This idea of R v D is just fucking stupid. I'm conservative on some things, liberal on others and I suspect the same is true for most people. Why the fuck can't we develop a system that reflects the idea that *gasp* some things are not black or white and require nuance? I'm sick of binary thinking. I'm sick of people voting for the party and not the candidate.
The trick is that our population is still largely focused on single issues and a large portion of it isn't satisfied with the way the Civil War went.
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This idea of R v D is just fucking stupid. I'm conservative on some things, liberal on others and I suspect the same is true for most people. Why the fuck can't we develop a system that reflects the idea that *gasp* some things are not black or white and require nuance? I'm sick of binary thinking. I'm sick of people voting for the party and not the candidate.
The trick is that our population is still largely focused on single issues and a large portion of it isn't satisfied with the way the Civil War went.
And the subject of people living in the past brings us back to Michael Steele. Well done, Incenjucar.
I'm one of those people who's torn on the Republican party. On the one hand, one-party rule by the Democrats would likely be a disaster, if they weren't already so divided against each other.
On the other, the Republican party can't cut out the tumors because the actual party, though not necessarily people who vote for them, appear to be in the last stages of inoperable brain, lung, throat, pancreatic, liver, colon, heart, mouth, and eye cancer.
Oh, and it burns when they pee.
The Republican party will only become viable again in the near future in one of two situations, as I see it:
1) If the Democratic party is responsible for a massive screwup in a way more clearly linkable than "8 years of Bush policies after Clinton boom --> major recession". (I say more clearly linkable because economics is rarely that simple. The dismal science indeed.) In this scenario, Michael Steele stays on in a desperate attempt to keep them even semi-relevant, and his career is made largely through luck.
2) If the Republican party, and not to torture a metaphor too much, makes itself stronger by destroying itself. A mass revolt of the not-batshit-cuckoobananans people kicking out all the corrupt and deranged gasbags currently infesting the the upper echelons party hierarchy and an open disavowal of dead weight like Rush Limbaugh. Of course, rather than a revolt (I'm not too well-versed in the actual mechanics of the RNC) they would likely have to in fact leave the party en masse and create a new party so large that it relegates the Republicans to third-party status. The New Republicans, let's say. In this scenario, Michael Steele resigns and the party begins to further implode before the sane people I mentioned depart and set up a viable alternative to the Democrats. I would likely still not agree with these people, but I would at least be able to respect them and not think of them as pathetic.
There may be some slight hyperbole involved in these hypotheticals, but the basic thrust is the same.
On the other, the Republican party can't cut out the tumors because the actual party, though not necessarily people who vote for them, appear to be in the last stages of inoperable brain, lung, throat, pancreatic, liver, colon, heart, mouth, and eye cancer.
Oh, and it burns when they pee.
I notice there was no colon in that list. Also, nice gonorrhea joke. :winky:
On the other, the Republican party can't cut out the tumors because the actual party, though not necessarily people who vote for them, appear to be in the last stages of inoperable brain, lung, throat, pancreatic, liver, colon, heart, mouth, and eye cancer.
Oh, and it burns when they pee.
I notice there was no colon in that list. Also, nice gonorrhea joke. :winky:
...Y'know, I hate to be such an internet cliche, but...
On the other, the Republican party can't cut out the tumors because the actual party, though not necessarily people who vote for them, appear to be in the last stages of inoperable brain, lung, throat, pancreatic, liver, colon, heart, mouth, and eye cancer.
Oh, and it burns when they pee.
I notice there was no colon in that list. Also, nice gonorrhea joke. :winky:
...Y'know, I hate to be such an internet cliche, but...
O RLY?
Goddamnit I need to stop trying to think after 10 PM. And what makes it even more embarrassing is that in my original post your quoted colon and my typed colon were almost perfectly vertically aligned.
On the other, the Republican party can't cut out the tumors because the actual party, though not necessarily people who vote for them, appear to be in the last stages of the following inoperable cancers: brain, lung, throat, pancreatic, liver, colon, heart, mouth, and eye.
Oh, and it burns when they pee.
