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  • SAW776SAW776 Registered User
    edited July 2009
    Oh god, please not handwriting recognition. I get bad enough handcramps on my DS as it is.

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Did you ever use graffiti?

    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
  • TL DRTL DR Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    Qingu wrote: »
    SAW776 wrote: »
    However, I'd really like to see a revolution in controlscheme technology so that smaller design could be just as robust and easy to use as a full keyboard. Unlikely, but I can dream.
    Yes! I think the physical reality of the keyboard is the single thing that will most hold back the progression human race. I mean, besides religion. The fact that we require a 14 x 5 inch rectangle of plastic to effectively communicate in the digital world is a huge limiting factor on our mobile interaction with this world.

    I'd be okay with redoing human language so it can be quickly communicated in little magic glyph-strokes, the size of an iPhone screen. Or I guess we could all just learn Chinese.

    Better handwriting recognition.

    Or we should just bring back Palm Graffiti.

    Graffiti was awesome.

    I can type faster than I can write. What about a projected keyboard of some kind that can read your finger movements?

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    Qingu wrote: »
    SAW776 wrote: »
    However, I'd really like to see a revolution in controlscheme technology so that smaller design could be just as robust and easy to use as a full keyboard. Unlikely, but I can dream.
    Yes! I think the physical reality of the keyboard is the single thing that will most hold back the progression human race. I mean, besides religion. The fact that we require a 14 x 5 inch rectangle of plastic to effectively communicate in the digital world is a huge limiting factor on our mobile interaction with this world.

    I'd be okay with redoing human language so it can be quickly communicated in little magic glyph-strokes, the size of an iPhone screen. Or I guess we could all just learn Chinese.

    Better handwriting recognition.

    Or we should just bring back Palm Graffiti.

    Graffiti was awesome.

    I can type faster than I can write. What about a projected keyboard of some kind that can read your finger movements?

    I generally type faster than I write, too. I admit that.

    I also rather like the thumb keyboard on my phone. I don't think we have to be limited to a 10-inch keyboard.

    I admit that I rather dislike touchscreen keyboards. I want to have tactile feedback when I type.

    Yeah I know it all comes down to personal preferences.

    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Brain-wave technology will get better.

  • TL DRTL DR Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Tactile feedback is huge for me as well. I guess I should be thinking about what concessions I'd be willing to make for a netbook though.

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  • HachfaceHachface Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Chorded keyboards sound interesting. I'd like to give that a try.
    I think devices of the future should have multiple options for input, so people can choose what works best for them. There's no reason you couldn't have a hardware chorded keyboard, an onscreen QWERTY touch keyboard, and a stylus for handwriting recnogition in one machine.

    Listen to History Lessons With Caleb, Mike & Terry, a podcast for the ill-informed.
  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Yar wrote: »
    Brain-wave technology will get better.

    At first, we'll laugh at people using them. "Oh, he's talking on his brainwave thingy. He must think he's so important!"

    Then executives will start using them and they'll start to become a status symbol.

    Then they'll shrink down to the size of a small earpiece and drop below $100. Teenage girls will want them so they can talk to their friends at school.

    Eventually state governments will start passing laws that it's illegal to drive with an audio headset and encourage people to use brainwave transmitters instead.

    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Alternatively, the iPhone-style autocorrect for text input might get so good that the computer knows exactly what you want to say just from selecting a single letter.

  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Whatever dude I just want to play Xbox with my mind.

    Did anyone ever see that eye-motion typing interface? Letters come streaming at you a la the old starfield screen saver. You find and look towards the first letter of the word, and that shifts the animation and draws that letter towards the center of the screen in order to "type" it, and then an algorithm similar to auto-type starts enlarging and bringing forth letters that would likely follow the letters you've already typed, so that they are easier to quickly look at, and such that after a few letters have been typed this way, you're basically just looking towards a few foreshortened 3d strings of letters representing the most likely words you're trying to type, with other alternative letters further off in the distance you can continue looking towards if you aren't typing one of the more common words. It works well because when you get good at it, you can do it pretty fast, to where you just start looking for the word you're trying to type and it finds its way towards you. Tough as hell to backspace, though.

  • AdrienAdrien Registered User
    edited July 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    That looks like a pain in the ass.

    I'll take brain-wave interface instead please.

    Aren't chorded keyboards supposed to be easier to learn and faster to type on than the full-sized thing?

    Edit: Not to mention better ergonomics AND smaller?

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  • FilFil Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    That looks like a pain in the ass.

    I'll take brain-wave interface instead please.

    Actually, it doesn't seem that bad if you really think about it. Just using your fingers, you'd already have 8 characters without resorting to any combinatorics.

    Then you'd have an octave key for capitals.

    It'll be just like a flute.

    Except at that point it's not so compact anymore. Maybe a piccolo instead.

