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[MiniPhalla] Prelude to Phallakinetic - Non-psychics win!

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  • iamtheaznmaniamtheaznman Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Trust wrote: »
    Trust wrote: »
    In the end, it came down to whether I wanted to side with the bad guys. I'd rather let El Skid win than let the bad guys win when I'm a villager. Simple.

    You'd rather let your opposite faction, the non psychics to win, then your own faction. You sacrificed your own factions win for an opposing one.

    Great. I know who I am grudging from now until forever.

    Wrong.

    While he was 'an opposing faction', he was also an innocent Arcadian, like me. You got hung up on the faction side of things. I saw it as village vs mafia. At the last, I decided to do what felt right. And what felt right was not to let the goddamn mafia win.

    WE WERENT THE MAFIA.

    Domarions had to kill psychics.
    We had to kill non psychics.

    Its not like we had to kill everyone. "Labels" and "Colors" are everything, not what your role pm says. Yep.

    It's like in BSG the boardgame when Cylons help humans because they want them to win. Its stupid as hell.

  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Actually the Domarians had the exact same win condition as all the Arcadian non-psychics, which was kill the Renegade or kill all non-psychics.

    That was until the three of us were killed and returned with Deathbot. Then it was just the latter one.

  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Reading the Disciples board...yeah, thought as much. I wasn't sure if Disciples had the null and whether I was bus-drivered, but it looks like I wasn't.

    Looks like I'm grudging Kay, MY MASONED GUARD, for attracting attention with an utterly random post about attacking me that got a null directed their way. I'm not sure if I should grudge azn at this point, but I'm leaning towards 'yes'.

    Not going to post my proboard (what would have become the Arcadian non-psychic network) unless someone really wants to see it, no point. One day's worth of action. Whoo.

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Nocturne wrote: »
    Actually the Domarians had the exact same win condition as all the Arcadian non-psychics, which was kill the Renegade or kill all non-psychics.

    That was until the three of us were killed and returned with Deathbot. Then it was just the latter one.
    Speaking of which....

    That whole "reviving as the Deathbot" thing? Awesome. Edcrab, that truly was a wonderful mechanic. Good game overall, too! I had fun :P.

    Edit: How odd. I picked some obnoxious colors, trying to play around with the proboard, but nothing seemed to work. Now that I logged off it, the colors are there? Admins can't see color changes? Either way, what bad choices haha.

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  • GnershGnersh Registered User
    edited June 2009
    I heartily endorse the Death Bot. It got rid of all my psychics in two days! Order now for and get 20 million off your next purchase of Death Bot!

  • TrustTrust Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Azn, Edcrab clearly stated in my role PM that Renegade=Enemy. He then clarified when asked, disciples=enemy in the thread. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

    Am I the only one who thinks so?

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  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Also, what happened with SkyCaptain guarding me the night I died? Did Rend's attack ignore the guard or what?

    Edit: Because if it wasn't obvious, on that day I was trying my hardest to be targeted.

  • iamtheaznmaniamtheaznman Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Reading the Disciples board...yeah, thought as much. I wasn't sure if Disciples had the null and whether I was bus-drivered, but it looks like I wasn't.

    Looks like I'm grudging Kay, MY MASONED GUARD, for attracting attention with an utterly random post about attacking me that got a null directed their way. I'm not sure if I should grudge azn at this point, but I'm leaning towards 'yes'.

    Not going to post my proboard (what would have become the Arcadian non-psychic network) unless someone really wants to see it, no point. One day's worth of action. Whoo.

    I was paying back you killing me in Ultimate Phalla.

    @Trust, a post from Kime on the proboards:
    kime wrote:
    Realize, we are basically the mafia at this point. Or at least, close enough to most people.

    Although I just noticed that everyone knows we are alive, so my warning is useless, so never mind. They are sl going to slaughter us.

    But this is so awesome, hehe.

