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Is this illegal? (Sex offender question)
Erin The Red
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The Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered User regular
I work at a bank. And as such, I see a lot of people's IDs.
There is a guy who comes in a lot and is skeezy as fuck, and he has this "sex offender" thing written on the bottom of his ID in red. Well, it seems that he took it upon himself to get a black sharpie and mark over the sex offender thing. I was under the impression that doing so was illegal?
I mean, he's tampering with a state-issued ID AND he's hiding the fact that he's a sex offender. We got bored one day and looked up the offense and I think it's multiple things. I'm not trying to ruin this guy's life or anything. Was just curious as to the legality of scratching that stuff off of your license. Google has proved to be unproductive as of yet.
State is Louisiana, if that helps. Thanks for your time.
There is a guy who comes in a lot and is skeezy as fuck, and he has this "sex offender" thing written on the bottom of his ID in red. Well, it seems that he took it upon himself to get a black sharpie and mark over the sex offender thing. I was under the impression that doing so was illegal?
I mean, he's tampering with a state-issued ID AND he's hiding the fact that he's a sex offender. We got bored one day and looked up the offense and I think it's multiple things. I'm not trying to ruin this guy's life or anything. Was just curious as to the legality of scratching that stuff off of your license. Google has proved to be unproductive as of yet.
State is Louisiana, if that helps. Thanks for your time.
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"Look, I don't want to pick you out or anything else, but I see you covered that part of your ID, and if you get busted then you could be in deep deep shit, so you might be best getting another one. Sorry man, but I didn't want someone getting busted when I could have helped them avoid it. All the best, have a good one."
Why should he do this? The first time his supervisor sees that and flips a shit on him, then makes him buy a new one is the last time you will see him with an ID for that.
Or he could not risk his job over this?
If you're not going to do anything about it, just don't do anything about it and maybe he'll get nailed elsewhere.
Or you can be the elsewhere, tell your supervisor what you've noticed, and let him decide whether or not he wants to call the cops/confiscate the ID/etc. Either way, the burden will not be yours.
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Lim'd for truth right there. Your job > a black sharpie mark.
Unless you can actually refuse tampered ID and/or the law says somewhere it's mandatory for you to report such tampering, it's really not your problem.
One quiet way would actually be to ask your supervisor if you are, indeed, allowed to accept such marked IDs. Problem solved.
Hum..but then again, did you just said you've already accepted that ID multiple times? I would really not bother.
Also, random inquisition helps to pass the boredom time at work.
Incidentally, the sex offender registry thing...I can see people wanting to hide that for reasons that are not necessarily malicious. It makes the parolee or ex-con a target for discrimination in ways other people with criminal records aren't. People have been murdered because their names appeared on the registry as a matter of public record. So you don't need to initiate the conversation like this is "step one" in finding and raping a child or anything, or get all Dick Tracy on him like you're making a citizens arrest...it's simply a policy that needs to be obeyed so that you can avoid and professional reprecussions to honoring his ID and so that he doesn't get thrown back in the klink for potentially violating the terms of his release.
I used to audit I-9s for an international temp company. I've had to reject, and subsequently admonish recruiters for accepting, some pretty wild things, including novelty metal social security cards and one woman who cut out her picture on her license and pretty obviously replaced it with a more flattering (much older) one. We had to pull her off of her assignment and make her wait until she got a new ID that wasn't messed with.
People do that shit? Wow, that's... incredibly stupid.
I work tech support now, so I've seen stuff much more increidbly stupid. When it comes to IDs, though, people can be thoroughly creatively stupid.
Message is this - screwing with your ID is illegal. Accepting screwed with ID is also illegal (not jailtime illegal, but fat fine illegal courtesy of the Department of Homeland Security). Next time you see it, bring it to your supervisor.
When I helped him a few days later, it was back on there. I'm not trying to ruin this guy's life. I just really don't feel like getting in trouble for taking a bad ID. They've really started cracking down on it lately. I just asked my manager about it, and she said that the next time he comes in, I can tell him we won't be able to assist him in the future if his ID is altered like it is now, due to a change in our ID policy.
The guy did something in the past, and he's either ashamed of it or whatever. I don't care. People make mistakes, etc. I just don't feel like egtting in trouble because he's ashamed of whatever he did.
Supervisor nailed it.
