particularly excited about the silk spectre's tits.

    oh they are a sight to behold
    the best part is there are two of them.

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