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[Mini-Phalla] Newbie Phallas - GAME OVER - Cheaters / Honest Students Victories

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    Spectrum wrote: »
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    godmode wrote: »
    @People that have been doing these a while: How do you manage to stay out of the way of the vote, yet still not pass into possible inactivity? I have this problem in every phalla I join that I vote or state my opinion and people seem to single me out the very next day. I don't get what I'm doing wrong.

    The mafia wants to kill special people and helpful people. don't be either of those.

    The village wants to kill evil people and people who refuse to vote for evil people and people who don't talk much and people who jump into bandwagons for no real reasons. and a couple of others that i'm not remembering.... don't do any of those either.

    people will sometimes keep you around if you are amusing as well.
    If you're a vanillager (vanilla villager, someone with no abilities), don't listen to Dunadan's first sentence. At all. Unless you're in one of those tragic games where even vanillagers need to survive to the end to achieve victory, it should be your goal to help the village as much as possible before the mafia take you out for being too helpful, too dangerous, or because they think you're a special. Either way, your death saves a special for another day.

    Also, if you're a villager and being heavily bandwagoned, you should try to avoid it at least a little (since you know you're innocent), but know that your unfortunate death will still give the village as a whole another day's worth of important voting patterns to pick through.

    Mafia are also aware of this, however, so be mindful from a meta standpoint.

    Yeah if you are a vanillager you should try to appear as special and helpful as you can.

    You really shouldn't be too worried about dying though... it happens often.

    Mental midgets kill my inner child.
  • GreenTeaGreenTea Registered User
    Sorry haven't posted my vote yet still deciding and I just got off work.
    Hmm.. Who to vote for.
    The bandwagon on Erich Zahn for grudge or the group for SmugglyMcWeed because he posts in flamboyant colors or someone random.

  • EbfanEbfan Registered User
    Less than two hours left and we are still missing five votes:

    blibblob
    Delphinidaes
    greentea
    RainOPain
    SmugglyMcWeed


    Come on people.

  • SpectralSporkSpectralSpork Registered User
    A key ingredient of a good Phalla player is the realization that if you get the mafia to waste one of their kills on you, and you're a vanillager, that's good.

    That makes me the greatest ever. :D

  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies Registered User regular
    A key ingredient of a good Phalla player is the realization that if you get the mafia to waste one of their kills on you, and you're a vanillager, that's good.

    That makes me the greatest ever. :D

    Corollary: If you get the village to waste a vote on you, and you're a vanillager, that's bad. This is why spork and kime are not hailed as the greatest vanillagers of all time.

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  • SpectralSporkSpectralSpork Registered User
    A key ingredient of a good Phalla player is the realization that if you get the mafia to waste one of their kills on you, and you're a vanillager, that's good.

    That makes me the greatest ever. :D

    Corollary: If you get the village to waste a vote on you, and you're a vanillager, that's bad. This is why spork and kime are not hailed as the greatest vanillagers of all time.

    But the village sucks!

  • GreenTeaGreenTea Registered User
    !Delphinidaes cause they haven't voted yet.

  • EbfanEbfan Registered User
    I wonder when Dac Vin is going to unveil the surprise he promised last night. I am most curious to see what it will be.

  • GnershGnersh Registered User
    It's obviously the fact that no matter what I win. Giant robot dinosaurs who shoot lasers would also be acceptable though to a lesser degree.

  • Julius CaezureJulius Caezure Registered User
    Ebfan wrote: »
    I wonder when Dac Vin is going to unveil the surprise he promised last night. I am most curious to see what it will be.

    Considering the amazing speed at which Dac Vin composes his narrations...I would say about 10:01 EST.

    I thought it would be weird to be tiny navy guys in another man's penis. Wait... That's pretty normal.
  • JaysonFourJaysonFour Ex-Bronco Kitteh Registered User regular
    godmode wrote: »
    So bandwagons are bad? I thought, as a new person joining a group of seemingly knowledgable people, that following the crowd is a good thing?

    There are two types of bandwagons:

    1) The random type, just from out of nowhere: All of a sudden, votes start piling on someone for no reason or flimsy reasoning, and then people start dogpiling on "because there's nothing better out there". Mafia love these. They allow them to blend in and keep the vote off of them, while they're free to use thier powers and effects with little fear for that night.


