I'm just not sold on Chrome OS for a few reasons.
1) I've used thin clients before and they're PIA.
2) I live in a heavy MS eco system.
3) It would have to support Live Mesh for me to even consider it.
4) No local storage of anything.
I'm just not sold on Chrome OS for a few reasons.
1) I've used thin clients before and they're PIA.
2) I live in a heavy MS eco system.
3) It would have to support Live Mesh for me to even consider it.
4) No local storage of anything.
I'm just not sold on Chrome OS for a few reasons.
1) I've used thin clients before and they're PIA.
2) I live in a heavy MS eco system.
3) It would have to support Live Mesh for me to even consider it.
4) No local storage of anything.
I think that saying an OS won't work for you is a lot different than saying whether or not its a good OS. Chrome may not work for some people's business situations, but for "civilian" activities? It seems to be pretty fantastic.
Yes, you won't be playing Starcraft 2 on it, but I totally expect there to be RTS games built for Native Client or HTML5. So its not like gaming will be impossible.
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But I mean why would I go to wave and "wave" them when I can go to my already open email and send them an email.
Sending them an email takes less time and in the days of push notification is just as fast.
Wait, how does sending someone an e-mail take less time? With wave, as soon as you hit done it's in their inbox. Unless you've been disconnected somehow, but the same thing happens with e-mail. E-mail on the other hand has to go into your "outbox" then wait until the client finishes processing the send request etc.
Or take it from the other side; why would you even bother e-mailing someone when you could just IM them? Much faster and you're likely to get an instant response.
Or have you forgotten that your e-mail client takes time to start up from cold too?
Because in a work environment (and hell even at home) I always leave my email on.
Email is one click away.
Wave I need to start an application you can argue that I can just leave it on, but I'm leaving an application running that has maybe a tenth of the amount of people on it.
I think for wave to really catch on you are going to be able to send a wave to anyone, and if they don't have way downgrade it somehow to an email, and then they reply, and have it reintroduced back into the wave.
Yeah, it's too bad. I know I'm in the minority by a long shot, but I loved Wave and my friends and I used it daily as a kind of perpetual chat.
What will be interesting is what they do with all the Waves people have. As far as I know there's no option for exporting/printing the information in a Wave, and lots of people have used it for business purposes. What's going to happen to all that data?
It was just tooo slow. I'm not sure why they didn't try to make a real desktop application. They were pretending to re-invent e-mail while forgetting that most people actually use e-mail with a desktop application, and for good reasons.
It was just tooo slow. I'm not sure why they didn't try to make a real desktop application. They were pretending to re-invent e-mail while forgetting that most people actually use e-mail with a desktop application, and for good reasons.
Eh, I can see why they did it. They envision people eventually using a thin client with Chrome OS to connect to Google apps, mail/wave, and Google cloud-based storage for most data. They want to remove the distinction between web app and desktop app.
Not that it's a good idea, but I can see their reasoning.
Well that's depressing. It actually had quite a few nifty uses.
I'm sure some of the good stuff from it will probably make its way into gmail eventually, and since its open source, it'll continue on somewhere. But I was so hopeful for it.
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It came out about a year too late to be of any use to me. I probably would have used it a ton in college, especially for group projects. Instead, I gave it a bit of a look when it came out, shrugged, and ignored it until I heard about it's death a couple days ago. Too bad. It kind of reminded me of PictoChat on the DS. It's fun to play with for a little while, but ultimately everyone winds up drawing penises.
I think it could have amazing been if it had an Android app, though.
I actually use Buzz everyday since it's an easy way to comment on my friends Reader shares/tweets/etc. Granted, the way they launched the thing was terrible.
I actually use Buzz everyday since it's an easy way to comment on my friends Reader shares/tweets/etc. Granted, the way they launched the thing was terrible.
Yeah, I use it a few times a week. Not many people that I know do, but enough to make it useful.
The Buzz app for Android is pretty good too. I can see myself using that a lot in the future.
Too slow, too cumbersome and ugly when you try to figure out which posts are new in gargantuan threads that load so slow in tiny windows.
More a fan of google docs for collaboration. Wave wasn't good enough to replace IM, mail or fora. Those traditional tools work fine.
However, if you needed to work with a group of people where the alternative was setting up an email list, Google Doc, and IRC channel? Wave was completely amazing. It was a bit slow (although it's much faster now than it used to be) and some parts of it were kinda clunky (reading new posts, mostly), but it was still awesome.
... most people actually use e-mail with a desktop application, and for good reasons.
This is untrue, and growing increasingly untrue.
In 5 years, though, most people will be using email primarily on a mobile device, and admittedly Wave doesn't seem suited to a very small interface.
Yeah, nobody I know uses a desktop application to check their email.
People in work places?
There's this silly idea that comes around every ten years or so where it's all "omfg! thin clients!" and then everybody goes back to applications running on their pc. That's not to say a lot of people don't use webmail, because they do. But people will continue to use email programs just as surely as the sun rises and sets everyday.*
* Except in the north pole and Antarctic.
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Yeah I'm a big outlook user and a majority of the people I know use a desktop application for their email.
Once you get screwed over because your ISP went down, power outages in the area, fiber line clipped by road construction crews you quickly start keeping things client side. I have experienced all of these so I now use Outlook to manage & back everything up.
The fact that Office 2007 & 2010 both can directly interface with my live account to save/open documents is also a big help. As well as the Offce cloud version that I can use for free.
You know why this was doomed? Because it was based on Firefly.
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If they'd integrated wave and gmail it would have been heaven for me.
My problem with wave was nothing to do with the interface, but the fact that I didn't really know anyone else who used it. I actually quite liked it, and preferred it to using IM stuff.
