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  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Every time I open a fourth edition book, I just can't get past it looking like it wants to be tabletop World of Warcraft

    right down to having designated tanks and dps and healers and crap

    Those roles existed before in previous editions, only there was a lot of ambiguity. Now it's a clear-cut "This class excels at this role, if you like doing X, Y, and Z, pick this class." I think that's very helpful to newcomers.

    The roles existed, but the roles didn't define the characters. People picked wizard to have a character that was literate and wore a pointy hat, not to be dps.

    They even gave abilities cooldowns. Soon WotC will release "Book of 25-man Raids." There will be monsters that have a 0.1% chance to drop a Vorpal Longsword, and can only be encountered once in a month of playsessions.
    Well uh

    Wizards aren't Strikers, first off.

    And second, the roles don't define the characters. They are the basic thing that the class can excel at easily, but with the multiple build options presented in the Player's Guides and _____ Power supplements each class can do a variety of tasks.

    and finally, you are so dumb

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    cooper stop being a stupid faggot

  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Great. Now my brain is bleeding.

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  • MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I have no iddue with roles myself, I was making a fool's move. Infact i like that in one article they go and high light what each class can easily second in. And in PHB2 says right up front: Hey sorcerers are strikers, but they can also be controllers, cool huh? I was foolishly playing devil's advocate, I'm going to stop now leaving it at, Swordmage as a defender controller kicks ass.

  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Man ain't nothin wrong with the FR.

    There are a few things but the biggest complaint I've heard around is that it makes the players feel irrelevant.

    that is entirely the fault of their DM, not the setting

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  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Man ain't nothin wrong with the FR.

    But I hates it.

    Have you read up on the changes made for 4e?

    The only thing I miss are some of the more obscure deities, but since I'm, you know, the Master of My Own Universe, I just add them back in as exarchs and avatars and whatnot.
    They kept Red Knight, which I was absurdly happy about. Best deity no one has heard of ever.

    I was so very sad to discover that Helm was dead

    loved that guy

    all keepin' an eye on the outer planes during the Time of Troubles

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  • Agent CooperAgent Cooper Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Blankspace wrote: »
    And second, the roles don't define the characters. They are the basic thing that the class can excel at easily, but with the multiple build options presented in the Player's Guides and _____ Power supplements each class can do a variety of tasks.

    So

    like

    talent trees

  • MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Oh good, a real "Dnd more like WnW" idiot showed up, I can go back to being indifferent.

  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    Blankspace wrote: »
    And second, the roles don't define the characters. They are the basic thing that the class can excel at easily, but with the multiple build options presented in the Player's Guides and _____ Power supplements each class can do a variety of tasks.

    So

    like

    talent trees
    Yes

    like a thing that allows characters to specialize in different things that WoW also happens to utilize

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  • honey nut cheerioshoney nut cheerios __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    Blankspace wrote: »
    And second, the roles don't define the characters. They are the basic thing that the class can excel at easily, but with the multiple build options presented in the Player's Guides and _____ Power supplements each class can do a variety of tasks.

    So

    like

    talent trees

    Yes because everything ever has to have come from WoW.

    Even though wow got the idea for talents from feats in D&D.

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  • MorivethMoriveth Nobody suspects a thing... Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Guys stop listening to Cooper being a fag and start talking about how fun Wushu is

  • honey nut cheerioshoney nut cheerios __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Guys stop listening to Cooper being a fag and start talking about how fun Wushu is

    Washu was the smart girl from tenchi?

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  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel COME ON AND DAN AND WELCOME TO THE DANRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    RE: Forgotten Realms - 4e pretty much wiped away all of the previous issues with 'Oh well if this bad shit is going down why doesn't Elminster or Kelban Blackstaff take care of it?'

    In the current timeline one hundred years have passed since an incredible magical cataclysm occurred with the death of the Goddess of Magic, Mystra. The cosmos was thrown into chaos as the framework of magic that fundamentally flowed through the universe unraveled and burned. Gods died or disappeared, entire planes merged or were wiped out, and portions of Abeir (Toril's sister-world) returned to the Material Plane. Elminster is a powerless old wretch who mourns the loss of His Lady of Magic, Thay has become a nation of Undead led by the sinister Szass Tam. In the remains of the Moonseas a terrifying coalition of beings from the Far Realm known as the Abolithic Sovereignty has risen within an enormous floating earthmote, and whole undiscovered locales in the Underdark have been opened.

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Every time I open a fourth edition book, I just can't get past it looking like it wants to be tabletop World of Warcraft

    right down to having designated tanks and dps and healers and crap

    Those roles existed before in previous editions, only there was a lot of ambiguity. Now it's a clear-cut "This class excels at this role, if you like doing X, Y, and Z, pick this class." I think that's very helpful to newcomers.

    The roles existed, but the roles didn't define the characters. People picked wizard to have a character that was literate and wore a pointy hat, not to be dps.

    They even gave abilities cooldowns. Soon WotC will release "Book of 25-man Raids." There will be monsters that have a 0.1% chance to drop a Vorpal Longsword, and can only be encountered once in a month of playsessions.

    Ok cooper look, there are good arguments to be made along this avenue, but this ain't it. you are basically embarrassing yourself here

  • MorivethMoriveth Nobody suspects a thing... Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
  • StraightziStraightzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Moriveth wrote: »
    My character mumbles all the time so nobody actually knows his name, not to mention his filth is so strong that he can actually avoid being burned because of the pervasive funk around his body

    Rachel's character is a radioactive electric violinist named Nagi Hiroshima who is a bit of a dominatrix

    And Dubh's character is named Gizzy Moonrock and is basically an even more androgynous David Bowie

    Sounds to me like y'all need a mad scientist thereminstrel

  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Blankspace wrote: »
    And second, the roles don't define the characters. They are the basic thing that the class can excel at easily, but with the multiple build options presented in the Player's Guides and _____ Power supplements each class can do a variety of tasks.