    2) The solid-info type. If you have good, solid reasoning that you believe a person is a mafia (as in thinking it out through voting patterns and the like, or the seer has found a mafia, then you have the backbone for a solid "get the mafia and then treat ourselves to cheezburgers" bandwagon. These are good.

    Also, a bit on reveals- the Seer should NEVER, EVER reveal themselves. That is what a network is for- in short, you're a line of defense against mafia kills so you can keep the seer alive as long as possible.

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  • SpectralSporkSpectralSpork Registered User
    JaysonFour wrote: »
    godmode wrote: »
    So bandwagons are bad? I thought, as a new person joining a group of seemingly knowledgable people, that following the crowd is a good thing?

    There are two types of bandwagons:

    1) The random type, just from out of nowhere: All of a sudden, votes start piling on someone for no reason or flimsy reasoning, and then people start dogpiling on "because there's nothing better out there". Mafia love these. They allow them to blend in and keep the vote off of them, while they're free to use thier powers and effects with little fear for that night.


    2) The solid-info type. If you have good, solid reasoning that you believe a person is a mafia (as in thinking it out through voting patterns and the like, or the seer has found a mafia, then you have the backbone for a solid "get the mafia and then treat ourselves to cheezburgers" bandwagon. These are good.

    Also, a bit on reveals- the Seer should NEVER, EVER reveal themselves. That is what a network is for- in short, you're a line of defense against mafia kills so you can keep the seer alive as long as possible.

    Addendum: The village will inevitibly attempt to vote out the seer on day one. Reveals are a good idea then.

  • The_ReflectionThe_Reflection Registered User regular
    The guard shold never really reveal either. Your job is to keep the vig, seer and other important people alive, and you cant do that if you're dead.

    SYSOP wrote: »

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    "He can drink a river of blood and not burst"..."He can swallow a desert and never thirst"
  • SpectrumSpectrum Raising Heart Excelion, Drive Ignition! MidchildaRegistered User regular
    A key ingredient of a good Phalla player is the realization that if you get the mafia to waste one of their kills on you, and you're a vanillager, that's good.

    That makes me the greatest ever. :D

    Corollary: If you get the village to waste a vote on you, and you're a vanillager, that's bad. This is why spork and kime are not hailed as the greatest vanillagers of all time.

    But the village sucks!
    Perhaps, but YOU MAKE IT WORSE.

    In advanced games where mafia have been given special powers, any special revealing is at risk. Common mafia powers that stymie reveals are bus drivers (switch all effects targeted between two people), role blockers (stops their power use for that night), and unblockable kills (what it says on the tin). You folks don't have to worry about that this game, but keep it in mind for the future. =)

    To follow-up on what JaysonFour said, in many games typically a "network" forms of people who have been confirmed, one way or another, as being on the village's side. One person, usually a seered vanillager but sometimes the vig if he or she Day 1 called a kill, speaks for the network and reveals stuff like seering info or how they feel about current bandwagons. Everyone else in the network tries to blend in as a normal villager (or their normal play) so as to not tip off the mafia that they're in the network (and thus are highly like to be special).

    Of course, networks like these are vulnerable to infiltration by quick-witted or clever mafia or lucky ones who have been granted a thrall-ability, but that's a more advanced discussion.

    Further addendum: Typically, the mafia prefer to kill 'confirmed' goods as much as possible to keep the unconfirmed populace they can hide amongst as big as possible and make the seers and vigs work to find them.

  • SpectralSporkSpectralSpork Registered User
    Spectrum wrote: »
    A key ingredient of a good Phalla player is the realization that if you get the mafia to waste one of their kills on you, and you're a vanillager, that's good.

    That makes me the greatest ever. :D

    Corollary: If you get the village to waste a vote on you, and you're a vanillager, that's bad. This is why spork and kime are not hailed as the greatest vanillagers of all time.

    But the village sucks!
    Perhaps, but YOU MAKE IT WORSE.

    In advanced games where mafia have been given special powers, any special revealing is at risk. Common mafia powers that stymie reveals are bus drivers (switch all effects targeted between two people), role blockers (stops their power use for that night), and unblockable kills (what it says on the tin). You folks don't have to worry about that this game, but keep it in mind for the future. =)

    To follow-up on what JaysonFour said, in many games typically a "network" forms of people who have been confirmed, one way or another, as being on the village's side. One person, usually a seered vanillager but sometimes the vig if he or she Day 1 called a kill, speaks for the network and reveals stuff like seering info or how they feel about current bandwagons. Everyone else in the network tries to blend in as a normal villager (or their normal play) so as to not tip off the mafia that they're in the network (and thus are highly like to be special).

    Of course, networks like these are vulnerable to infiltration by quick-witted or clever mafia or lucky ones who have been granted a thrall-ability, but that's a more advanced discussion.

    Further addendum: Typically, the mafia prefer to kill 'confirmed' goods as much as possible to keep the unconfirmed populace they can hide amongst as big as possible and make the seers and vigs work to find them.

    While you lot may not have to worry about it now, if you ever host a game. NEVER. EVER. EVER. I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU DO. Use a Thrall. They have an uncanny knack for being seer'd day one by the village and ruining everything. EVERYTHING.

  • SmugglyMcWeedSmugglyMcWeed Registered User
    voting on me? lame. I vote that Eric Zahn guy.

    "Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see." ~Thomas Jefferson, 1781
  • GnershGnersh Registered User
    Post votes in Bold and red

  • SpectralSporkSpectralSpork Registered User
    Gnersh wrote: »
    Post votes in Bold and red

    Bold is not usually necessary, but it makes it easier to pick out.

  • BurnageBurnage Just a harmless flower Registered User regular
    While you lot may not have to worry about it now, if you ever host a game. NEVER. EVER. EVER. I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU DO. Use a Thrall. They have an uncanny knack for being seer'd day one by the village and ruining everything. EVERYTHING.

    And neither should you name them Vlad.

    Sometimes, just sometimes, the host will give the mafia something really powerful to work with. Maybe somebody who is invincible under certain conditions (like Athan, from Phalliad). Perhaps a role that gains the abilities of dead players (Orochi, from King of Phalla). Until you know that there might be a role like this present - and if the host is nice, they'll hint at it - you can't really do anything to counter them. But once you're aware of them, it should be your priority to find them and remove them.

    Sometimes - sometimes - it might even be worth working with the standard mafia, to take out a larger threat.

  • SpectralSporkSpectralSpork Registered User
    Burnage wrote: »
    While you lot may not have to worry about it now, if you ever host a game. NEVER. EVER. EVER. I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU DO. Use a Thrall. They have an uncanny knack for being seer'd day one by the village and ruining everything. EVERYTHING.

    And neither should you name them Vlad.

    Sometimes, just sometimes, the host will give the mafia something really powerful to work with. Maybe somebody who is invincible under certain conditions (like Athan, from Phalliad). Perhaps a role that gains the abilities of dead players (Orochi, from King of Phalla). Until you know that there might be a role like this present - and if the host is nice, they'll hint at it - you can't really do anything to counter them. But once you're aware of them, it should be your priority to find them and remove them.

    Sometimes - sometimes - it might even be worth working with the standard mafia, to take out a larger threat.

    Remind me why you're still alive sir?

  • blibblobblibblob Registered User
    Eric Zahn has a nice lead.

  • Julius CaezureJulius Caezure Registered User
    Still missing votes from Delphinidaes and RainOPain - and possibly SmugglyMcWeed since he didn't put his vote for Erich in red.

    I thought it would be weird to be tiny navy guys in another man's penis. Wait... That's pretty normal.
  • Orange SodaOrange Soda Registered User
    Still missing votes from Delphinidaes and RainOPain - and possibly SmugglyMcWeed since he didn't put his vote for Erich in red.

    SmugglyMcWeed's vote was counted since his intention was obvious. In the future, try to make your votes bold and red.

    Spoiler:
  • Orange SodaOrange Soda Registered User
    Vote is Closed. Narration Inc.

    Spoiler:
  • Dac VinDac Vin SPECIAL DELIVERY Registered User regular
    Day 1



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    Alright, do not despair, it's just a first year group, everything will be fine and all dandy...

    Oh, hi students! The name's Dac Vin, and I will be your teacher for today's classes. It will be my job to teach, well, I'll tell you in a minute. For now, let's discuss important matters. Some of you might have noticed there's a bit less of you than last class, and I wish to illuminate the reasons of this.

    First off, forgive my grumpiness, but I have just received word that blibblob, my assistant, well, yeah, see what I mean? They found the poor sod in the boiler room, blabbering stuff about the very scary top of the class student. I doubt he'll return soon enough to make a difference.

    And now, the little talk about cheating. As you all know, cheating is a very verboten activity in this college, and anyone caught doing it will get a swift kick in the butt and out of this school. Which bring me to my next point - I spoke with professor Sunkist who teach Phallogy, and his last test brought light to some irregularities - or more precisely, there has been two case of answer sheet being the exact same. I won't speak much about it, but dunedainjedi and godmode will not be joining us for the rest of the session.

    Which bring me to mister Erich Zahn. I've heard lots of bad rumors about you, my friend, and Sunkist told me you were extremely reticent about the "invisible" technique all the best phallers use. Well, let me tell you, you have one minute to get out of my class, and five to run to the Dean's office and explain this situation. Maybe you're not a teacher, but you are a bad student, and your behavior is despicable.

    The rest of the absentees just simply didn't come for some reason. Nevermind, they'll have to ask for what I taught you.



    The following student got the boot:

    Erich Zahn - Student - Voted out
    dunedainjedi - Student - Framed
    godmode - Student - Framed
    blibblob - Teacher's Assistant (Guard) - Talked to by the Top of the Class




    And now that this is all done with, time for the surprise! You see, this ain't a normal newbie phalla where we teach you how to play in a phalla. As many players will tell you, there is something else. Another dimension for you to know about.

    Ladies and gentlemen, Phalla Hosting 101. Because after playing in many phallas, you too will want to know what it is like to host one. And when this time comes, we want you to be ready. Because you are our own future.

    Alright, canned message out of the way, let's talk hosting, and to do so, I though it would be a good idea to bring you behind the scenes and see how this phalla works, and put my own observations to them.
    Spoiler:

    And so ends the first part of Phalla Hosting 101. And veterans, if you have any tips to give on the matter, you can always do so in the usual manner.


    Day 2 has begun.

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  • SmugglyMcWeedSmugglyMcWeed Registered User
    Voting for !SmugglyMcWeed at the moment because yeah... I don't want to look at that annoying colored text if at all possible. It's almost as bad as reading AIMspeak or fangirl squealing.

    But I do consider that voting for him may be too easy. Would a mafia really have such a quirk to bring such attention to themselves? Right now it's a distraction... a very annoying distraction.

    There's just... little juicer targets at the moment or input from the rest of the class.

    Edit: I fail at color.

    YOU ARE A SMELLY PIRATE HOOKER!

    "Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see." ~Thomas Jefferson, 1781
  • EbfanEbfan Registered User
    Well that was not good, not good at all.

  • dunedainjedidunedainjedi Registered User
    OooooOOoooOOO

    Even in the newbie game we kill the spread sheeter....

  • TimmerTimmer Registered User
    Awww... I was looking forward to spreadsheets, too!

    Also, the guard? Eep, that's not a good thing, I gather.

    Two specials lost: guard and spread-sheeter!

  • KetBraKetBra shut up and jamRegistered User regular
    At least the spread-sheeter wasn't a baddie.

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  • TimmerTimmer Registered User
    ((
    Also out-of-phalla:
    Exceiting to hear about the hosting tid-bits, too! I loooove game mechanics (and code my own games in spare time) so when I discovered this game I soaked up what I could so love hearing the things from the DM/designer/etc point of view -- definitely a neat idea to do this!
    ))

  • JaentherJaenther Registered User regular
    I think not good is a very low-key way to describe the friggin VIG offing the GUARD, yes.

    Admittedly the last minute voting, "inactive" all day guard, so I won't hate you forever, vig person.

    Edit: And CorpseRT, if the spreadsheeter HAD been a baddie, at least we'd have killed one. That would be an improvement!

