Shoulda put a ring of protection +1 on it. (Table top games)

A Dabble Of Thelonius

So this right here is the new tabletop gaming thread. D&D, M&M, Snickers, WH40k, whatever your little heart desires.

D&D Stuff

D&D Official site. If you haven't tried out the character builder, you really should. It's in free trial right now, so you can use it up to level 3. Takes all the work out of character creation and is much easier than flipping pages and comparing books. As of right now, they do NOT have all the PHB2 content in there, because it's WOTC and they suck at computers.

Speaking of PHB2. Players Handbook 2 just came out. It features new classes (avenger, barbarian, bard, druid, invoker, shaman, sorcerer, and warden) new races (deva, gnome, goliath, half-orc, and shifter) and new feats, destinies and items. Pretty swanky stuff.


Other games stuff

I got nothin'. Feel free to put up some links to your favorites, I'll add them to the OP.


ITT : Nerds, dice, being jealous of Rank, Mori has a talking door in his pocket but he's still happy to see you.

Squall

I dunno...thug and rogue don't really seem to match very well. I mean, isn't the very idea behind a rogue is that he acts on his own whims, not those of others?

Metzger Meister

His loyalty lies with gold and staying alive. And no one understands him but his woman.

Ness445

wait are we talking about Shaft or this half-orc?

Is Shaft half-orcish?

Squall

Being a henchman doesn't seem like a good stayin' alive occupation

Mysst

squall don't compartmentalize rogues man

Abracadaniel

Yeah, there's two "builds" for the Rogue in 4e, the Brutal Rogue and the Artful Dodger. Picking certain powers and feats grant bonuses depending on which build you take. The Artful Dodger built grants you bonuses against Opportunity Attacks, while the Brutal Rogue lets you deal more damage with a rogue power (usually allowing you to add your STR modifier to a power it wouldn't otherwise)

You can pick any powers you want, it's just that some confer more benefits than others.

There's a power that lets you throw sand in your enemy's eyes!

Metzger Meister

Squall wrote: »

Being a henchman doesn't seem like a good stayin' alive occupation

He's like 21. He is a perfect mix of inept and invincible.

edit: HA. Artful Dodger. Classy.

Squall

I confess I have never played a rogue.

Mysst

I mean, I do play my rogues as free-willed, devil-may-care, gimme-da-cash, fuck-da-police kind of dudes, but you know, there's always a place for burly yes-men

Abracadaniel

So long as you're not the obnoxious dude who steals from the party every chance it's a lot of fun. One of the guys in my group would almost always volunteer to do the equipment shopping, because he'd use his mad charisma to get the stuff at a lower rate, and pocket the remaining gold. Called it a service fee.

Squall

Ranger is just so temping in 4e

Stale

Squall wrote: »

Ranger is just so temping in 4e

a ranger and a ranged rogue in the same party is fucking devastating

A Dabble Of Thelonius

Hey, metz, Martial Power (and the character builder) have a third Rogue tactic. Ruthless Ruffian, proficient with clubs and maces, you can use these weapons with Sneak Attack and any rogue powers that have the Light Blade keyword. If you use a club or mace with a power that has the Rattling keyword, add your strength modifier to the damage roll. Might fit that character concept.

Metzger Meister

That's rad.

Abracadaniel

Did they ever come up with a way to handle subdual damage in 4e?

Like, if I wanted to just knock a dude out, rather than kill him, how would it play out? Could I use the pommel of my sword to crack him across the temple or what?

A Dabble Of Thelonius

I think it's just a DM call. No real rules, just hey I wanna smack that guy with this attack instead of pierce his spleen.

Squall

Righteous brand or twin-strike on a fighter would be pretty rad as well, it'd just be hard to build a good half-elf fighter.

Hell, half-elf cleric with twin strike would be good too.

Metzger Meister

Also half-orcs seem a lot less like the bastard rape-babbies this time around. I like that. It may be a strategy to avoid offending people, but they seem a bit more deep or something I dunno.

Squall

Also: is orc no longer a language? Is that why half-orcs dont have that as a base language?

Mysst

maybe they got tired of rape and wanted meaningful relationships with human and elf women

Abracadaniel

If I were to make a guess, it's cause most half-orcs aren't raised by their orc parents, they'd more likely be killed for being 'weaker.'

Squall

The thing is, why does it make more sense that they speak giant?

Abracadaniel

I dunno, I haven't read the PHB2

Metzger Meister

There's actually this whole character background thing and a couple of the half-orc ones involve full-blooded orc tribes and such and bein' raised by them.

Squall

Ah, in PHB I it has a list of languages and who speaks them. Giants, orcs, and orgres all speak giant.

Abracadaniel

They probably did that to avoid the problems of the Forgotten Realms in 3e, where there's like 300 different regional languages and alphabets.

