I am more reminded of the art of mid-nineties Image Comics.
There is something seriously wrong with her legs. I cannot for the life of me figure out what her legs are even doing. The same thing goes for her arms. And her breasts are preposterously huge.
And oh god the inking is horrible.
Start all over, learn the basics of human anatomy and just start all over again.
EDIT: looking at the background I find my brain contorting into horrible and uncomfortable shapes trying to comprehend what the fuck is actually going on.
I really can't figure out what is going on. At all. The body is fairly clear, but a lot of it is very dark, and then all the random lines around her arms/legs and the background are breaking up the image too much to make it visually appealing.
Also, her boobs are like grapefruits. Really big grapefruits.
If you want to get critiques on the character design, it'd probably be better to post a pencil sketch or pinup shot of them - here I just can't see her clearly enough.
Thats pretty badass, a cool pose and...what is that, a building in the background? i think its a building, am i right?
alright bro, here's the deal. Its not a bad drawing, but its got some issues, inking-wise and anatomy-wise. lets start with the inking. you went really fucking overboard on the metallic shine. So overboard that its stopped looking like metal and more like...well globs of ink.
now the wrappy things, you fucked up. the legs and arms are forshortened, poorly, and then you covered them up with apeshit toilet paper. But the thing is, you didn't even foreshorten the wraps. I mean i can see where you kinda tried. but the result looks like the paper is shifting in size rather than depth on the page.
the face...triangles for eyes, lines for nose and...very strange mouth. try putting some more detail in your faces, unless its some kind of mask...in which case still put for detail in them. this looks like a bad anime style knock off.
now your character itself. generic as hell. EXCEPT for the wrappy shit. Thats actually kinda cool, imo anyway. But you seem to be having trouble pulling it off.
anyways, its a cool angle/pose, but you've got your areas you need to work on to really make it work. also, for a character concept, you dont want too much dynamic foreshortening, cuz you need to know what your character actually looks like. Dont need a boring head on static pose, but you know, something that shows off more of the character and not just a cool pose. peace out.
I really can't figure out what is going on. At all.
Wut?
Falconire, this inking is just really nasty. There's no line variation, it's really jagged, and there's nasty red stuff all over the place. The big ass white bar is distracting the viewer's eyes from the girl and the anatomy and perspective are wrong.
I CAN tell you not to use those "triangle-pieces" for edging all your forms. That's typically only used to that extent when attempting to make something look metallic...and even THEN, it's not used in the way that you used it. It makes everything a billion times more confusing, especially on the [stomach?] area.
The breasts are huge. The stomach is non-existant. The hips are wrong. The legs make no sense...and unless she's the victim of a 12-gauge, you're going to need to get rid of that thing that looks like a gaping hole in her leg.
Also, what's with her arms/legs? Yeah, they're covered in....something....but what? The viewer has absolutely no idea. It looks like she had a horrible accident with masking tape. You also screwed up the forshortening everywhere.
You need to learn anatomy really bad. By which I mean, get a reference, because you need one. Don't draw this from your head, because it's clear you don't have much knowledge of the human form, and you need to absorb some material before you can hope to utilize it from memory.
Yeah, those breasts are all kinds of crazy. I don't think that the problem is that they are huge... rather that the rest of the body is REALLY tiny. Take her torso for example, is she wearing a corset?
To answer some of the questions; I was going for a metalic look for her skin and wanted her to appear somewhat strange to look at... Also the reason for the nose. I can see what you guys mean with the inking and that's something I'm going to change with my newer work. With the 'tape' as people are calling it, when I created the character I wanted her to have this wierd webish/shrapnel stuff that she uses to get around, sort of like spiderman's webs but crazy looking, thus the image.
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Reminds me a bit of Painkiller Jane. Kind of a cool idea but poorly executed. What I think a lot of neophyte artists fail to understand is that by directly copying other artists, all they manage to do is copy all the failings and flaws of that art.
Rather than develop their own style from the stable grounding of reality and transforming it in a unique way all their own, their style becomes nothing more than a hideous mockery of someone who likely at least put in the years of training to acquire those flaws and make them part of their own style, where its likely at least passable or functional. Liefeld aside.
Before moving onto dynamic posing Trinity's flying out of skyscrapers, maybe draw a few pictures of a guy standing or sitting so you know how stomach muscles actually contract or the perspective on a forward cast knee. When you've done a few thousand reasonable gestures, get back to me and I'll let you know how to move onto the exaggerated perspective of Kirby, Lee and if you prefer, Liefeld himself.
Ok, I drew up this piece yesterday. It's somewhat of a cover for a comic with two of my characters fighting in mid air. I drew it half for fun and half just to play around with improvements but I would like some advice from experianced inkers on how to do better crosshatching and overall when to shade and when not to.