    So

    like

    talent trees
    hahaha no

    you're funny, because you don't seem to understand 4e or WoW

  • honey nut cheerioshoney nut cheerios __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

    Especially Drow.

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  • FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY EVERY DAYRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Wushu

    gesundheit

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I'll have the wushu pork.

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  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    There is a picture of a party fighting a Warforged Titan in the ECG that may be the most badass piece of 4e art I have seen

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  • BelruelBelruel naw Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    bel, d&d 4th is hands down the funnest incarnation of d&d i've played

    yeah it is looking that way so far, i liked 3, and have fond memories from 3.5, but this one looks like i will be doing more killing stuff and less "god dammit let me go look that up again"

  • honey nut cheerioshoney nut cheerios __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    Belruel wrote: »
    bel, d&d 4th is hands down the funnest incarnation of d&d i've played

    yeah it is looking that way so far, i liked 3, and have fond memories from 3.5, but this one looks like i will be doing more killing stuff and less "god dammit let me go look that up again"

    You aren't roleplaying if you aren't looking up arcane skill check rules for seduction every session.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    Belruel wrote: »
    bel, d&d 4th is hands down the funnest incarnation of d&d i've played

    yeah it is looking that way so far, i liked 3, and have fond memories from 3.5, but this one looks like i will be doing more killing stuff and less "god dammit let me go look that up again"

    yes, exactly

    particularly if you're the dm (which i am)

    hell, i don't even really know the rules, i depend on melding for that

  • RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

    Especially Drow.
    well to be fair, though

    fuck drow

  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    RE: Forgotten Realms - 4e pretty much wiped away all of the previous issues with 'Oh well if this bad shit is going down why doesn't Elminster or Kelban Blackstaff take care of it?'

    In the current timeline one hundred years have passed since an incredible magical cataclysm occurred with the death of the Goddess of Magic, Mystra. The cosmos was thrown into chaos as the framework of magic that fundamentally flowed through the universe unraveled and burned. Gods died or disappeared, entire planes merged or were wiped out, and portions of Abeir (Toril's sister-world) returned to the Material Plane. Elminster is a powerless old wretch who mourns the loss of His Lady of Magic, Thay has become a nation of Undead led by the sinister Szass Tam. In the remains of the Moonseas a terrifying coalition of beings from the Far Realm known as the Abolithic Sovereignty has risen within an enormous floating earthmote, and whole undiscovered locales in the Underdark have been opened.
    The whole Elminster thing seemed kind of unnecessary. He was the most direct source of attack from the people who hated FR because of how powerful he'd been designed, and that seems to be the only reason they changed him. He was actually a pretty cool character that was presented as ultimately being only human far more often than a rulegod.

  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

    Especially Drow.
    well to be fair, though

    fuck drow
    Man

    Eberron Drow are actually kinda neat

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    But how will I run a campaign based on the swirling politics and rumors of the kal'Spangian antiquities market?

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  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I really dislike Elminster on a personal level for starting the Harpers

    meddling pieces of shit

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    But how will I run a campaign based on the swirling politics and rumors of the kal'Spangian antiquities market?

    man, now i want to do this

  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

    Especially Drow.
    well to be fair, though

    fuck drow

    there isn't anything inherently wrong with drow, man

    they get a bad rap because the people who play them are so frequently lame

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    D&D 2E onward - Meet a kindly old man? Elminster in disguise.

    Dashing rogue helps your party? Drizzt in disguise.

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  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    D&D 2E onward - Meet a kindly old man? Elminster in disguise.

    again

    this is not the fault of the setting

    it is the fault of the DM

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  • The Geebs That Got BigtimedThe Geebs That Got Bigtimed Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    the problem I have with forgotten realms is that every name I hear come out of there is fucking awful

  • honey nut cheerioshoney nut cheerios __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    Shorty wrote: »
    I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

    Especially Drow.
    well to be fair, though

    fuck drow

    there isn't anything inherently wrong with drow, man

    they get a bad rap because the people who play them are so frequently lame

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Shorty wrote: »
    D&D 2E onward - Meet a kindly old man? Elminster in disguise.

    again

    this is not the fault of the setting

    it is the fault of the DM

    Yeah, I actually never had that problem. I just like generalizing. I understand the novels and such were basically that though.

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  • BelruelBelruel naw Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Belruel wrote: »
    bel, d&d 4th is hands down the funnest incarnation of d&d i've played

    yeah it is looking that way so far, i liked 3, and have fond memories from 3.5, but this one looks like i will be doing more killing stuff and less "god dammit let me go look that up again"

    You aren't roleplaying if you aren't looking up arcane skill check rules for seduction every session.

    i am going to be playing a buff grizzled-ish longtooth shifter. i'll leave the seduction up to the female rogue that is going to be joining us soon

  • honey nut cheerioshoney nut cheerios __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    I dunno man, FR just seems like.

    OVERLOADED

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  • BelruelBelruel naw Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Shorty wrote: »
    I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

    Especially Drow.
    well to be fair, though

    fuck drow

    there isn't anything inherently wrong with drow, man

    they get a bad rap because the people who play them are so frequently lame

    yeah, drow can be neat, but so many dudes want to play a drizzt duder that things got bad

  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2009
    FR is perfectly fine as a generic fantasy-y setting

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