Squall

it cuts back on the haha you can't communicate with anyone other than those in your home town

Iroh

Squall wrote: »

it cuts back on the haha you can't communicate with anyone other than those in your home town

Wow anyone who DMs like that is a dick.

Anybody else still playing 3.5? I am playing a campaign with some friends every other week and we just can't get over some of the dumb changes in 4e.

Squall

Like what?

Metzger Meister

WotC should release their character generator for retail. Only make it updated and stuff.

Iroh

Squall wrote: »

Like what?

Mostly nitpick stuff like how much easier it is to back out of combat without taking an attack of opportunity.

It just seemed to us that there were too many abusable changes that were made to make the game easier, but we never tested it in an actual game, so maybe it's unwarranted.

Abracadaniel

Metzger Meister wrote: »

WotC should release their character generator for retail. Only make it updated and stuff.

It's available to DnD Insider subscribers

Metzger Meister

Smart Hero wrote: »

Metzger Meister wrote: »

WotC should release their character generator for retail. Only make it updated and stuff.

It's available to DnD Insider subscribers

Yeah, that's true. But man don't you have to continue the subscription to use the thing?

edit: Like I couldn't just download it and then tell them to eat a dick?

Kayne Red Robe

Iroh wrote: »

Squall wrote: »

Like what?

Mostly nitpick stuff like how much easier it is to back out of combat without taking an attack of opportunity.

It just seemed to us that there were too many abusable changes that were made to make the game easier, but we never tested it in an actual game, so maybe it's unwarranted.

Pretty sure you still eat an Opportunity Attack (Attack of Opportunity, whatever), unless you shift (5-foot step) out of combat. I mean, I can understand wanting to play 3.5 still, the two are very different, but that's an odd thing to nitpick.

Abracadaniel

Metzger Meister wrote: »

Smart Hero wrote: »

Metzger Meister wrote: »

WotC should release their character generator for retail. Only make it updated and stuff.

It's available to DnD Insider subscribers

Yeah, that's true. But man don't you have to continue the subscription to use the thing?

edit: Like I couldn't just download it and then tell them to eat a dick?

It's, like $5 a month, and yeah you could, but it probably wouldn't stay updated with the newest books and magazine articles and whatnot.

Squall

Iroh wrote: »

Squall wrote: »

Like what?

Mostly nitpick stuff like how much easier it is to back out of combat without taking an attack of opportunity.

It just seemed to us that there were too many abusable changes that were made to make the game easier, but we never tested it in an actual game, so maybe it's unwarranted.

I haven't played it yet either, but the idea of the different powers makes your characters much more interesting every turn. Low level characters in 3.5 ranged from "I hit it with my greatsword again" to "I hit it with magic missile again". In that respect, I got very tired of low level 3.5 campaigns very quickly, and shifted to white wolf games.

Listening to the D&D podcasts has rekindled my interest in this setting, and I hope sometime Ill convince my group to give it a whirl. I may even try to make my own campaign (something which I have yet to attempt)

Kayne Red Robe

Metzger Meister wrote: »

Smart Hero wrote: »

Metzger Meister wrote: »

WotC should release their character generator for retail. Only make it updated and stuff.

It's available to DnD Insider subscribers

Yeah, that's true. But man don't you have to continue the subscription to use the thing?

edit: Like I couldn't just download it and then tell them to eat a dick?

Nope, you can subscribe for a month, update the builder to whatever it's at then, download a bunch of dragon issues, and then unsubscribe and keep them. I'd suggest waiting until they update the builder with phb2 stuff before doing that though.

Metzger Meister

Hm. Once I get a job I might as well subscribe...

Abracadaniel

Kayne Red Robe wrote: »

Iroh wrote: »

Squall wrote: »

Like what?

Mostly nitpick stuff like how much easier it is to back out of combat without taking an attack of opportunity.

It just seemed to us that there were too many abusable changes that were made to make the game easier, but we never tested it in an actual game, so maybe it's unwarranted.

Pretty sure you still eat an Opportunity Attack (Attack of Opportunity, whatever), unless you shift (5-foot step) out of combat. I mean, I can understand wanting to play 3.5 still, the two are very different, but that's an odd thing to nitpick.

Especially considering that Fighters and Warlords and whatnot all have powers and abilities to counter monsters 'just running away'

Worst comes to worst, just have your Eladrin Rogue Fey Step (25ft teleport) behind them and STAB STAB STAB.

Moriveth

Smart Hero wrote: »

boneliness

So whenever the fuck WoTC gets their shit together and comes out with a working Virtual Tabletop, anybody wanna play?

Yessssssssss

Also I love the PHB2, and I am totally dualing my Warlock into a Sorcerer when I get the chance

Trying to convince Rachel to take some Invoker powers too