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Bruno: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Fabulous Fashion of Austria

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  • Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis Registered User
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  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    Zoolander wrote: »
    also showed him to be a homophobe
    it was already known he was a racist and a homophobe so icing on the cake, etc

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Evander wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Dublo7 wrote: »
    man I don't know, borat worked, but homophobia is still very relevant and I'm kinda thinking this movie will encourage it more than stop it

    My sentiments exactly. Cretins aren't going to watch this and think, "Oh man, homophobia is silly!", they're just going to think, "lol look at that faggot waving his knob about... gaaaay"

    Because an entertainment movie MUST serve a larger social purpose!

    It totally doesn't have to, but it does make it worse if it serves the purpose of enabling discrimination against a group of people

    How many Black Comedies (racial, not tone) do you think care about that?
    You don't see a difference in a comdedy made by a subset of people making fun of that subset, and a comedy making fun of a subset without being part of it?
    Brüno as a racial comedy would be a white guy in blackface making fun of blacks, for example.

    So you're saying that if a gay guy made the same exact movie it would have been okay?

    Why? Because it's "empowering"?

    You compared it to black comedies, which is not a sound comparison imo, which I tried to show. I'm not going to argue for your invalid comparison :P

    Of course it would be something else if it was made by a gay guy, or do you somehow refuse the notion that a group can empower itself by trying to ridicule negative stereotypes/words attached to them?

    Of course I don't.

    But I ALSO don't ascribe to the notion that the labels given to a person change EVERYTHING about what they are saying.

    Empowerment does not SOLELY come from within.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Evander wrote: »
    I'm just saying, if you want to get all hoighty-toighty, and discuss the cultural ramifications of a stupid comedy movie, I'm happy to match you.



    At the end of the day, you're being an idiot, because the type of people who you think would have their homophobic stereotypes reinforced aren't going to sit through an opening scene of dude-on-dude anal-play, much less the tons of other explicit content in the movie.

    Even a "stupid comedy movie" has impact. Do you really think there aren't going to be any people watching this movie, thinking "Haha, fags, they're so silly! And disgusting!"?

    And those people are sitting through the opening scene? (Let alone the focus group...)

    You are INVENTING scenarios in order to be outraged.

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  • TardTard Registered User
    rabble rabble

  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Zoolander wrote: »
    also showed him to be a homophobe
    it was already known he was a racist and a homophobe so icing on the cake, etc

    not even icing.

    Old man using the word "queer" doesn't mean shit.

    And most folks, including plenty of dudes who actually ARE gay would have left the room at the point where a strange man starts disrobing.



    I'm no fan of Ron Paul, but that was really the low-point of the movie.

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  • Randall_FlaggRandall_Flagg Registered User
    I thought it was pretty funny

    mostly because of the joke at the end that Bruno thought he was making a sex tape with RuPaul

  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] Registered User regular
    Yeah, I mean, don't even gay people use the term queer now?

    Isn't it GLBTQ?

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    and Queer Studies



    it may not be the most socially acceptable word (perhaps it could be likened to the word "negro") but it also isn't a 100% derogatory term.

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Evander wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    I'm just saying, if you want to get all hoighty-toighty, and discuss the cultural ramifications of a stupid comedy movie, I'm happy to match you.



    At the end of the day, you're being an idiot, because the type of people who you think would have their homophobic stereotypes reinforced aren't going to sit through an opening scene of dude-on-dude anal-play, much less the tons of other explicit content in the movie.

    Even a "stupid comedy movie" has impact. Do you really think there aren't going to be any people watching this movie, thinking "Haha, fags, they're so silly! And disgusting!"?

    And those people are sitting through the opening scene? (Let alone the focus group...)

    You are INVENTING scenarios in order to be outraged.

    Of course they are sitting through the opening scene. How many people watch things that they find disgusting to amuse themselves? I really think the idea that someone might not sit through an opening scene where he plays "that disgusting homo", when the person wants to watch a film ridiculing "disgusting homos", a tad naive.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Evander wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    I'm just saying, if you want to get all hoighty-toighty, and discuss the cultural ramifications of a stupid comedy movie, I'm happy to match you.



    At the end of the day, you're being an idiot, because the type of people who you think would have their homophobic stereotypes reinforced aren't going to sit through an opening scene of dude-on-dude anal-play, much less the tons of other explicit content in the movie.

    Even a "stupid comedy movie" has impact. Do you really think there aren't going to be any people watching this movie, thinking "Haha, fags, they're so silly! And disgusting!"?