  • redxredx Dublin, CARegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I rather like mouse gestures. If there was some way I could do all those little mouse gesture things without actually having to move any muscles it would be neat. You could get buy with it only recognizing a half dozen different actions for a lot of things.

    I could be like 30% more lazy when I'm dicking about online.

  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    redx wrote: »
    I rather like mouse gestures. If there was some way I could do all those little mouse gesture things without actually having to move any muscles it would be neat. You could get buy with it only recognizing a half dozen different actions for a lot of things.

    I could be like 30% more lazy when I'm dicking about online.

    Yea, 99% of the reason I still use Firefox instead of Chrome is lack of built-in mouse gesture support for Chrome, and when I tried using StrokeIt, a mouse gesture program that works on any window, it wouldn't allow me to gesture with either the right or left mouse buttons. Only one of them.

    Mouse Gestures should be a part of everyone's next OS if you ask me.

  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    fjafjan wrote: »
    The argument that everyone is computer illiterate and MS will always be king is failing pretty hard. People are becoming more and more computer savvy, not so much the 40+ crowd, though Distros like Ubuntu certainly means they are approachable too.

    This google OS will be interesting though, I am wrondering what google really can bring to the table, as the biggest problems for Linux OSs are compatability with software that doesn't want to be compatible, ie MS office formats, Itunes, and that sort of closed shit. But if they make a nice, fast OS that works well out of the box, I very well might use it, if only on my eee.

    Those aren't actually closed anymore. It's just zipped XML. Microsoft controls the format spec (and thank god, the W3C are a bunch of fucking wankers) but anyone can read the files now.

    Of course rather a lot of people are using 6+ year old versions of office that save to closed formats natively but still...

    What you think "makes sense" has nothing to do with reality. It just has to do with your life experience. And your life experience may only be a small smidgen of reality. Possibly even a distorted account of reality at that. So what this means is that, beginning in the 20th century as our means of decoding nature became more and more powerful, we started realizing our common sense is no longer a tool to pass judgment on whether or not a scientific theory is correct. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
  • DracilDracil Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Barrakketh wrote: »
    Dracil wrote: »
    "Why can't I use my QQ IM client and MSN messenger that I use to talk to all my friends back home in China?"

    Pidgin supports QQ and MSN.

    Actually not anymore. QQ's moved to a new protocol and warned you for months, but they never updated it. So now you can't get on with Pidgin.

    Also, you're assuming my friends are willing to use something unfamiliar like pidgin.

  • ronyaronya Arrrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Dracil wrote: »
    Barrakketh wrote: »
    Dracil wrote: »
    "Why can't I use my QQ IM client and MSN messenger that I use to talk to all my friends back home in China?"

    Pidgin supports QQ and MSN.

    Actually not anymore. QQ's moved to a new protocol and blocked Pidgin.

    And QQ has a linux client, so it's a needless worry.

    MSN Messenger, on the other hand... does Pidgin support WLM's full featureset yet?

  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Tactile feedback is huge for me as well. I guess I should be thinking about what concessions I'd be willing to make for a netbook though.

    I was very adamant about hardware keyboards for devices such as smartphones. I wanted the tactile feedback and the precision of a hardware keyboard. I find the iPhone's on-screen keyboard much better than my old HTC 6800's hardware keyboard. I can touch type and I type much faster and just as accurately thanks to the auto-correct. On-screen keyboard technology can only improve and it's already pretty good.

  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Feral wrote: »

    People are saying "netbooks are becoming more powerful, so who's gonna need Google Chrome?" Okay, great, they're getting more powerful - but what if they got a little smaller? A little lighter? A little cheaper? Had touchscreens? Better battery life? Maybe what I want isn't a more powerful processor, but a computer that can do more on a smaller processor.


    But you are assuming here that a year from now processors that are more powerful will also be using more power or take up more space. This is almost certainly not going to be the case. My quad core 2.5 GHz CPU is smaller physicially and uses the slightly less power than the 300 MHz single core Pentium III I bought ~10 years ago.

    It is completely reasonable to expect chips to continue to get more powerful and lighter, cheaper and use less electricity (or, at worse, the same).

    Now in terms of physical size of the entire unit, the only way to get something smaller than a current netbook, which pack enough power to run windows just fine, is to do away with the Qwerty keyboard ala the iPhone.

    Basicially, if you want a keyboard netbooks are not getting any smaller because human fingers sure aren't going to. The smaller size Asus EEE PCs are already just a bit too small to be comfortable.