  • HounHoun Jump In Save the WorldRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    So, wait, am I a winner? A dead winner? Eh, who cares. The real winner was the narration. Bravo!

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  • iamtheaznmaniamtheaznman Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Trust wrote: »
    Azn, Edcrab clearly stated in my role PM that Renegade=Enemy. He then clarified when asked, disciples=enemy in the thread. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

    Am I the only one who thinks so?

    He also stated that THE BEHEMOTH HAD TO KILL ALL PSYCHICS.

  • SkyCaptainSkyCaptain Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Heh, I had a perfect guard ability, but I decided to let us all die. ^_^ I wanted to see what our "ressurection" ability was. Nocturne, I didn't guard you. I guarded myself two nights and then someone else on the day I got voted out. I thought about guarding myself on the vote to see what would happen but passed.

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Three factions; Arcadian, Domarian, and Renegade, and three sub-factions; Military, Police, and Psychic. The first two are essentially just different ways of classifying the abilities of the ‘non-psychic’ sub-faction. Broadly speaking, all Arcadians were either psychic or non-psychic.

    Arcadians and Domarians sought to kill the Renegade.

    Non-psychics could win by eliminating all psychics, and vice versa. The Domarians (despite having a psychic member) could kill all Arcadian psychics as an alternate objective. The Disciples of the Renegade thought that the Renegade was dead, and they shared the ‘kill all non-psychics’ win condition with the Village’s psychics. Still with me?

    To meet their victory condition the Renegade could either kill all the Domarians, which would remove the Renegade from the game, or kill all the Disciples, which would end the game for everyone and technically result in a minor village win (as the Renegade would be rejuvenated and free to screw up another star system).


    The Disciples had a role blocker, a guardian, and a back-up role that would inherit the ability of the first Disciple to die. Their group power killed non-psychics outright, but there was a 50% chance that psychics would be converted rather than killed. The only exception was the Renegade, who was immune to both effects and would’ve instead been reintroduced to their former lackeys. So the Disciples were incapable of killing the Renegade or using any form of ability on him.

    The Domarians were powerful masons, with a 100% success guardian and a near-perfect seer, and the go-ahead to continue talking amongst themselves even when dead. Although they lacked a true vig kill, their Specialist’s attack increased to 50% potency when used against psychics, the best day-one chance in the game.

    The Veteran- Spectrum- lacked combat power but was an automatic seer, being introduced to genuine Arcadian non-psychics every night.

    The ex-Councillor- Dunadan- had no real direct powers to speak of but they could double the success rate of another player’s ability.

    The Elder- crimsoncoyote- could double or halve the percentage success rate of the attacks focused on one target.

    The Village’s ‘generic’ psychics- telekinetic, empath, telepath and precog- all had multiple, low-success rate abilities. Working together, or especially with the likes of the ex-Councillor and the Elder, they’d be able to approximate a normal special.

    The Police Officers were guards who siphoned off half of the attacks directed towards their target- but they also had a sacrificial element, as if the attacks were successful, the Police Officer alone would die and their target would survive.

    The Soldiers had a better than average attack rate (20%), but could chose to cover a player and auto-attack anyone who attacked that player, and with an increased kill chance to boot.

    The Commando’s special ability was that they were entitled to a death action, or a delayed death depending on which way you looked at it.

    El Skid, the Detective, was arguably the most powerful seer in the game, but their ability didn’t surface until later. They started with a 30% success rate and increased by 30% every day, so by day 4 they had a 120%-accuracy seer power that would bypass psychic defences entirely (the Renegade’s innate defence and abilities such as guards). Passing himself off as a psychic for so long was just the icing on the cake.

    The Renegade had a 30% attack (putting them up there with the Commando and the Domarian Enforcer) which gradually increased if they killed a psychic, or if a Disciple died. Psychic seering attempts (mindscans) were half as effective as normal when used on him, and if an attempt failed the seer in question would be told that the Renegade was a Telepath, an Arcadian Psychic, rather than being informed that they were unsuccessful. The Renegade also had some level of kill-immunity; if the attacks directed towards him were 40% potent or less, they weren’t even calculated.

    With this in mind, no one tried attacking or seering Rend for the whole game. No one. By the end he had a 60% attack power and a protracted chain of power-stealing/swapping ended up with him toting the Specialist’s Hostile Psionics ability, giving a whopping 90% success rate versus psychics.

    The Renegade was ridiculously powerful for a single role, but then again all but three players (the Disciples) would win if he died and thus pretty much the whole roster would be out to get him. Theoretically, the Domarian’s Specialist could’ve targeted them night one and the game would’ve ended on a coin toss.

    I’ll try and get around to posting the PMs soon. In the meantime, feel free to post your own PM if you think I’m being slow and getting in the way of things.


    PS., special thanks to Quoth for co-hosting (we mixed and matched material, it’s as much her as it is me) and brainstorming with me for ages before this was finalised, to LaOs for his invaluable input during very early development, and to Rend for randomly PMing me one night with a monologue and starting the trend of supplying the Renegade’s lines in the narration. That’s right, most of what the Rendegade said came from him.

    Massive kudos to the Disciples, when two of their number were pretty much new to Phalla as a whole, never mind a rambling experiment like this, and many, many thanks to all the long-suffering players who put up with strange mechanics and slow clarifications. You’re all awesome, and I hope you had fun.

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  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    SkyCaptain wrote: »
    Heh, I had a perfect guard ability, but I decided to let us all die. ^_^ I wanted to see what our "ressurection" ability was.

    So grudged.

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Trust wrote: »
    Azn, Edcrab clearly stated in my role PM that Renegade=Enemy. He then clarified when asked, disciples=enemy in the thread. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

    Am I the only one who thinks so?
    Well, you really had two enemies: non-psychics and Disciples. You could choose which one to go against, though, and then just ignore the other.

    You just... kind of chose wrong. I mean, not that I blame you, I was definitely trying to convince you that the Disciples were the only mafia and whatnot while the game was going on, but in reality they were only one choice for the "bad guys."

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  • TrustTrust Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    We're never going to agree on this, so grudge me all you want, I felt like it was the right thing to do.

    What were your win conditions anyway?

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  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Reading the Disciples board...yeah, thought as much. I wasn't sure if Disciples had the null and whether I was bus-drivered, but it looks like I wasn't.

    Looks like I'm grudging Kay, MY MASONED GUARD, for attracting attention with an utterly random post about attacking me that got a null directed their way. I'm not sure if I should grudge azn at this point, but I'm leaning towards 'yes'.

    Not going to post my proboard (what would have become the Arcadian non-psychic network) unless someone really wants to see it, no point. One day's worth of action. Whoo.

    I was paying back you killing me in Ultimate Phalla.
    You pay back a Day 2 death with a Day 1? That's low.

  • iamtheaznmaniamtheaznman Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Trust wrote: »
    We're never going to agree on this, so grudge me all you want, I felt like it was the right thing to do.

    What were your win conditions anyway?

    To kill non psychics. Like I said.

  • Kay2Kay2 Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Looks like I'm grudging Kay, MY MASONED GUARD, for attracting attention with an utterly random post about attacking me that got a null directed their way. I'm not sure if I should grudge azn at this point, but I'm leaning towards 'yes'.

    It was a gambit to distance myself from you, and confuse people that didn't work out, that was all.

    Who roleblocked me that night, and why, anyhow? You made it a whoooole lot harder for the Domarians/non-psychics.

  • iamtheaznmaniamtheaznman Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Kay wrote: »
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Looks like I'm grudging Kay, MY MASONED GUARD, for attracting attention with an utterly random post about attacking me that got a null directed their way. I'm not sure if I should grudge azn at this point, but I'm leaning towards 'yes'.

    It was a gambit to distance myself from you, and confuse people that didn't work out, that was all.

    Who roleblocked me that night, and why, anyhow? You made it a whoooole lot harder for the Domarians/non-psychics.

    I roleblocked you.

    Because of that post.

    Like Spectrum said. So I'm glad I made it harder for non-psychics.

  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Kay wrote: »
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Looks like I'm grudging Kay, MY MASONED GUARD, for attracting attention with an utterly random post about attacking me that got a null directed their way. I'm not sure if I should grudge azn at this point, but I'm leaning towards 'yes'.

    It was a gambit to distance myself from you, and confuse people that didn't work out, that was all.

    Who roleblocked me that night, and why, anyhow? You made it a whoooole lot harder for the Domarians/non-psychics.
    Our enemies, the Disciples role-blocked you. They made their lives easier.

    It, uh, would have been nice if you had told me beforehand that you were going to do that. People publicly organizing to attack ME Day 1 is pretty freaking strange, considering how useful I am to keep around. =/

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Edcrab. I understand you told me that a certain conversation never happened. But telling me that I should "think about in what order the power flows upon death", or something, basically made me think that the Renegade was Athan, and that to make him vulnerable his disciples first had to be killed.

    I could have backstabbed Rend and ended the game on day two.

    :(

  • Kay2Kay2 Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Kay wrote: »
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Looks like I'm grudging Kay, MY MASONED GUARD, for attracting attention with an utterly random post about attacking me that got a null directed their way. I'm not sure if I should grudge azn at this point, but I'm leaning towards 'yes'.

    It was a gambit to distance myself from you, and confuse people that didn't work out, that was all.

    Who roleblocked me that night, and why, anyhow? You made it a whoooole lot harder for the Domarians/non-psychics.
    Our enemies, the Disciples role-blocked you. They made their lives easier.

    It, uh, would have been nice if you had told me beforehand that you were going to do that. People publicly organizing to attack ME Day 1 is pretty freaking strange, considering how useful I am to keep around. =/

    Not sure why they did that, really. Didn't think a roleblock'd work on an attack power that everyone had, it'd be like losing the ability to vote 'cause of a roleblock. Still, like I said, gambits don't always work out.

    We still won! \o/

    Not sure if iamtheaznman attacked me or El Skid at the end, though. I was using the defence power on him in the late stages of the game.

  • EdcrabEdcrab Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Burnage wrote: »
    Edcrab. I understand you told me that a certain conversation never happened. But telling me that I should "think about in what order the power flows upon death", or something, basically made me think that the Renegade was Athan, and that to make him vulnerable his disciples first had to be killed.

    I could have backstabbed Rend and ended the game on day two.

    :(

    If Rend had died first, let's just say the Disciples would've had their own Behemoth-esque development. It wasn't a question of them powering him- it was the other way around. Rend knew this, but obviously wasn't prepared to tell people.

    The game would've ended on a coin-toss because of an RNG mechanic from hell. Lots and lots of people could've potentially died.

    I'll say no more than that, because I am saving it for the next outing. I'm amazed that the Behemoth ever happened, really.

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  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    So I misread my ability... whoops

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Edcrab wrote: »
    If Rend had died first, let's just say the Disciples would've had their own Behemoth-esque development. It wasn't a question of them powering him- it was the other way around. Rend knew this, but obviously wasn't prepared to tell people.

    The game would've ended on a coin-toss because of an RNG mechanic from hell. Lots and lots of people could've potentially died.

    I'll say no more than that, because I am saving it for the next outing. I'm amazed that the Behemoth ever happened, really.
    We tried :P.

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  • SkyCaptainSkyCaptain Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I barely had to try to get myself voted out haha.

    ::bounces in anticipation:: "Let it begin! Let IT BEGIN!" hehe

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    SkyCaptain wrote: »
    I barely had to try to get myself voted out haha.

    ::bounces in anticipation:: "Let it begin! Let IT BEGIN!" hehe
    Oh, that was delightful watching you, haha.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I hate you all.