I notice there was no colon in that list.
Now there's a colon!
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I'll give you a :
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Symbolic of some of Steele's problems (i.e., Republicans denying reality or inventing it): Mark Sanford is suing the SC legislature for overturning his veto. Really, sir? Really? Don't you think there's a reason nobody has done this before? Maybe because it's fucking stupid?
The past few days I've been beating myself up and being generally depressed and ashamed of myself over Phalla-related issues.
Then I saw this and smiled for the first time in two days. Sanford, you magnificent bastard.
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Yeah, if that was true, then Cheney would be considered a veteran, which he's not.
GWB barely gets veteran status, because of his air-follies in the Texas Air National Guard.
Isn't actual deployment to a combat zone required to claim veteranship?
Nope, serving 2 years in the military gives you veteran status as well
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It would really piss me off to put in say, twenty years of service to my country, but not be able to call myself a veteran just because no one bothered to arrange a decent war during my tenure.
Aside from John McCain, how many Republicans and neocons were in the military
John Warner US Navy, Bush SR US Navy, Lindsay Grahm US Army, General Jones (who is working for Obama now) USMC, Bob Dole USN, Colin Powell US Army.
I'd also note that none of the above are idiots. Grahm can act like a fool at times, but the rest are pretty good guys.
I'd also note that they have all been bashed by Rush and CO for not being true Republicans. And you also don't see them on TV going "rawr Jesus"
Psh. Navy? Army? Marine Corps? Pussies. Not one of them was in the Space Marines. You cannot be a hawk if you haven't lived through the destruction of hordes of Tyranids in your power armor.
Unfortunately for the RNC, I'm not sure that the ad works without the infamous ending. Except for the old and the politically savvy, no one will know what the heck the little girl has to do with anything.
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Yeah, they parsed that ad so much it ceases to make any sense in context. If that was the goal, what they could have done was the girl counting up, the guy counting down, and then stock footage of a bunch of people streaming out of a prison that's had a hole put through the wall.
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Yeah, they parsed that ad so much it ceases to make any sense in context. If that was the goal, what they could have done was the girl counting up, the guy counting down, and then stock footage of a bunch of people streaming out of a prison that's had a hole put through the wall.
They should have just chanted FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR for 30 seconds. Same message.
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I can't believe people are still pulling this, "Who is Barack Obama?" shit, even after it failed to win them the election.
STEELE: The problem that we have with this president is that we don’t know [Obama]. He was not vetted, folks. … He was not vetted, because the press fell in love with the black man running for the office. “Oh gee, wouldn’t it be neat to do that? Gee, wouldn’t it make all of our liberal guilt just go away? We can continue to ride around in our limousines and feel so lucky to live in an America with a black president.” Okay that’s wonderful, great scenario, nice backdrop. But what does he stand for? What does he believe? … So we don’t know. We just don’t know.
I have a bad feeling they'll still be using that line in the next election. "Sure, he's been president for 4 years, but do we really KNOW him? Do we REALLY? He has very limited executive experience..."
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As much as Obama's prior gallivanting around with Bill Ayers and the like didn't exactly warm my heart, I hardly think it has much to do with his tenure as President. You can really only judge a guy's aptitude as he performs, not on what you think he might do in hypothetical situation.
Of course, I say the same to people when they mention how Bush managing the Rangers was poor qualification, as well.
Funny thing is, I think there's ample opportunity for the GOP to find footing to regain some lost ground here, should they decide to ditch the churchies, get back to libertarian fiscal policy, and compromise with the Dems over certain points on issues they share beliefs in. Instead, it seems that all factions within are trying to race as fast as they can to marginalize themselves. This country has always done best with equal representation between parties, but I can't honestly say that right now half the country even remotely relates to the GOP. The "Religious Zealot" and "Corporate Wealth" slivers of the American Venn Diagram are pretty slim.
That Bill Ayers stuff was bullshit through and through. Obama was friends with the guy long after he stopped doing that stuff, and in fact became a respected professor in that community.