    And those people are sitting through the opening scene? (Let alone the focus group...)

    You are INVENTING scenarios in order to be outraged.

    Of course they are sitting through the opening scene. How many people watch things that they find disgusting to amuse themselves? I really think the idea that someone might not sit through an opening scene where he plays "that disgusting homo", when the person wants to watch a film ridiculing "disgusting homos", a tad naive.

    So, your mythological homo-hater has absolutely ZERO problem watching a man drink champagne out of another man's ass, or a talking erect penis.

    But he's also going to walk out of that movie having been convinced to hate gays MORE than he did previously?

    Who is being naive here, man?

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot Registered User regular
    Is there any way I can watch just the focus group/meatspin scene? Is it on YouTube or something yet? I was in the theatre with my older brother on one side of me and my boyfriend on the other and I just had to avert my eyes and watch in little peeks, so I missed
    Spoiler:

    Honestly the focus group scene was the best part of the movie, with the rest being low-to-middling

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Evander wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    I'm just saying, if you want to get all hoighty-toighty, and discuss the cultural ramifications of a stupid comedy movie, I'm happy to match you.



    At the end of the day, you're being an idiot, because the type of people who you think would have their homophobic stereotypes reinforced aren't going to sit through an opening scene of dude-on-dude anal-play, much less the tons of other explicit content in the movie.

    Even a "stupid comedy movie" has impact. Do you really think there aren't going to be any people watching this movie, thinking "Haha, fags, they're so silly! And disgusting!"?

    And those people are sitting through the opening scene? (Let alone the focus group...)

    You are INVENTING scenarios in order to be outraged.

    Of course they are sitting through the opening scene. How many people watch things that they find disgusting to amuse themselves? I really think the idea that someone might not sit through an opening scene where he plays "that disgusting homo", when the person wants to watch a film ridiculing "disgusting homos", a tad naive.

    So, your mythological homo-hater has absolutely ZERO problem watching a man drink champagne out of another man's ass, or a talking erect penis.

    But he's also going to walk out of that movie having been convinced to hate gays MORE than he did previously?

    Who is being naive here, man?
    I think that's pretty clear!

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Queer Eye does much more to set back gays.

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Which of course doesn't excuse a thing, does it?

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    What thing needs to be excused?

    Does Bruno need your permission to talk about gay dudes?

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Obviously I meant that one show "setting back gays" doesn't excuse the movie doing so.
    And you said yourself, "Queer Eye does much more to set back gays.", which means that you accept that it does set them back.
    So why should I support such a movie by actions or words?

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  • FubearFubear Registered User
    i think Bruno was funny

    can we all agree on that instead of having the summer semester of high school debate up in here

    No, because I want to argue poorly thought-out hyperbole on a section of American culture that I have little to no relation to and have read nothing about.

    I'd rather be outraged at this movie, which I haven't seen, than admit it does anything so beneficial as to initiate conversation about these torrid subjects.

    And the humor of an Orthodox Jewish man pretending to be an anti-Semite is lost on me.

    Loklar wrote: »
    I wouldn't trust the government to be able to distinguish between what's a secret and what makes them look bad.
  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Those are pretty stupid ideas Fubear, luckily, they are not in the slightest related to mine!

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    you guys are a bunch of faggots

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Projeck wrote: »
    you guys are a bunch of faggots

    takes one to know one

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    I heard there was buttsex in here?

    am I wrong?




    ok I'll leave now

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  • FubearFubear Registered User
    Those are pretty stupid ideas Fubear, luckily, they are not in the slightest related to mine!


    That's great! Can we be friends? :)

    And by that, I mean straight friends who talk about manly things like working out, football and wrestling. Mama Fu dint raise no queer.

    Loklar wrote: »
    I wouldn't trust the government to be able to distinguish between what's a secret and what makes them look bad.
  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    I'm at least 23% gay, so no :(

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Obviously I meant that one show "setting back gays" doesn't excuse the movie doing so.
    And you said yourself, "Queer Eye does much more to set back gays.", which means that you accept that it does set them back.
    So why should I support such a movie by actions or words?

    Where was I asking you to support Bruno?

    I was merely commenting that you come off as a freshman college student who just realized that the world has different kinds of people, when you try to complain about the movie not being "responsible" enough.

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Evander wrote: »
    Obviously I meant that one show "setting back gays" doesn't excuse the movie doing so.
    And you said yourself, "Queer Eye does much more to set back gays.", which means that you accept that it does set them back.
    So why should I support such a movie by actions or words?