Well, besides the "due to a change in our ID policy" thing. I think they meant to say "due to us actually enforcing our already existing policy on altered ID's."
I think she told me to use that line so it wouldn't be like 'OOPS WE DONT KNOW HOW TO DO OUR JOBS', but it's pretty easy to see through
hahaha, oh I know why she wanted you to say that.
Seriously.
As a former resident of Louisiana and someone with a huge amount of family there, you'd just as soon have state ID's that say "I am not a sex offender/drug addict/alcoholic/convicted felon of any kind", and you'd actually get somewhere.
This is not worth it. At. All.
Bring a bottle of rubbing alcohol with you. Use a bit of that with a napkin, that mark will come right off. If he bitches at you, offer him a sharpie to black it out again. You require an ID that's not tampered with. It's fair to ignore any blemishes from regular use though, right?
At our pharmacy, we will not dispense Viagra to sex offenders. If we find out, we not only include a note in the patient's profile, but we also contact the doctor who wrote the prescription and explain why we're refusing it. Half the time, they tell us to destroy the script.
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when he comes in here and yells at everyone for getting him fired
There's nothing wrong with letting the guy know he really could get some shit for covering it up. The guy can't complain because you're obeying the law. And if you say it quietly and just to him, he can't say you're trying to embarrass him
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as much fun as it is to tell this guy to "fuck off" and "mind his business". It's not the best advice, seeing as though you're telling him to do something illegal
What Raneados said. It is the sort of tampering which affects anything related to his transaction with him, because any fucking tampering relates to his transaction with him. Because of, you know, the law.
How the OP chooses to deal with this fact is up for debate, but "just run the transaction" isn't a valid option. It's not a valid ID. Which is, you know, required.
Personally my preference would be to figure out a flavor of "I'm sorry, man, but I can't take that ID in that condition...I understand why you'd want to do that, but I don't want to see either of us get in any trouble" that wouldn't embarrass him (or make him incredibly angry)...mainly because I make no assumptions about the nature of his offense and I think the way we deal with "sex offenders" is absurd...but good luck with that I suppose. Fine line to walk, and all.
apologize for the inconvenience and leave it at that
Anyway, not to beat a dead horse, since it seems like you're following through on this properly: Good job on telling your boss. Any time you run across something fishy and you're not sure what to do, just ask your boss. That's what they get paid "the big bucks" for. Also, next time that guy shows up, do exactly what your boss told you to do. At this point, you really don't have any flexibility beyond giving yourself grounds for getting fired, because you've moved beyond incompetence (i.e., "hay boss lady i dun no his id not gud") to open insubordination (i.e., "hay buss lady i no u say do dis but i not do dis har har"). But like others have said, you've taken the correct approach anyway. You've moved it up, asked what you should do, they've told you what to do, so go ahead and do it.
Frankly, if I worked at your job, I would've straight up called the supervisor the second I got the card, and asked them wtf I'm supposed to do with it. Flagging this stuff after the fact is sloppy seconds, because you've already opened up your workplace to fines and the like.
If it's just a policy it's an incredibly dumb one, seems to me.
Yep. And if he asks to speak to a supervisor about it, politely agree and let your boss deal with it. Because that's a boss's job.
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would you accept an ID that had a birthdate marked over?
or would you accept an ID that had the "NEEDS TO WEAR GLASSES WHEN DRIVING" section blacked out?
no?
okay then
Care to explain? If you're inferring that I'm a busy body, may I remind you that he posted on a public forum asking for advice.
What state are you in anyway? I'm curious to see how they mark their sex offender licenses. I've never in all my years seen anything like that.
Those are pretty extreme (and slightly ridiculous) examples. If the individual was applying to work at Chuck E. Cheese, then yes, I would say the comparison was apt. In the OP's case, the guy is getting or depositing cash. While it is fully within the OP's right to make a stink about a marking on the fellows ID, that the OP knows what was marked over and the fact that it is IRRELEVANT to the actual transaction (even if is legally relevant) makes me agree with the "So what. . ." aspect of this situation.
Report it to your boss and be done with it. Are you really going to be so asinine as to request the guys ID everytime he comes in?
That said it was solved. His boss said to tell the guy.
I've never been to a bank where they ask for ID when depositing money.
YES
IT'S A BANK
I THINK HE NEEDS AN ID
Find your capslock and realize you don't need an ID to deposit money.