    What you think "makes sense" has nothing to do with reality. It just has to do with your life experience. And your life experience may only be a small smidgen of reality. Possibly even a distorted account of reality at that. So what this means is that, beginning in the 20th century as our means of decoding nature became more and more powerful, we started realizing our common sense is no longer a tool to pass judgment on whether or not a scientific theory is correct. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
  • DracilDracil Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    ronya wrote: »
    Dracil wrote: »
    Barrakketh wrote: »
    Dracil wrote: »
    "Why can't I use my QQ IM client and MSN messenger that I use to talk to all my friends back home in China?"

    Pidgin supports QQ and MSN.

    Actually not anymore. QQ's moved to a new protocol and blocked Pidgin.

    And QQ has a linux client, so it's a needless worry.

    MSN Messenger, on the other hand... does Pidgin support WLM's full featureset yet?

    "Chrome is linux? Hey how do I use this .deb .tar .rpm thing? Which linux am I using? Where's the Chrome version?" :P

    It's a variant of Murphy's Law. If they can fail in any way at getting it to work, they will fail.

    Also, pretty sure the answer to that is no.

  • DelzhandDelzhand motivated battle programmerRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Tactile feedback is huge for me as well. I guess I should be thinking about what concessions I'd be willing to make for a netbook though.

    My solution, if I were a hardware manufacturer (or accessory manufacturer) would be a software keyboard with a plastic "screen protector" that has the tiniest of ridges over where the keys appear. Obviously, you'd want it to be as transparent as possible, easily removable, etc.

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Feral wrote: »

    People are saying "netbooks are becoming more powerful, so who's gonna need Google Chrome?" Okay, great, they're getting more powerful - but what if they got a little smaller? A little lighter? A little cheaper? Had touchscreens? Better battery life? Maybe what I want isn't a more powerful processor, but a computer that can do more on a smaller processor.


    But you are assuming here that a year from now processors that are more powerful will also be using more power or take up more space. This is almost certainly not going to be the case. My quad core 2.5 GHz CPU is smaller physicially and uses the slightly less power than the 300 MHz single core Pentium III I bought ~10 years ago.

    It is completely reasonable to expect chips to continue to get more powerful and lighter, cheaper and use less electricity (or, at worse, the same).

    That's a good point.
    Now in terms of physical size of the entire unit, the only way to get something smaller than a current netbook, which pack enough power to run windows just fine, is to do away with the Qwerty keyboard ala the iPhone.

    Basicially, if you want a keyboard netbooks are not getting any smaller because human fingers sure aren't going to. The smaller size Asus EEE PCs are already just a bit too small to be comfortable.

    Well, I personally don't have an issue with thumb keyboards or handwriting recognition, but I understand others dislike those options.

    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
  • DracilDracil Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Dracil wrote: »
    Well, maybe I am missing the point. Is the intended audience of netbooks supposed to be computer savvy people?

    You're missing the point.

    Your netbook isn't supposed to be your only computer. They're marketed as a secondary computer, something you stuff in your backpack to supplement your desktop/widescreen laptop computer so you can do basic functions on the go.

    Think of an iPhone with a bigger screen and a keyboard and you're on the right track.
    Agreed. Assuming good faith on Google's part (i.e. they're not colluding with M$ to scam antitrust regulators into the illusion of competition or whatever), they're probably betting on a fundamental shift for what the word "computer" means.

    Even with current netbooks, the niche between iPhone and laptop is barely exploited. This isn't even just about cost. It's about size and portability too. There's a lot of cool emerging technology, like OLEDs, that is going to make it very easy to shrink computing to the extent that the iPhone will look clunky.

    Is the iPhone a phone with computerlike functions or a computer that looks and feels like a phone? I think it's becoming more and more obvious that it's the latter. But in order for this new class of device to work, Apple had to invent an operating system that suited the size and portability needs of the device. This new OS managed to completely outflank Microsoft.

    But an iPhone has an important function that neither netbooks, laptops, nor desktops have. Make and receive phone calls (not Skype).

    Given that most of people I know already have laptops, why should they pick a Google Chrome OS netbook over a WinXP netbook except to go "ooh Google! Google's good!" and then get frustrated a la my examples?

    My feeling is a lot of people look at netbooks as just smaller laptops, not iPhone replacements, and they expect everything they get from their laptops, just smaller and more portable.

  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Dracil wrote: »
    Qingu wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Dracil wrote: »
    Well, maybe I am missing the point. Is the intended audience of netbooks supposed to be computer savvy people?

    You're missing the point.

    Your netbook isn't supposed to be your only computer. They're marketed as a secondary computer, something you stuff in your backpack to supplement your desktop/widescreen laptop computer so you can do basic functions on the go.

    Think of an iPhone with a bigger screen and a keyboard and you're on the right track.
    Agreed. Assuming good faith on Google's part (i.e. they're not colluding with M$ to scam antitrust regulators into the illusion of competition or whatever), they're probably betting on a fundamental shift for what the word "computer" means.