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You really need to stop drawing and start reading Grey's Anatomy or some shit, because it seems as though your grasp on proportion and basic human anatomy is getting worse, exponentially, every minute.
Cut out the crappy, crappy drawings and start practicing drawing real people until you know what goes where and how long and thick it should be. Seriously, you haven't listened to a god damned thing any of us said.
Do not start with the inking until you can actually draw something.
Also, completely separate from everything else, your character designs are horribly bland and uninspired, as well as simply and utterly ridiculous in every way. They're very, very dumb.
You really need to stop drawing and start reading Grey's Anatomy or some shit, because it seems as though your grasp on proportion and basic human anatomy is getting worse, exponentially, every minute.
Cut out the crappy, crappy drawings and start practicing drawing real people until you know what goes where and how long and thick it should be. Seriously, you haven't listened to a god damned thing any of us said.
Do not start with the inking until you can actually draw something.
Also, completely separate from everything else, your character designs are horribly bland and uninspired, as well as simply and utterly ridiculous in every way. They're very, very dumb.
Constructive criticism is one thing but being a jack ass in another, dude. I understand that you don't like it and I know it's not by far a perfect drawing or anything but bashing it without giving reason is nothing but infintile. Now as an artist if you can offer some suggestive changes then do so, but don't be an asshole since nobody takes advice from assholes.
You really need to stop drawing and start reading Grey's Anatomy or some shit, because it seems as though your grasp on proportion and basic human anatomy is getting worse, exponentially, every minute.
Cut out the crappy, crappy drawings and start practicing drawing real people until you know what goes where and how long and thick it should be. Seriously, you haven't listened to a god damned thing any of us said.
Do not start with the inking until you can actually draw something.
Also, completely separate from everything else, your character designs are horribly bland and uninspired, as well as simply and utterly ridiculous in every way. They're very, very dumb.
Constructive criticism is one thing but being a jack ass in another, dude. I understand that you don't like it and I know it's not by far a perfect drawing or anything but bashing it without giving reason is nothing but infintile. Now as an artist if you can offer some suggestive changes then do so, but don't be an asshole since nobody takes advice from assholes.
Man, he did give a reason as to why he didn't like what you were drawing. In fact he gave more than one.
Look, people told you before you posted this last drawing to go look up anatomy and have refrences for when you draw, etc. And with this last little showing, I think we can all pretty much assume that you didn't any of those things.
And if you did use refrences when you drew this latest picture, you really really REALLY messed it up pretty badly. I seriously can't tell what the hell is going on in this last one either--which also seems to be the general concensus around here.
Seriously though, stop trying to draw new characters and more action scenes and go work on a ton of studies adn the things other people suggested. Download the Loomis pdf from the questions/discussion thread and study it like crazy.
whether I choose to read grey's anatomy or not is my own business. I do appreciate the suggestion but that's not what I was talking about here. The problem I had here was having my work called 'shit' instead of someone saying what's wrong with it with examples. This is a critic forum and I'm looking for actual critic here and how to make it better, so I don't continue to make the same mistakes twice.
You're biggest mistake would be "Choosing not to look at grey's anatomy" because its "Your own business." You'll continue to make the same mistakes as art is built on learning large skills and concepts like anatomy and composition before the nit picking helps at all. What you're asking for wont help you.
whether I choose to read grey's anatomy or not is my own business. I do appreciate the suggestion but that's not what I was talking about here. The problem I had here was having my work called 'shit' instead of someone saying what's wrong with it with examples. This is a critic forum and I'm looking for actual critic here and how to make it better, so I don't continue to make the same mistakes twice.
Then don't read it, but get your hands one SOMETHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANATOMY. Otherwise don't bother posting this kinda of stuff over and over, because after a while, all you're going to get are hostile reactions. Especially if people know your art is lacking simply because you are not motivated enough to put in the effort to learn something new.
It works wonders when you know what the skeletal structure of a bodie is, and how the muscles are filled in on top. Also how the body moves is a great thing to know. Proportions aren't a bad thing to learn eaither.
Spectre-X wrote this, and I can't say I disagree:
it seems as though your grasp on proportion and basic human anatomy is getting worse, exponentially, every minute.
Cut out the crappy, crappy drawings and start practicing drawing real people until you know what goes where and how long and thick it should be. Seriously, you haven't listened to a god damned thing any of us said.
Do not start with the inking until you can actually draw something.
He didn't just say your work was shit. He told you what you need to do in order to get better.
Just because you don't like how he said it doesn't make it any less true.
Also, you DID make the same mistake twice (if not even worse the second time around) after people here told you what you most need to work on. And at that, it doesn't even look like you ATTEMPTED to even TRY and fix what was wrong.
Now stop kavetching and go do some studies on anatomy. LOOMIS WOULD HELP YOU GREATLY.
