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Pre-Fight Debate: Bracket 14

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  • SnoogySnoogy Registered User
    edited December 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    Snoogy wrote:
    Can't Grodd just boddy jump into nearby sharks and shit as well? Actually this is a really cool fight!

    edit: how long does Taskmaster's muscle memory last? i mean does he have the abilities of all the other combatants by watching the fight tapes?
    He remembers his entire life down to every little detail, including everything he's ever seen anyone do. His ability to replicate a certain move never gets rusty either. The only thing he can't copy on a first try is copying a person's voice well enough to fake out a voice verification system (it takes a few).

    You mean he has Daredevil and probably Iron Fist too? Wow is he under utilized.

  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    august wrote:
    So what the fuck does "perfect aim" mean again? I mean, to hit moving, thinking targets at a distance, you'd think it would have to some sort of future-sense or some shit.

    It means that Bullseye can hit whatever he wants, wherever he wants, whenever he wants with whatever he wants.

    He is not going to miss. Not with a fucking harpoon gun. He is going to shoot Grodd in the brain.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Snoogy wrote:
    robosagogo wrote:
    Snoogy wrote:
    Can't Grodd just boddy jump into nearby sharks and shit as well? Actually this is a really cool fight!

    edit: how long does Taskmaster's muscle memory last? i mean does he have the abilities of all the other combatants by watching the fight tapes?
    He remembers his entire life down to every little detail, including everything he's ever seen anyone do. His ability to replicate a certain move never gets rusty either. The only thing he can't copy on a first try is copying a person's voice well enough to fake out a voice verification system (it takes a few).

    You mean he has Daredevil and probably Iron Fist too? Wow is he under utilized.

    He's being used in both Moon Knight and Civil War right now.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    august wrote:
    So what the fuck does "perfect aim" mean again? I mean, to hit moving, thinking targets at a distance, you'd think it would have to some sort of future-sense or some shit.

    It means that Bullseye can hit whatever he wants, wherever he wants, whenever he wants with whatever he wants.

    He is not going to miss. Not with a fucking harpoon gun. He is going to shoot Grodd in the brain.

    It's not an unstoppable ability, Daredevil has caught shit that Bullseye has thrown at him before. Grodd could use his mind control to send Atlanteans/sharks at him thereby depleting his weapon supply before moving in for the kill.

    Also lets not forget Grodd is used to fighting the fucking Flash so its not like Bullseye is gonna be too quick for him. I'm not saying Bullseye won't hurt him, but Grodd can take alot of punishment, while Bullseye would be doomed the second Grodd got his hands on him.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Also lets not forget Grodd is used to fighting the fucking Flash so its not like Bullseye is gonna be too quick for him.

    I have to think the water will probably slow him down some, since he can't swim.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    Taskmaster has the best power set and is a complete badass.

    Shiva, Batman, Spider-man, Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Deathstroke, or any other fighter ever.

    I reall don't think ya'll understand just how badass he is.

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  • TaskmasterTaskmaster Registered User
    edited December 2006
    I don't think you get it.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Taskmaster wrote:
    I don't think you get it.

    badass

    Ok that was pretty badass

  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Guys I'm pretty sure when Grodd sees the harpoon coming he'll go Hey I should probably stop that and will proceed to do so.

    He fights Wally fucking West on a regular basis. A harpoon gun isn't going to be too fast for him.

    And then come the sharks.

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  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Grodd and Taskmaster. I've always assumed Bullseye could "throw (blank) with perfect accuracy" not simply "has perfect accuracy", if that is not correct then I still give it to Grodd since Grodd still has alot of mental powers that he has at his disposal.

    Taskmaster isn't in any real danger in his fight vs grundy. As long as he doesn't try and box the big dead guy he has the match in the bag.

  • ServoServo Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2006
    it's pretty much just perfect accuracy, though it's unclear whether it's a 'power' or not

    gotta give it to bullseye in that round though

    what's grodd gonna do? gorilla him to death?

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  • ServoServo Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2006
    'oh no, i'm bullseye and i'm fighting a talking ape! good thing i have a fucking gun.'

    at least he'll have a nice new coat next time daredevil kicks his ass

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  • ServoServo Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2006
    Furu wrote:
    Guys I'm pretty sure when Grodd sees the harpoon coming he'll go Hey I should probably stop that and will proceed to do so.

    He fights Wally fucking West on a regular basis. A harpoon gun isn't going to be too fast for him.

    And then come the sharks.

    grodd doesn't beat wally because he's fast

    he beats wally because wally's too nice a guy to fucking kill him

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    I doubt that Grodd is too keen on being totally submerged.