Funny thing is, I think there's ample opportunity for the GOP to find footing to regain some lost ground here, should they decide to ditch the churchies, get back to libertarian fiscal policy, and compromise with the Dems over certain points on issues they share beliefs in. Instead, it seems that all factions within are trying to race as fast as they can to marginalize themselves. This country has always done best with equal representation between parties, but I can't honestly say that right now half the country even remotely relates to the GOP. The "Religious Zealot" and "Corporate Wealth" slivers of the American Venn Diagram are pretty slim.
I was thinking about this... you know, even just before the election (what with Joe and Palin and all) there was considerable muttering about the break between the neocons and the religious right. And after they lost the muttering just got louder and louder. It doesn't help that Republican leaders have to keep bringing the topic up to emphasise their unity; that they have to bring the topic up at all exacerbates the problem.
So I suspect that at least some of the apparent rush towards the extreme is a show of strength: both factions want to show how much support they have among GOP members, so they need to whip up their base even if it alienates the mainstream and shrinks the party. The presumption here might be that the other factions have too much party loyalty to leave en masse, so after they dominate the other factions they can use the party infrastructure to move back towards the center.
But in the meanwhile it's going to be a lot of insanity while factions try to show how strong they are. And part of that is saying insane things and still getting your supporters to cheer for you, I guess.
Yeah, if that was true, then Cheney would be considered a veteran, which he's not.
GWB barely gets veteran status, because of his air-follies in the Texas Air National Guard.
Isn't actual deployment to a combat zone required to claim citizenship?
I read your post like the above. My first thought was "Holy shit. We're closer to Starship Troopers than I thought."
Once women start enlisting so they can earn permission to have children, we'll be closer to that sort of horrifying negative utopia, even without asteroids hitting Earth.
I can't believe people are still pulling this, "Who is Barack Obama?" shit, even after it failed to win them the election.
STEELE: The problem that we have with this president is that we don’t know [Obama]. He was not vetted, folks. … He was not vetted, because the press fell in love with the black man running for the office. “Oh gee, wouldn’t it be neat to do that? Gee, wouldn’t it make all of our liberal guilt just go away? We can continue to ride around in our limousines and feel so lucky to live in an America with a black president.†Okay that’s wonderful, great scenario, nice backdrop. But what does he stand for? What does he believe? … So we don’t know. We just don’t know.
It would really piss me off to put in say, twenty years of service to my country, but not be able to call myself a veteran just because no one bothered to arrange a decent war during my tenure.
Do you honestly belive that it's possible to serve twenty years in the US military and not once go into a hot zone?
I can't believe people are still pulling this, "Who is Barack Obama?" shit, even after it failed to win them the election.
STEELE: The problem that we have with this president is that we don’t know [Obama]. He was not vetted, folks. … He was not vetted, because the press fell in love with the black man running for the office. “Oh gee, wouldn’t it be neat to do that? Gee, wouldn’t it make all of our liberal guilt just go away? We can continue to ride around in our limousines and feel so lucky to live in an America with a black president.†Okay that’s wonderful, great scenario, nice backdrop. But what does he stand for? What does he believe? … So we don’t know. We just don’t know.
Once women start enlisting so they can earn permission to have children, we'll be closer to that sort of horrifying negative utopia, even without asteroids hitting Earth.
I'm not sure where you get that from, it isn't in Starship Troopers.
It would really piss me off to put in say, twenty years of service to my country, but not be able to call myself a veteran just because no one bothered to arrange a decent war during my tenure.
Do you honestly belive that it's possible to serve twenty years in the US military and not once go into hot zone?
I know a decent number of members of the USAF that have either done this or are well on their way. Satellite Intelligence and Meteorology folks don't get up close and personal unless something's gone horribly wrong.
Once women start enlisting so they can earn permission to have children, we'll be closer to that sort of horrifying negative utopia, even without asteroids hitting Earth.
I'm not sure where you get that from, it isn't in Starship Troopers.
It's in the movie. The girl with the short hair says that she joined up because she wants to have a baby.
Perhaps you were distracted because it was the shower scene.:winky:
Who is Barack Obama? He's the goddamn Batman, that's who.