I really wish he was up to defend himself, I'm bored but too excited to sleep, So i'm not really trying to derail the thread. Spex is being snarky, but honestly, I cant tell what the last image is, its bad heading to rob liefeld if he doesn't start trying to fix issues where the base fundamentals are.
I really wish he was up to defend himself, I'm bored but too excited to sleep, So i'm not really trying to derail the thread. Spex is being snarky, but honestly, I cant tell what the last image is, its bad heading to rob liefeld if he doesn't start trying to fix issues where the base fundamentals are.
whether I choose to read grey's anatomy or not is my own business. I do appreciate the suggestion but that's not what I was talking about here. The problem I had here was having my work called 'shit' instead of someone saying what's wrong with it with examples. This is a critic forum and I'm looking for actual critic here and how to make it better, so I don't continue to make the same mistakes twice.
CRITIQUE
CRITIQUE
CRITIQUE
NOT "CRITIC"
CHRIST
ALSO, PEOPLE HAVE TOLD YOU WHAT IS WRONG. YOU'RE THE DUMBFUCK THAT ISNT' LISTENING.
I really wish he was up to defend himself, I'm bored but too excited to sleep, So i'm not really trying to derail the thread. Spex is being snarky, but honestly, I cant tell what the last image is, its bad heading to rob liefeld if he doesn't start trying to fix issues where the base fundamentals are.
I am here! Your dog had it coming! He bit me!
And a little respect for my OMEGA BEAMS please.
And I am merely tired of people who come here for advice but don't even bother to take any of it, as though it were beneath them or some shit. That is fucking terrible, and I cannot stand it.
I really wish he was up to defend himself, I'm bored but too excited to sleep, So i'm not really trying to derail the thread. Spex is being snarky, but honestly, I cant tell what the last image is, its bad heading to rob liefeld if he doesn't start trying to fix issues where the base fundamentals are.
I am here! Your dog had it coming! He bit me!
And a little respect for my OMEGA BEAMS please.
And I am merely tired of people who come here for advice but don't even bother to take any of it, as though it were beneath them or some shit. That is fucking terrible, and I cannot stand it.
Well considering your very first post was complete dickery, you didn't really give him a chance to take any advice. You thought it would be a great idea to be the least civil person on earth.
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There is something seriously wrong with her legs. I cannot for the life of me figure out what her legs are even doing. The same thing goes for her arms. And her breasts are preposterously huge.
And oh god the inking is horrible.
Start all over, learn the basics of human anatomy and just start all over again.
EDIT: looking at the background I find my brain contorting into horrible and uncomfortable shapes trying to comprehend what the fuck is actually going on.
I really can't figure out what is going on. At all. The body is fairly clear, but a lot of it is very dark, and then all the random lines around her arms/legs and the background are breaking up the image too much to make it visually appealing.
Also, her boobs are like grapefruits. Really big grapefruits.
If you want to get critiques on the character design, it'd probably be better to post a pencil sketch or pinup shot of them - here I just can't see her clearly enough.
alright bro, here's the deal. Its not a bad drawing, but its got some issues, inking-wise and anatomy-wise. lets start with the inking. you went really fucking overboard on the metallic shine. So overboard that its stopped looking like metal and more like...well globs of ink.
now the wrappy things, you fucked up. the legs and arms are forshortened, poorly, and then you covered them up with apeshit toilet paper. But the thing is, you didn't even foreshorten the wraps. I mean i can see where you kinda tried. but the result looks like the paper is shifting in size rather than depth on the page.
the face...triangles for eyes, lines for nose and...very strange mouth. try putting some more detail in your faces, unless its some kind of mask...in which case still put for detail in them. this looks like a bad anime style knock off.
now your character itself. generic as hell. EXCEPT for the wrappy shit. Thats actually kinda cool, imo anyway. But you seem to be having trouble pulling it off.
anyways, its a cool angle/pose, but you've got your areas you need to work on to really make it work. also, for a character concept, you dont want too much dynamic foreshortening, cuz you need to know what your character actually looks like. Dont need a boring head on static pose, but you know, something that shows off more of the character and not just a cool pose. peace out.
Wut?
Falconire, this inking is just really nasty. There's no line variation, it's really jagged, and there's nasty red stuff all over the place. The big ass white bar is distracting the viewer's eyes from the girl and the anatomy and perspective are wrong.
I CAN tell you not to use those "triangle-pieces" for edging all your forms. That's typically only used to that extent when attempting to make something look metallic...and even THEN, it's not used in the way that you used it. It makes everything a billion times more confusing, especially on the [stomach?] area.
The breasts are huge. The stomach is non-existant. The hips are wrong. The legs make no sense...and unless she's the victim of a 12-gauge, you're going to need to get rid of that thing that looks like a gaping hole in her leg.