    Neither is Bullseye, but Bullseye has a weapon made for moving extremely fast through water and has the accuracy to make it hit the mark.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Solomon Grundy,
    Born on a Monday,
    Christened on Tuesday,
    Married on Wednesday,
    Took ill on Thursday,
    Grew worse on Friday,
    Died on Saturday,
    Buried on Sunday.
    That was the end of
    Solomon Grundy.

    Uh, anyway. I don't think Bullseye's perfect with a harpoon gun. He throws shit. He doesn't have a power he's just good a tossin' stuff. He's not Hawkeye, killin' dudes with fingernails. He'd still be a pretty good shot, but a Gorilla is around 500 pounds of pure muscle, and Grodd being a DC supervillain, probably weighs a ton and benches buildings. Bullseye has one chance for a lethal shot, because harpoons are a bitch to reload. If he misses he'll go all emo then get eaten.

    Taskmaster's such a lame character. He carries around a replica of Cap's shield, Daredevil's batons, and watched them, Wolverine and Deadpool fight. He might get beat in a slugfest, but all of the character's he can emulate have taken on bigger, badder, dudes and either held their own or won.

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  • SlagmireSlagmire Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Grodd and Grundy - Grodd might not like the water, but he's hyper-intelligent and super strong, and that's saying nothing about his mental abilities used on the denizens of Atlantis; he'll be able to take out Bullseye despite the fact that he might get a shot in on him. Problem is with that adamantium, he's going to be slowed down a lot underwater, and loading a harpoon gun can be a bitch even without distraction. Grundy can take whatever Taskmaster can dish out, so much so that he will just outlast him.

  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Malkor wrote:
    Solomon Grundy,
    Born on a Monday,
    Christened on Tuesday,
    Married on Wednesday,
    Took ill on Thursday,
    Grew worse on Friday,
    Died on Saturday,
    Buried on Sunday.
    That was the end of
    Solomon Grundy.

    Uh, anyway. I don't think Bullseye's perfect with a harpoon gun. He throws shit. He doesn't have a power he's just good a tossin' stuff. He's not Hawkeye, killin' dudes with fingernails. He'd still be a pretty good shot, but a Gorilla is around 500 pounds of pure muscle, and Grodd being a DC supervillain, probably weighs a ton and benches buildings. Bullseye has one chance for a lethal shot, because harpoons are a bitch to reload. If he misses he'll go all emo then get eaten.

    Taskmaster's such a lame character. He carries around a replica of Cap's shield, Daredevil's batons, and watched them, Wolverine and Deadpool fight. He might get beat in a slugfest, but all of the character's he can emulate have taken on bigger, badder, dudes and either held their own or won.

    I'm pretty sure Ultimate Hawkeye, who did the fingernail thing, is probably based on 616 Bullseye as much as 616 Hawkeye. That was definitely a Bullseye kind of move.

  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Malkor wrote:
    Uh, anyway. I don't think Bullseye's perfect with a harpoon gun.

    You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Actually, not just wrong, but categorically incorrect.

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  • CharmyCharmy Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Grodd wins fight one hands down. Perfect accuracy doesn't do you any good when your target is protected by a living sheild of Atlanteans and sharks, and you are also being attacked by more sharks.

    Bullseye has one shot to do this, and it's too easy for Grodd to keep him from taking it. Grodd wins.

    I have yet to be sold on the Grundy/Taskmaster fight. Can't say with any level of reasonability how it's going to go.

  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Charmy wrote:
    Grodd wins fight one hands down. Perfect accuracy doesn't do you any good when your target is protected by a living sheild of Atlanteans and sharks, and you are also being attacked by more sharks.

    Bullseye has one shot to do this, and it's too easy for Grodd to keep him from taking it. Grodd wins.

    I have yet to be sold on the Grundy/Taskmaster fight. Can't say with any level of reasonability how it's going to go.

    Bullseye can exploit the tiniest, most insignificant opening you can imagine. Grodd is totally dead.

    Bullseye needs one shot at the most. Just one. And then Grodd is dead.

    Because Grodd's mobility underwater is severely limited, and because he really doesn't have the time to prepare for Bullseye.

    Grodd doesn't know anything about Bullseye, remember? He doesn't know that Bullseye is pretty much incapable of missing.

    And I would have you know that Daredevil and Spider-Man only manage to not get killed by Bullseye because of their superhuman senses.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Charmy wrote:
    I have yet to be sold on the Grundy/Taskmaster fight. Can't say with any level of reasonability how it's going to go.
    Well for this one I'm going to go with Taskmaster going all vegematic with his swords on Grundy. Taskmaster has too many moves at his disposal and is too fast for the zombie.