    Where was I asking you to support Bruno?

    I was merely commenting that you come off as a freshman college student who just realized that the world has different kinds of people, when you try to complain about the movie not being "responsible" enough.

    Your words form sentences, but those sentences form no coherent thoughts relevant to the discussion at hand. It's nice to see that you're out of arguments though.
    To remind you how all this started: I said this movie was enabling homophobia, to which you replied "nuh uh, black comedies are way worse!", a pretty obvious attempt to steer the discussion away from the subject, which I even follwed.
    Then you tried to argue that this movie is ridiculing gays SO MUCH, homophobes are just not going to be able to cope with all the icky ridiculing and just cry their eyes out, missing the rest of the movie.
    Now you're resorting to a pretty petty personal attack, which at least shows that you're out of ideas.

    You started with the idea that an entertainment movie does not have to serve a higher purpose, which is a pretty naive idea, because almost anything serves a higher purpose, whether intended or not.
    Now you're calling me a freshman, because I'm not seing the big picture?
    Please.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    Wally, ARE you a college freshman?

    Did I strike a nerve?

    I'm sowwy.

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  • FubearFubear Registered User
    You started with the idea that an entertainment movie does not have to serve a higher purpose, which is a pretty naive idea, because almost anything serves a higher purpose, whether intended or not.

    On that note, what higher purpose does Beer For My Horses serve?

    What about the ______ Movie series/wretched conglomeration? I mean, besides instigating and/or provoking suicides.

    I am not being facetious or feces-tious. I honestly have thought long and hard about why this dreck exists in a universe that is not inherently flawed.

    Loklar wrote: »
    I wouldn't trust the government to be able to distinguish between what's a secret and what makes them look bad.
  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Chareth Cutestory Lawyer of the SeaRegistered User regular
    Fubear wrote: »
    You started with the idea that an entertainment movie does not have to serve a higher purpose, which is a pretty naive idea, because almost anything serves a higher purpose, whether intended or not.

    On that note, what higher purpose does Beer For My Horses serve?

    Raising up glasses against evil forces.

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  • bongibongi Awaiting Email Confirmation
    Evander is the worst arguer in the history of the internet and that is saying something.

  • FubearFubear Registered User
    Fubear wrote: »
    You started with the idea that an entertainment movie does not have to serve a higher purpose, which is a pretty naive idea, because almost anything serves a higher purpose, whether intended or not.

    On that note, what higher purpose does Beer For My Horses serve?

    Raising up glasses against evil forces.


    We waited until 2008 to make a decision what we're supposed to do with our beer against evil forces?

    How often did we have to go back to the goddamn drawing board to come up with 'Raising up glasses against evil forces.' this goddamn late in the game?


    bongi wrote: »
    Evander is the worst arguer in the history of the internet and that is saying something.

    Somewhere else, as yet unbeknownst to us, is someone even worse, congealing in a rancid gutter, with the deductive capabilities of Bizarro Batman and a grasp of the English language on par with that guy who wrote the Half-Life 2: Full-Life Consequences fan-fic.

    Loklar wrote: »
    I wouldn't trust the government to be able to distinguish between what's a secret and what makes them look bad.
  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    bongi wrote: »
    Evander is the worst arguer in the history of the internet and that is saying something.

    This is SE, not D&D

    I;d put the time in to serious arguments if I didn't think that the post right after them was going to be "dicks butts olol"

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  • freakish lightfreakish light Registered User regular
    dicks butts olol

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  • Blake TBlake T Registered User regular
    I'm not going to present an interesting argument because I feel it is beneath me.

  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    really, I think the fact that the plot was basically the same as Bruno was much more of an issue with the movie than any sort of imaginary detriment to the eradication of negative stereotypes.

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  • freakish lightfreakish light Registered User regular
    Evander wrote: »
    really, I think the fact that the plot was basically the same as Borat? was much more of an issue with the movie than any sort of imaginary detriment to the eradication of negative stereotypes.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User
    yeah, that too

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Evander wrote: »
    Wally, ARE you a college freshman?

    Did I strike a nerve?

    I'm sowwy.

    No, you didn't. I don't feel touched by your personal attacks in the least, because they're entirely unconvincing anyways (much like your arguments) and completely untrue, too.
    But I guess it boils all down to "man this is SE/the Internet/leisure time, bro, who caares", which is your opinion to have if you want.
    I'm not going to see this movie, for my part.

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    I'll probably end up watching this movie against my will sometime in the future

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