    Even with current netbooks, the niche between iPhone and laptop is barely exploited. This isn't even just about cost. It's about size and portability too. There's a lot of cool emerging technology, like OLEDs, that is going to make it very easy to shrink computing to the extent that the iPhone will look clunky.

    Is the iPhone a phone with computerlike functions or a computer that looks and feels like a phone? I think it's becoming more and more obvious that it's the latter. But in order for this new class of device to work, Apple had to invent an operating system that suited the size and portability needs of the device. This new OS managed to completely outflank Microsoft.

    But an iPhone has an important function that neither netbooks, laptops, nor desktops have. Make and receive phone calls (not Skype).

    Given that most of people I know already have laptops, why should they pick a Google Chrome OS netbook over a WinXP netbook except to go "ooh Google! Google's good!" and then get frustrated a la my examples?

    My feeling is a lot of people look at netbooks as just smaller laptops, not iPhone replacements, and they expect everything they get from their laptops, just smaller and more portable.
    I would like an iTabletofDestinies. Basically an iPhone the size of a Kindle, that is just as portable and just as quick to turn on and easy to read.

  • fjafjanfjafjan Registered User
    edited July 2009
    But you are assuming here that a year from now processors that are more powerful will also be using more power or take up more space. This is almost certainly not going to be the case. My quad core 2.5 GHz CPU is smaller physicially and uses the slightly less power than the 300 MHz single core Pentium III I bought ~10 years ago.

    It is completely reasonable to expect chips to continue to get more powerful and lighter, cheaper and use less electricity (or, at worse, the same)

    Only for so long though. The main reason new chips are more energy efficient and more powerful is that the transistors are becoming smaller. We're gonna run into the wall there fairly soon though, we don't have much space to spare from individual atoms. This won't mean development stops, but it does mean they are gonna start getting bigger and hotter aswell.

    Yepp, THE Fjafjan (who's THE fjafjan?)
    - "Proving once again the deadliest animal of all ... is the Zoo Keeper" - Philip J Fry
  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    fjafjan wrote: »
    But you are assuming here that a year from now processors that are more powerful will also be using more power or take up more space. This is almost certainly not going to be the case. My quad core 2.5 GHz CPU is smaller physicially and uses the slightly less power than the 300 MHz single core Pentium III I bought ~10 years ago.

    It is completely reasonable to expect chips to continue to get more powerful and lighter, cheaper and use less electricity (or, at worse, the same)

    Only for so long though. The main reason new chips are more energy efficient and more powerful is that the transistors are becoming smaller. We're gonna run into the wall there fairly soon though, we don't have much space to spare from individual atoms. This won't mean development stops, but it does mean they are gonna start getting bigger and hotter aswell.

    Well, yes. Eventually this will happen. And they are running into these physical limits already in experimental chips in laboratories. But there is a lot of lag time between lab and production line.

    My guess is there is at least three more years of improvements available given current architectures and materiels.

    And Google Chome is going to come out in a bit over 1 year.

    What you think "makes sense" has nothing to do with reality. It just has to do with your life experience. And your life experience may only be a small smidgen of reality. Possibly even a distorted account of reality at that. So what this means is that, beginning in the 20th century as our means of decoding nature became more and more powerful, we started realizing our common sense is no longer a tool to pass judgment on whether or not a scientific theory is correct. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    Basically an iPhone the size of a Kindle, that is just as portable and just as quick to turn on and easy to read.

    The Kindle has a nice form factor. It really hits that balance between big enough to use and small enough to carry around everywhere.

    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Are there any resources on what Google is actually planning to do with this OS that I can read? What I've seen suggests Linux-based, which if it means we get a decent desktop platform for Linux without the hardware tie-in rape of OS X I'd be pretty god damn excited.

    Though more so if they could somehow push gaming across coz then we'd be talking "full time windows replacement" territory for me.

    Dis' wrote: »
    Cancer is when cells stop letting the body mooch off their hard work - clearly a community of like-minded cells should isolate themselves and do the best job each can do, even if the rest of the body collapses!
  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    fjafjan wrote: »
    Only for so long though. The main reason new chips are more energy efficient and more powerful is that the transistors are becoming smaller. We're gonna run into the wall there fairly soon though, we don't have much space to spare from individual atoms. This won't mean development stops, but it does mean they are gonna start getting bigger and hotter aswell.

    Eh, by then we'll start moving to optical circuits. When we start running up against Landauer's Principle is when I'll start to worry.

    Anyway, I'm kinda wondering why they're doing both this and Android; it sort of feels like nobody's at the wheel over there.

    edit: as to gaming, forget it: if you want gaming that's not on Windows, buy a console. It's sad but it is what it is; I'm the biggest Linux geek I know and I'll be the first to admit it.

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    Or I guess we could all just learn Chinese.

    No.

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