  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Malkor wrote:
    Uh, anyway. I don't think Bullseye's perfect with a harpoon gun.

    You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Actually, not just wrong, but categorically incorrect.

    K. I've just never read anything with him shooting anyone. Its always with the throwing. Throwing cards, apples, knives, and teeth. I figure he's still an excellent marksman when it comes to projectiles, but can't pull the insane stuff he does with anything he can throw.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Malkor wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Malkor wrote:
    Uh, anyway. I don't think Bullseye's perfect with a harpoon gun.

    You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Actually, not just wrong, but categorically incorrect.

    K. I've just never read anything with him shooting anyone. Its always with the throwing. Throwing cards, apples, knives, and teeth. I figure he's still an excellent marksman when it comes to projectiles, but can't pull the insane stuff he does with anything he can throw.

    If it involves throwing or shooting in any way Bullseye does not miss. Unless he is fighting someone with super senses like Dare Devil or Spider-Man.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Malkor wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Malkor wrote:
    Uh, anyway. I don't think Bullseye's perfect with a harpoon gun.

    You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Actually, not just wrong, but categorically incorrect.

    K. I've just never read anything with him shooting anyone. Its always with the throwing. Throwing cards, apples, knives, and teeth. I figure he's still an excellent marksman when it comes to projectiles, but can't pull the insane stuff he does with anything he can throw.

    Wikipedia:

    Bullseye has no superhuman powers, however, his uncanny abilities to use virtually any object as a lethal projectile makes him more dangerous than many characters who do have superhuman powers. While not superhuman, Bullseye can accomplish many feats with thrown projectiles that are impossible outside of fiction. Some of his accomplishments include: lacerate a person's throat with a thrown playing card, spit his own tooth through a human skull, toss a paper airplane to a distant rooftop, and kill a person with a toothpick thrown through a window from a hundred yards away.

    Now, I'd think that, compared to lacerating someone's throat with a playing card, shooting someone with a harpoon would be kinda easy.

  • CharmyCharmy Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Charmy wrote:
    Grodd wins fight one hands down. Perfect accuracy doesn't do you any good when your target is protected by a living sheild of Atlanteans and sharks, and you are also being attacked by more sharks.

    Bullseye has one shot to do this, and it's too easy for Grodd to keep him from taking it. Grodd wins.

    I have yet to be sold on the Grundy/Taskmaster fight. Can't say with any level of reasonability how it's going to go.

    Bullseye can exploit the tiniest, most insignificant opening you can imagine. Grodd is totally dead.

    Bullseye needs one shot at the most. Just one. And then Grodd is dead.

    Because Grodd's mobility underwater is severely limited, and because he really doesn't have the time to prepare for Bullseye.

    Grodd doesn't know anything about Bullseye, remember? He doesn't know that Bullseye is pretty much incapable of missing.

    And I would have you know that Daredevil and Spider-Man only manage to not get killed by Bullseye because of their superhuman senses.

    You know, there's a warm, fuzzy feeling associated with being at the recieving end of one of your arguments. I don't know why people complain about it.

    Seriously, I appreciate your passion. The only thing I really feel confident in refuting there is mobility, on the grounds neither of them have a strong advantage (adamantium would slow Bullseye down and what-not). You do make a compelling argument for why Bullseye gets his shot, though.

    I guess the one last question is "how fast do harpoons move underwater?". If it's something Grodd can react to (even to turn a killing blow into a terrible wound), then he still wins. Sharks get Bullseye before he reloads.

  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Bullseye's skeleton is only reinfirced with small strips of the stuff. It does not add a significant amount of weight to his body.

    Especially since adamantium isn't a very heavy material at all. It is not super-dense, its molecules are merely lined up in an improbably regular and durable structure.

    And Grodd is a gorilla. Gorillas do not swim. They are incapable of it. No locomotion for Grodd in this fight.

    And harpoons are specifically designed to move really quickly underwater. They are weapons designed for underwater shooting. It moves hella fast. Faster than Bullseye can most things on land. If it takes special powers or extreme, mind-bendingly improbable amounts of skill to avoid a playing card from cutting your jugular vein, you are pretty much dead when confronted with a harpoon.

    Also, I'm pleased to see that you like argueing with me. I really appreciate that. Thank you. You're welcome, by the way.

    Warm and fuzzy. Perhaps I should go pick on some homeless people during the holidays, to help them get through the nights.

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  • CharmyCharmy Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Warm and fuzzy. Perhaps I should go pick on some homeless people during the holidays, to help them get through the nights.

    It only works if you argue with them the whole time. Just pull up all the old tournament matches and ask them how they think it would go.

  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Charmy wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Warm and fuzzy. Perhaps I should go pick on some homeless people during the holidays, to help them get through the nights.

    It only works if you argue with them the whole time. Just pull up all the old tournament matches and ask them how they think it would go.

    I take great pleasure from that mental image.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Malkor wrote:
    Charmy wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Warm and fuzzy. Perhaps I should go pick on some homeless people during the holidays, to help them get through the nights.

    It only works if you argue with them the whole time. Just pull up all the old tournament matches and ask them how they think it would go.

    I take great pleasure from that mental image.

    See? It's already working!

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Blackjack wrote:
    Malkor wrote:
    Charmy wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Warm and fuzzy. Perhaps I should go pick on some homeless people during the holidays, to help them get through the nights.

    It only works if you argue with them the whole time. Just pull up all the old tournament matches and ask them how they think it would go.

    I take great pleasure from that mental image.

    See? It's already working!

    it's a christmas miracle!

  • SnoogySnoogy Registered User
    edited December 2006
    In the spirit of Spex's warming glow, lets just cancel the tourniment and assume that all involved agree to disagree.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Bullseye's skeleton is only reinfirced with small strips of the stuff. It does not add a significant amount of weight to his body.

    Especially since adamantium isn't a very heavy material at all. It is not super-dense, its molecules are merely lined up in an improbably regular and durable structure.

    The coating of adamantium around Wolverine's bones adds over 100 lbs to his weight. It's a bit heavier than you are giving it credit for.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Bullseye's skeleton is only reinfirced with small strips of the stuff. It does not add a significant amount of weight to his body.

    Especially since adamantium isn't a very heavy material at all. It is not super-dense, its molecules are merely lined up in an improbably regular and durable structure.

    The coating of adamantium around Wolverine's bones adds over 100 lbs to his weight. It's a bit heavier than you are giving it credit for.
    But Wolverine has his entire skeleton coated with the stuff where Bullseye just has some thin strips.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Bullseye's skeleton is only reinfirced with small strips of the stuff. It does not add a significant amount of weight to his body.

    Especially since adamantium isn't a very heavy material at all. It is not super-dense, its molecules are merely lined up in an improbably regular and durable structure.

    The coating of adamantium around Wolverine's bones adds over 100 lbs to his weight. It's a bit heavier than you are giving it credit for.
    But Wolverine has his entire skeleton coated with the stuff where Bullseye just has some thin strips.

    Yeah, but its not like it's a really think coating of it. It's one layer of it laid over his bones. Bullseye does not have nearly as much of it on his bones but there would still be some added weight from the strips he has.

    Checking the Marvel database says he has 25 lbs of the stuff over his bones.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    25 pounds really isn't that much. Especially since it's spread out over his body and he's used to moving with it in his body.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    25 lbs of metal would weigh you down in water. It's not very buoyant and sinks, which would pull Bullseye down with it.

    Dumb Hero wrote: »
    "Okay, you take 2d4 damage from the ogre's dick impaling your 2inch anus"
    Hey, Satan.
  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User
    edited December 2006
    I'd rather be a guy with 25 lbs of metal trying to swim than a gorilla.

  • CowbombCowbomb Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    25 lbs of metal would weigh you down in water. It's not very buoyant and sinks, which would pull Bullseye down with it.

    But it's not like he has to flip around or anything - he only has to raise the harpoon gun and fire.

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  • SnoogySnoogy Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    25 lbs of metal would weigh you down in water. It's not very buoyant and sinks, which would pull Bullseye down with it.

    If we are going to worry about him sinking, why not wonder if its too dark to see as well. I assumed this was a standard comic book underwater fight, which means that they are basically weightless.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Snoogy wrote:
    Marathon wrote:
    25 lbs of metal would weigh you down in water. It's not very buoyant and sinks, which would pull Bullseye down with it.

    If we are going to worry about him sinking, why not wonder if its too dark to see as well. I assumed this was a standard comic book underwater fight, which means that they are basically weightless.

    Oh I agree with you. I think Bullseye would win too. I was just pointing out to Spex that he was wrong about adamantium being light weight and not adding a significant ammount of weight to Bullseye As it stands the strips he has on him account for 13% of his body weight.

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    "Okay, you take 2d4 damage from the ogre's dick impaling your 2inch anus"
    Hey, Satan.
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