You know it's true.
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STEELE: The problem that we have with this president is that we don’t know [Obama]. He was not vetted, folks. … He was not vetted, because the press fell in love with the black man running for the office. “Oh gee, wouldn’t it be neat to do that? Gee, wouldn’t it make all of our liberal guilt just go away? We can continue to ride around in our limousines and feel so lucky to live in an America with a black president.†Okay that’s wonderful, great scenario, nice backdrop. But what does he stand for? What does he believe? … So we don’t know. We just don’t know.
Wow, the racial perspective there is really gross.
It would really piss me off to put in say, twenty years of service to my country, but not be able to call myself a veteran just because no one bothered to arrange a decent war during my tenure.
Do you honestly belive that it's possible to serve twenty years in the US military and not once go into hot zone?
I know a decent number of members of the USAF that have either done this or are well on their way. Satellite Intelligence and Meteorology folks don't get up close and personal unless something's gone horribly wrong.
As of 2005, only 1.5% of the USAF Acquisitions officers (scientists, engineers, project managers) were stationed overseas. I'm not sure how many had deployments, but I know those are considered opportunities and seized by the most senior officers. Even then, they will likely have a staff assignment the entire time.
I can't believe people are still pulling this, "Who is Barack Obama?" shit, even after it failed to win them the election.
STEELE: The problem that we have with this president is that we don’t know [Obama]. He was not vetted, folks. … He was not vetted, because the press fell in love with the black man running for the office. “Oh gee, wouldn’t it be neat to do that? Gee, wouldn’t it make all of our liberal guilt just go away? We can continue to ride around in our limousines and feel so lucky to live in an America with a black president.†Okay that’s wonderful, great scenario, nice backdrop. But what does he stand for? What does he believe? … So we don’t know. We just don’t know.
It would really piss me off to put in say, twenty years of service to my country, but not be able to call myself a veteran just because no one bothered to arrange a decent war during my tenure.
Do you honestly belive that it's possible to serve twenty years in the US military and not once go into a hot zone?
I remember reading that for every soldier in the frontlines there is 10 suport personell(now if I can only remember where? Only place I remember is STARSHIP TROOPERS cite, but I have read it elsewhere).
This is not hard when you consider that medical, logistics and administration are all part of the army, but no where near the front line.
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The trick is that our population is still largely focused on single issues and a large portion of it isn't satisfied with the way the Civil War went.
And the subject of people living in the past brings us back to Michael Steele. Well done, Incenjucar.
I'm one of those people who's torn on the Republican party. On the one hand, one-party rule by the Democrats would likely be a disaster, if they weren't already so divided against each other.
On the other, the Republican party can't cut out the tumors because the actual party, though not necessarily people who vote for them, appear to be in the last stages of inoperable brain, lung, throat, pancreatic, liver, colon, heart, mouth, and eye cancer.
Oh, and it burns when they pee.
The Republican party will only become viable again in the near future in one of two situations, as I see it:
1) If the Democratic party is responsible for a massive screwup in a way more clearly linkable than "8 years of Bush policies after Clinton boom --> major recession". (I say more clearly linkable because economics is rarely that simple. The dismal science indeed.) In this scenario, Michael Steele stays on in a desperate attempt to keep them even semi-relevant, and his career is made largely through luck.
2) If the Republican party, and not to torture a metaphor too much, makes itself stronger by destroying itself. A mass revolt of the not-batshit-cuckoobananans people kicking out all the corrupt and deranged gasbags currently infesting the the upper echelons party hierarchy and an open disavowal of dead weight like Rush Limbaugh. Of course, rather than a revolt (I'm not too well-versed in the actual mechanics of the RNC) they would likely have to in fact leave the party en masse and create a new party so large that it relegates the Republicans to third-party status. The New Republicans, let's say. In this scenario, Michael Steele resigns and the party begins to further implode before the sane people I mentioned depart and set up a viable alternative to the Democrats. I would likely still not agree with these people, but I would at least be able to respect them and not think of them as pathetic.