Also, what's with her arms/legs? Yeah, they're covered in....something....but what? The viewer has absolutely no idea. It looks like she had a horrible accident with masking tape. You also screwed up the forshortening everywhere.
You need to learn anatomy really bad. By which I mean, get a reference, because you need one. Don't draw this from your head, because it's clear you don't have much knowledge of the human form, and you need to absorb some material before you can hope to utilize it from memory.
Rather than develop their own style from the stable grounding of reality and transforming it in a unique way all their own, their style becomes nothing more than a hideous mockery of someone who likely at least put in the years of training to acquire those flaws and make them part of their own style, where its likely at least passable or functional. Liefeld aside.
Before moving onto dynamic posing Trinity's flying out of skyscrapers, maybe draw a few pictures of a guy standing or sitting so you know how stomach muscles actually contract or the perspective on a forward cast knee. When you've done a few thousand reasonable gestures, get back to me and I'll let you know how to move onto the exaggerated perspective of Kirby, Lee and if you prefer, Liefeld himself.
Congratulations.
Not really. The character has nothing to do with spider-man, other than the shrapnel/webbing effect.
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Cut out the crappy, crappy drawings and start practicing drawing real people until you know what goes where and how long and thick it should be. Seriously, you haven't listened to a god damned thing any of us said.
Do not start with the inking until you can actually draw something.
Also, completely separate from everything else, your character designs are horribly bland and uninspired, as well as simply and utterly ridiculous in every way. They're very, very dumb.
Fixed
It took a while for me to even figure out where the second figure in the drawing was.
That's not good.
I couldnt see it till your butt comment. Not good at all.
OH
Okay, now I see what's going on.
I think.
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Constructive criticism is one thing but being a jack ass in another, dude. I understand that you don't like it and I know it's not by far a perfect drawing or anything but bashing it without giving reason is nothing but infintile. Now as an artist if you can offer some suggestive changes then do so, but don't be an asshole since nobody takes advice from assholes.
Man, he did give a reason as to why he didn't like what you were drawing. In fact he gave more than one.
Look, people told you before you posted this last drawing to go look up anatomy and have refrences for when you draw, etc. And with this last little showing, I think we can all pretty much assume that you didn't any of those things.
And if you did use refrences when you drew this latest picture, you really really REALLY messed it up pretty badly. I seriously can't tell what the hell is going on in this last one either--which also seems to be the general concensus around here.
Seriously though, stop trying to draw new characters and more action scenes and go work on a ton of studies adn the things other people suggested. Download the Loomis pdf from the questions/discussion thread and study it like crazy.
Then don't read it, but get your hands one SOMETHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANATOMY. Otherwise don't bother posting this kinda of stuff over and over, because after a while, all you're going to get are hostile reactions. Especially if people know your art is lacking simply because you are not motivated enough to put in the effort to learn something new.
It works wonders when you know what the skeletal structure of a bodie is, and how the muscles are filled in on top. Also how the body moves is a great thing to know. Proportions aren't a bad thing to learn eaither.
Spectre-X wrote this, and I can't say I disagree:
it seems as though your grasp on proportion and basic human anatomy is getting worse, exponentially, every minute.
Cut out the crappy, crappy drawings and start practicing drawing real people until you know what goes where and how long and thick it should be. Seriously, you haven't listened to a god damned thing any of us said.
Do not start with the inking until you can actually draw something.
He didn't just say your work was shit. He told you what you need to do in order to get better.
Just because you don't like how he said it doesn't make it any less true.
Also, you DID make the same mistake twice (if not even worse the second time around) after people here told you what you most need to work on. And at that, it doesn't even look like you ATTEMPTED to even TRY and fix what was wrong.
Now stop kavetching and go do some studies on anatomy. LOOMIS WOULD HELP YOU GREATLY.
How'd he try to do it? O.o
edit- no wait, it might have been teleportation eye beams.
I really wish he was up to defend himself, I'm bored but too excited to sleep, So i'm not really trying to derail the thread. Spex is being snarky, but honestly, I cant tell what the last image is, its bad heading to rob liefeld if he doesn't start trying to fix issues where the base fundamentals are.
Ahhh, the eye beams. It gets 'em every time.
CRITIQUE
CRITIQUE
CRITIQUE
NOT "CRITIC"
CHRIST
ALSO, PEOPLE HAVE TOLD YOU WHAT IS WRONG. YOU'RE THE DUMBFUCK THAT ISNT' LISTENING.
I am here! Your dog had it coming! He bit me!
And a little respect for my OMEGA BEAMS please.
And I am merely tired of people who come here for advice but don't even bother to take any of it, as though it were beneath them or some shit. That is fucking terrible, and I cannot stand it.
whatever. Hatari mauled you because you were being mean.