  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Kay wrote: »
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Kay wrote: »
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Looks like I'm grudging Kay, MY MASONED GUARD, for attracting attention with an utterly random post about attacking me that got a null directed their way. I'm not sure if I should grudge azn at this point, but I'm leaning towards 'yes'.

    It was a gambit to distance myself from you, and confuse people that didn't work out, that was all.

    Who roleblocked me that night, and why, anyhow? You made it a whoooole lot harder for the Domarians/non-psychics.
    Our enemies, the Disciples role-blocked you. They made their lives easier.

    It, uh, would have been nice if you had told me beforehand that you were going to do that. People publicly organizing to attack ME Day 1 is pretty freaking strange, considering how useful I am to keep around. =/

    Not sure why they did that, really. Didn't think a roleblock'd work on an attack power that everyone had, it'd be like losing the ability to vote 'cause of a roleblock. Still, like I said, gambits don't always work out.

    We still won! \o/

    Not sure if iamtheaznman attacked me or El Skid at the end, though. I was using the defence power on him in the late stages of the game.
    This was not a win we deserved.

    Mafia direct attacked you.

  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Mmk, was my death random selection, or was there something I did that pissed someone off?

    Also, WTF Gnersh.

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  • SpectrumSpectrum Super High-School Level ??? Hope's Peak AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Mmk, was my death random selection, or was there something I did that pissed someone off?

    Also, WTF Gnersh.
    IIRC from post-death discussions, Spork killed you with his 20% chance. I think he killed two other people with his 20% chance. Some kind of stupid RNG luck.

  • SkyCaptainSkyCaptain Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    kime wrote: »
    SkyCaptain wrote: »
    I barely had to try to get myself voted out haha.

    ::bounces in anticipation:: "Let it begin! Let IT BEGIN!" hehe
    Oh, that was delightful watching you, haha.
    I wish I could have seen the looks on people's face when I jumped on my own bandwagon and they kept voting for me. =)

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  • SpectralSporkSpectralSpork Registered User
    edited June 2009
    I killed Gandalf, ganged up on godmode, and shafted Houn. 20% Attack. I'm Awesome.

  • HounHoun Jump In Save the WorldRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I killed Gandalf, ganged up on godmode, and shafted Houn. 20% Attack. I'm Awesome.

    Wait, you killed me?

    Fuckin' grudged. I'll see you in class, Spork.

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  • SpectralSporkSpectralSpork Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Houn wrote: »
    I killed Gandalf, ganged up on godmode, and shafted Houn. 20% Attack. I'm Awesome.

    Wait, you killed me?

    Fuckin' grudged. I'll see you in class, Spork.

    You can't stop me! Nothing can stop me!

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I killed Gandalf, ganged up on godmode, and shafted Houn. 20% Attack. I'm Awesome.

    I also blame you for the death of my internet connection.

  • SpectralSporkSpectralSpork Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Burnage wrote: »
    I killed Gandalf, ganged up on godmode, and shafted Houn. 20% Attack. I'm Awesome.

    I also blame you for the death of my internet connection.

    I'm UNSTOPPABLE!
    Spoiler:

    Who want's some?

  • HounHoun Jump In Save the WorldRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I actually kinda suspected Burnage, for obvious reasons.

    (He PMed me for info. I was a fool and trusted him.)

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  • SpectralSporkSpectralSpork Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Houn wrote: »
    I actually kinda suspected Burnage, for obvious reasons.

    (He PMed me for info. I was a fool and trusted him.)

    Psh, burnage was just a regular Arcadian Psychic, who was supposed to be working with me to kill the Renegade, not getting aide from the Renegade.

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Houn wrote: »
    I actually kinda suspected Burnage, for obvious reasons.

    (He PMed me for info. I was a fool and trusted him.)

    Psh, burnage was just a regular Arcadian Psychic, who was supposed to be working with me to kill the Renegade, not getting aide from the Renegade.

    To be fair, I used Rend to kill two domarians and I ordered the assassination of a disciple. So go me?

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