There may be some slight hyperbole involved in these hypotheticals, but the basic thrust is the same.
I notice there was no colon in that list. Also, nice gonorrhea joke. :winky:
...Y'know, I hate to be such an internet cliche, but...
O RLY?
Goddamnit I need to stop trying to think after 10 PM. And what makes it even more embarrassing is that in my original post your quoted colon and my typed colon were almost perfectly vertically aligned.
Now there's a colon!
Then I saw this and smiled for the first time in two days. Sanford, you magnificent bastard.
Nope, serving 2 years in the military gives you veteran status as well
Psh. Navy? Army? Marine Corps? Pussies. Not one of them was in the Space Marines. You cannot be a hawk if you haven't lived through the destruction of hordes of Tyranids in your power armor.
I read your post like the above. My first thought was "Holy shit. We're closer to Starship Troopers than I thought."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7qkEholuT8
Unfortunately for the RNC, I'm not sure that the ad works without the infamous ending. Except for the old and the politically savvy, no one will know what the heck the little girl has to do with anything.
They should have just chanted FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR for 30 seconds. Same message.
Calling him a socialist didn't work, so now he's suddenly an enigma again. I think that's just Steele's way of saying they've temporarily run out of insults.
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As much as Obama's prior gallivanting around with Bill Ayers and the like didn't exactly warm my heart, I hardly think it has much to do with his tenure as President. You can really only judge a guy's aptitude as he performs, not on what you think he might do in hypothetical situation.
Of course, I say the same to people when they mention how Bush managing the Rangers was poor qualification, as well.
Funny thing is, I think there's ample opportunity for the GOP to find footing to regain some lost ground here, should they decide to ditch the churchies, get back to libertarian fiscal policy, and compromise with the Dems over certain points on issues they share beliefs in. Instead, it seems that all factions within are trying to race as fast as they can to marginalize themselves. This country has always done best with equal representation between parties, but I can't honestly say that right now half the country even remotely relates to the GOP. The "Religious Zealot" and "Corporate Wealth" slivers of the American Venn Diagram are pretty slim.
Oh, they always do. But they also always come up with reasons why, at the time, they just can't.
I was thinking about this... you know, even just before the election (what with Joe and Palin and all) there was considerable muttering about the break between the neocons and the religious right. And after they lost the muttering just got louder and louder. It doesn't help that Republican leaders have to keep bringing the topic up to emphasise their unity; that they have to bring the topic up at all exacerbates the problem.
So I suspect that at least some of the apparent rush towards the extreme is a show of strength: both factions want to show how much support they have among GOP members, so they need to whip up their base even if it alienates the mainstream and shrinks the party. The presumption here might be that the other factions have too much party loyalty to leave en masse, so after they dominate the other factions they can use the party infrastructure to move back towards the center.
But in the meanwhile it's going to be a lot of insanity while factions try to show how strong they are. And part of that is saying insane things and still getting your supporters to cheer for you, I guess.
[/tentative political hypothesizing]
Once women start enlisting so they can earn permission to have children, we'll be closer to that sort of horrifying negative utopia, even without asteroids hitting Earth.
Next thing you know, Steele will be calling him "B. Hussein" and asking for his real birth certificate :?
Laura Ingraham suggested to the Anapolis grads that they try to aim for the President with their caps after they throw them in the air.
Then she said she was joking.
I'm not sure where you get that from, it isn't in Starship Troopers.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
It's in the movie. The girl with the short hair says that she joined up because she wants to have a baby.
Perhaps you were distracted because it was the shower scene.:winky:
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
You know it's true.
Wow, the racial perspective there is really gross.
As of 2005, only 1.5% of the USAF Acquisitions officers (scientists, engineers, project managers) were stationed overseas. I'm not sure how many had deployments, but I know those are considered opportunities and seized by the most senior officers. Even then, they will likely have a staff assignment the entire time.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
What movie?
...yes?
Easily possible in fact
This is not hard when you consider that medical, logistics and administration are all part of the army, but no where near the front line.
The Starship Troopers movie.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation