Fuck whatever we were playing, let's get ready for some goddamn DARK SUN

Blankspace

Agent Cooper wrote: »

Smart Hero wrote: »

Agent Cooper wrote: »

Every time I open a fourth edition book, I just can't get past it looking like it wants to be tabletop World of Warcraft

right down to having designated tanks and dps and healers and crap

Those roles existed before in previous editions, only there was a lot of ambiguity. Now it's a clear-cut "This class excels at this role, if you like doing X, Y, and Z, pick this class." I think that's very helpful to newcomers.

The roles existed, but the roles didn't define the characters. People picked wizard to have a character that was literate and wore a pointy hat, not to be dps.

They even gave abilities cooldowns. Soon WotC will release "Book of 25-man Raids." There will be monsters that have a 0.1% chance to drop a Vorpal Longsword, and can only be encountered once in a month of playsessions.

Well uh

Wizards aren't Strikers, first off.

And second, the roles don't define the characters. They are the basic thing that the class can excel at easily, but with the multiple build options presented in the Player's Guides and _____ Power supplements each class can do a variety of tasks.

and finally, you are so dumb

Orikaeshigitae

cooper stop being a stupid faggot

A Dabble Of Thelonius

Great. Now my brain is bleeding.

Melding

I have no iddue with roles myself, I was making a fool's move. Infact i like that in one article they go and high light what each class can easily second in. And in PHB2 says right up front: Hey sorcerers are strikers, but they can also be controllers, cool huh? I was foolishly playing devil's advocate, I'm going to stop now leaving it at, Swordmage as a defender controller kicks ass.

Shorty

Zonugal wrote: »

Smart Hero wrote: »

Man ain't nothin wrong with the FR.

There are a few things but the biggest complaint I've heard around is that it makes the players feel irrelevant.

that is entirely the fault of their DM, not the setting

Shorty

Cilla Black wrote: »

Smart Hero wrote: »

honey nut cheerios wrote: »

Smart Hero wrote: »

Man ain't nothin wrong with the FR.

But I hates it.

Have you read up on the changes made for 4e?

The only thing I miss are some of the more obscure deities, but since I'm, you know, the Master of My Own Universe, I just add them back in as exarchs and avatars and whatnot.

They kept Red Knight, which I was absurdly happy about. Best deity no one has heard of ever.

I was so very sad to discover that Helm was dead

loved that guy

all keepin' an eye on the outer planes during the Time of Troubles

Agent Cooper

Blankspace wrote: »

And second, the roles don't define the characters. They are the basic thing that the class can excel at easily, but with the multiple build options presented in the Player's Guides and _____ Power supplements each class can do a variety of tasks.

So

like

talent trees

Melding

Oh good, a real "Dnd more like WnW" idiot showed up, I can go back to being indifferent.

Blankspace

Agent Cooper wrote: »

Blankspace wrote: »

And second, the roles don't define the characters. They are the basic thing that the class can excel at easily, but with the multiple build options presented in the Player's Guides and _____ Power supplements each class can do a variety of tasks.

So

like

talent trees

Yes

like a thing that allows characters to specialize in different things that WoW also happens to utilize

honey nut cheerios

Agent Cooper wrote: »

Blankspace wrote: »

And second, the roles don't define the characters. They are the basic thing that the class can excel at easily, but with the multiple build options presented in the Player's Guides and _____ Power supplements each class can do a variety of tasks.

So

like

talent trees

Yes because everything ever has to have come from WoW.

Even though wow got the idea for talents from feats in D&D.

Moriveth

Guys stop listening to Cooper being a fag and start talking about how fun Wushu is

honey nut cheerios

Moriveth wrote: »

Guys stop listening to Cooper being a fag and start talking about how fun Wushu is

Washu was the smart girl from tenchi?

Abracadaniel

RE: Forgotten Realms - 4e pretty much wiped away all of the previous issues with 'Oh well if this bad shit is going down why doesn't Elminster or Kelban Blackstaff take care of it?'

In the current timeline one hundred years have passed since an incredible magical cataclysm occurred with the death of the Goddess of Magic, Mystra. The cosmos was thrown into chaos as the framework of magic that fundamentally flowed through the universe unraveled and burned. Gods died or disappeared, entire planes merged or were wiped out, and portions of Abeir (Toril's sister-world) returned to the Material Plane. Elminster is a powerless old wretch who mourns the loss of His Lady of Magic, Thay has become a nation of Undead led by the sinister Szass Tam. In the remains of the Moonseas a terrifying coalition of beings from the Far Realm known as the Abolithic Sovereignty has risen within an enormous floating earthmote, and whole undiscovered locales in the Underdark have been opened.

SageinaRage

Agent Cooper wrote: »

Smart Hero wrote: »

Agent Cooper wrote: »

Every time I open a fourth edition book, I just can't get past it looking like it wants to be tabletop World of Warcraft

right down to having designated tanks and dps and healers and crap

Those roles existed before in previous editions, only there was a lot of ambiguity. Now it's a clear-cut "This class excels at this role, if you like doing X, Y, and Z, pick this class." I think that's very helpful to newcomers.

The roles existed, but the roles didn't define the characters. People picked wizard to have a character that was literate and wore a pointy hat, not to be dps.

They even gave abilities cooldowns. Soon WotC will release "Book of 25-man Raids." There will be monsters that have a 0.1% chance to drop a Vorpal Longsword, and can only be encountered once in a month of playsessions.

Ok cooper look, there are good arguments to be made along this avenue, but this ain't it. you are basically embarrassing yourself here

Moriveth

http://wiki.saberpunk.net/Wushu/WushuOpenRules

Straightzi

Moriveth wrote: »

My character mumbles all the time so nobody actually knows his name, not to mention his filth is so strong that he can actually avoid being burned because of the pervasive funk around his body

Rachel's character is a radioactive electric violinist named Nagi Hiroshima who is a bit of a dominatrix

And Dubh's character is named Gizzy Moonrock and is basically an even more androgynous David Bowie

Sounds to me like y'all need a mad scientist thereminstrel

Cilla Black

Agent Cooper wrote: »

Blankspace wrote: »

And second, the roles don't define the characters. They are the basic thing that the class can excel at easily, but with the multiple build options presented in the Player's Guides and _____ Power supplements each class can do a variety of tasks.

So

like

talent trees

hahaha no

you're funny, because you don't seem to understand 4e or WoW

honey nut cheerios

I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

Especially Drow.

Fallout

Moriveth wrote: »

Wushu

gesundheit

A Dabble Of Thelonius

I'll have the wushu pork.

Blankspace

There is a picture of a party fighting a Warforged Titan in the ECG that may be the most badass piece of 4e art I have seen

Belruel

Orikaeshigitae wrote: »

bel, d&d 4th is hands down the funnest incarnation of d&d i've played

yeah it is looking that way so far, i liked 3, and have fond memories from 3.5, but this one looks like i will be doing more killing stuff and less "god dammit let me go look that up again"

honey nut cheerios

Belruel wrote: »

Orikaeshigitae wrote: »

bel, d&d 4th is hands down the funnest incarnation of d&d i've played

yeah it is looking that way so far, i liked 3, and have fond memories from 3.5, but this one looks like i will be doing more killing stuff and less "god dammit let me go look that up again"

You aren't roleplaying if you aren't looking up arcane skill check rules for seduction every session.

Orikaeshigitae

Belruel wrote: »

Orikaeshigitae wrote: »

bel, d&d 4th is hands down the funnest incarnation of d&d i've played

yeah it is looking that way so far, i liked 3, and have fond memories from 3.5, but this one looks like i will be doing more killing stuff and less "god dammit let me go look that up again"

yes, exactly

particularly if you're the dm (which i am)

hell, i don't even really know the rules, i depend on melding for that

Rankenphile

honey nut cheerios wrote: »

I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

Especially Drow.

well to be fair, though

fuck drow

Cilla Black

Smart Hero wrote: »

RE: Forgotten Realms - 4e pretty much wiped away all of the previous issues with 'Oh well if this bad shit is going down why doesn't Elminster or Kelban Blackstaff take care of it?'

In the current timeline one hundred years have passed since an incredible magical cataclysm occurred with the death of the Goddess of Magic, Mystra. The cosmos was thrown into chaos as the framework of magic that fundamentally flowed through the universe unraveled and burned. Gods died or disappeared, entire planes merged or were wiped out, and portions of Abeir (Toril's sister-world) returned to the Material Plane. Elminster is a powerless old wretch who mourns the loss of His Lady of Magic, Thay has become a nation of Undead led by the sinister Szass Tam. In the remains of the Moonseas a terrifying coalition of beings from the Far Realm known as the Abolithic Sovereignty has risen within an enormous floating earthmote, and whole undiscovered locales in the Underdark have been opened.

The whole Elminster thing seemed kind of unnecessary. He was the most direct source of attack from the people who hated FR because of how powerful he'd been designed, and that seems to be the only reason they changed him. He was actually a pretty cool character that was presented as ultimately being only human far more often than a rulegod.

Blankspace

Rankenphile wrote: »

honey nut cheerios wrote: »

I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

Especially Drow.

well to be fair, though

fuck drow

Man

Eberron Drow are actually kinda neat

A Dabble Of Thelonius

But how will I run a campaign based on the swirling politics and rumors of the kal'Spangian antiquities market?

Shorty

I really dislike Elminster on a personal level for starting the Harpers

meddling pieces of shit

Orikaeshigitae

A Dabble Of Thelonius wrote: »

But how will I run a campaign based on the swirling politics and rumors of the kal'Spangian antiquities market?

man, now i want to do this

Shorty

Rankenphile wrote: »

honey nut cheerios wrote: »

I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

Especially Drow.

well to be fair, though

fuck drow

there isn't anything inherently wrong with drow, man

they get a bad rap because the people who play them are so frequently lame

A Dabble Of Thelonius

D&D 2E onward - Meet a kindly old man? Elminster in disguise.

Dashing rogue helps your party? Drizzt in disguise.

Shorty

A Dabble Of Thelonius wrote: »

D&D 2E onward - Meet a kindly old man? Elminster in disguise.

again

this is not the fault of the setting

it is the fault of the DM

The Geebs That Is A Pony

the problem I have with forgotten realms is that every name I hear come out of there is fucking awful

honey nut cheerios

Shorty wrote: »

Rankenphile wrote: »

honey nut cheerios wrote: »

I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

Especially Drow.

well to be fair, though

fuck drow

there isn't anything inherently wrong with drow, man

they get a bad rap because the people who play them are so frequently lame

A Dabble Of Thelonius

Shorty wrote: »

A Dabble Of Thelonius wrote: »

D&D 2E onward - Meet a kindly old man? Elminster in disguise.

again

this is not the fault of the setting

it is the fault of the DM

Yeah, I actually never had that problem. I just like generalizing. I understand the novels and such were basically that though.

Belruel

honey nut cheerios wrote: »

Belruel wrote: »

Orikaeshigitae wrote: »

bel, d&d 4th is hands down the funnest incarnation of d&d i've played

yeah it is looking that way so far, i liked 3, and have fond memories from 3.5, but this one looks like i will be doing more killing stuff and less "god dammit let me go look that up again"

You aren't roleplaying if you aren't looking up arcane skill check rules for seduction every session.

i am going to be playing a buff grizzled-ish longtooth shifter. i'll leave the seduction up to the female rogue that is going to be joining us soon

honey nut cheerios

I dunno man, FR just seems like.

OVERLOADED

Belruel

Shorty wrote: »

Rankenphile wrote: »

honey nut cheerios wrote: »

I just didn't like the tone scale or really anything about FR.

Especially Drow.

well to be fair, though

fuck drow

there isn't anything inherently wrong with drow, man

they get a bad rap because the people who play them are so frequently lame

yeah, drow can be neat, but so many dudes want to play a drizzt duder that things got bad

Blankspace

FR is perfectly fine as a generic fantasy-y setting