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  • SpectrumSpectrum Raising Heart Excelion, Drive Ignition! MidchildaRegistered User regular
    For the love of all that is holy, even if you are some kind of terrible slacker like most everyone else here, at least do some basic calculations when planning out your game as to what it would take for each side to win. For example, when planning a game with a certain duration in mind (which you should always have), make sure the populations are balanced such that there aren't so many mafia that it's virtually impossible for the village to have won by then, even by voting out a mafia every day. (Again, this refers to having somewhere between 15-20% of the population be mafia being a good number in a trad game.)

    After you've designed the basics of your game, take some time to write good Role PMs. Unless the entire focus of the game is on having an unreliable narrator and Role PMs that lie (in which case you're a terrible person), the clearer and more concise the better. Your players will not be happy when they get killed or make wrong plays if you mislead them not on purpose.

    Actually, you know what? Just head to the Lounge and check out one of the many advice threads.

    Also, point of order: spreadsheeting is not a special ability. Anyone can do it. But it seems I was right when I added the nuance that mafia love to kill spreadsheeters as opposed to them being voted out. :lol:

  • Dac VinDac Vin SPECIAL DELIVERY Registered User regular
    Jaenther wrote: »
    I think not good is a very low-key way to describe the friggin VIG offing the GUARD, yes.

    Admittedly the last minute voting, "inactive" all day guard, so I won't hate you forever, vig person.

    You should have seen Phalla King.

    (Vig kill guard, Serial killer kill Vig, Seer reveal the day after. At least they only went after the spreadsheeters on day 3!)

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  • SmugglyMcWeedSmugglyMcWeed Registered User
    Spectrum wrote: »
    For the love of all that is holy, even if you are some kind of terrible slacker like most everyone else here, at least do some basic calculations when planning out your game as to what it would take for each side to win. For example, when planning a game with a certain duration in mind (which you should always have), make sure the populations are balanced such that there aren't so many mafia that it's virtually impossible for the village to have won by then, even by voting out a mafia every day. (Again, this refers to having somewhere between 15-20% of the population be mafia being a good number in a trad game.)

    After you've designed the basics of your game, take some time to write good Role PMs. Unless the entire focus of the game is on having an unreliable narrator and Role PMs that lie (in which case you're a terrible person), the clearer and more concise the better. Your players will not be happy when they get killed or make wrong plays if you mislead them not on purpose.

    Actually, you know what? Just head to the Lounge and check out one of the many advice threads.

    Also, point of order: spreadsheeting is not a special ability. Anyone can do it. But it seems I was right when I added the nuance that mafia love to kill spreadsheeters as opposed to them being voted out. :lol:



    UPDATE: I still don't trust Spectrum.

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  • JaentherJaenther Registered User regular
    I did read Phalla King, though all I really remember now was "tragic trainwreck". You must have a very high metabolism, Spectrum.

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  • InfidelInfidel It's not Infidel, it's INNNNNFIDELRegistered User regular
    Dac Vin wrote: »
    You should have seen Phalla King.

    (Vig kill guard, Serial killer kill Vig, Seer reveal the day after. At least they only went after the spreadsheeters on day 3!)

    That was a great day one. And the mafia put their kills on me and Spectrum, weeee.

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  • JaentherJaenther Registered User regular
    Didn't someone have a proboard recently with a thread titled "Always kill Infidel"?

    bone daddy wrote:
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  • SpectrumSpectrum Raising Heart Excelion, Drive Ignition! MidchildaRegistered User regular
    Infidel wrote: »
    Dac Vin wrote: »
    You should have seen Phalla King.

    (Vig kill guard, Serial killer kill Vig, Seer reveal the day after. At least they only went after the spreadsheeters on day 3!)

    That was a great day one. And the mafia put their kills on me and Spectrum, weeee.
    hi5 Infidel for us not being part of the trainwreck

    If I was an actual participant in this game, I'd probably have earned another death by now. :(

  • SmugglyMcWeedSmugglyMcWeed Registered User
    You guys over think this whole first day thing entirely too much...

    The reality of why my text was multicolored? I was stoned, and bored...

    That and a certain fountain drink told me that 'Man you should RP this' and I was like 'uhm...ok maybe I guess and such'.

    Day 2: !GreenTea because she is uhm....idk. Untrustworthy and such.

    EDIT: And because she messaged me to make my vote in red, and said it in the Thread. That level of obsession with red can only be evil!

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