Why would any of those things screw you over? It's never happened to me.
The why part is simple, when I couldn't access my email or log in to school/work it caused me lots of problems.
What I described was various situations I've encountered over the years. I've been in buildings where the internet was down because a road crew severed their fiber optic cables. So anyone that didn't have their data on the local servers was out of luck.
I've had my various local ISP nodes go down for weather conditions and car accidents that either slammed in to the nod its self or took down the poll holding the data cables. In one situation power lines went down and while my house had power the ISP nod was one transformer over, which was down.
I've seen acts of God where the Local branch, the main State Office, & Corporate Head Quarters 2 states away all have their networks go down in the same 24 hour period from different snow storms in the Midwest.
So in short I keep local copies of my data ranging from plain email to all documents.
The javascript library you can use to make little javascript programs in wave is pretty nifty. You can register a variable to be 'shared' among all the people in the wave and get callbacks whenever it updated. I was hoping to get around making some turn based multiplayer game with it, well I still could I guess. I had figured out an easy way to upload your scripts and get an url for them, just pop them onto pastebin and use the 'RAW' link.
I'm still using it for project collaboration. For instance, when setting up a repository, I document my set up process so that others can see if I make mistakes. I also post links to research, and because you can edit it, I cross out the links when we decide they aren't useful.
I'm actually pretty unhappy that this is going out. Back to google docs, I guess?
I'm still using it for project collaboration. For instance, when setting up a repository, I document my set up process so that others can see if I make mistakes. I also post links to research, and because you can edit it, I cross out the links when we decide they aren't useful.
I'm actually pretty unhappy that this is going out. Back to google docs, I guess?
Novell is continuing with their (probably closed source and expensive?) implementation of the Wave protocol; Novell Pulse. Which makes sense, I can see it being pretty useful as a company-hosted app in specific business settings. If they feel really nice, we might get a free version of Pulse, too.
If enough people feel like building a decent client, we've also got the open source reference implementation of the backend.
My problem with wave was nothing to do with the interface, but the fact that I didn't really know anyone else who used it. I actually quite liked it, and preferred it to using IM stuff.
Really, Wave isn't great as an IM/IRC substitute, and that's what most people seemed to use it for. The realtime aspect of things didn't help much with this perception, although the threaded structure hinted that it was probably intended for more lengthy posts. Analogue might fill the void for some people; think an open source Campfire-like thing.
I'm still using it for project collaboration. For instance, when setting up a repository, I document my set up process so that others can see if I make mistakes. I also post links to research, and because you can edit it, I cross out the links when we decide they aren't useful.
I'm actually pretty unhappy that this is going out. Back to google docs, I guess?
I'm still using it for project collaboration. For instance, when setting up a repository, I document my set up process so that others can see if I make mistakes. I also post links to research, and because you can edit it, I cross out the links when we decide they aren't useful.
I'm actually pretty unhappy that this is going out. Back to google docs, I guess?
A wiki?
I'd considered that, but I like the email contact style approach with Wave. I don't want to set up a separate wiki for each contact list. Though our team is small enough that it probably wouldn't matter.
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1) I've used thin clients before and they're PIA.
2) I live in a heavy MS eco system.
3) It would have to support Live Mesh for me to even consider it.
4) No local storage of anything.
I don't think it's meant for you.
Yes, you won't be playing Starcraft 2 on it, but I totally expect there to be RTS games built for Native Client or HTML5. So its not like gaming will be impossible.
Because in a work environment (and hell even at home) I always leave my email on.
Email is one click away.
Wave I need to start an application you can argue that I can just leave it on, but I'm leaving an application running that has maybe a tenth of the amount of people on it.
I think for wave to really catch on you are going to be able to send a wave to anyone, and if they don't have way downgrade it somehow to an email, and then they reply, and have it reintroduced back into the wave.
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What will be interesting is what they do with all the Waves people have. As far as I know there's no option for exporting/printing the information in a Wave, and lots of people have used it for business purposes. What's going to happen to all that data?
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It was just tooo slow. I'm not sure why they didn't try to make a real desktop application. They were pretending to re-invent e-mail while forgetting that most people actually use e-mail with a desktop application, and for good reasons.
Eh, I can see why they did it. They envision people eventually using a thin client with Chrome OS to connect to Google apps, mail/wave, and Google cloud-based storage for most data. They want to remove the distinction between web app and desktop app.
Not that it's a good idea, but I can see their reasoning.
I'm sure some of the good stuff from it will probably make its way into gmail eventually, and since its open source, it'll continue on somewhere. But I was so hopeful for it.
I think it could have amazing been if it had an Android app, though.
More a fan of google docs for collaboration. Wave wasn't good enough to replace IM, mail or fora. Those traditional tools work fine.
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Yeah, I use it a few times a week. Not many people that I know do, but enough to make it useful.
The Buzz app for Android is pretty good too. I can see myself using that a lot in the future.
This is untrue, and growing increasingly untrue.
In 5 years, though, most people will be using email primarily on a mobile device, and admittedly Wave doesn't seem suited to a very small interface.
However, if you needed to work with a group of people where the alternative was setting up an email list, Google Doc, and IRC channel? Wave was completely amazing. It was a bit slow (although it's much faster now than it used to be) and some parts of it were kinda clunky (reading new posts, mostly), but it was still awesome.
Yeah, nobody I know uses a desktop application to check their email.
People in work places?
There's this silly idea that comes around every ten years or so where it's all "omfg! thin clients!" and then everybody goes back to applications running on their pc. That's not to say a lot of people don't use webmail, because they do. But people will continue to use email programs just as surely as the sun rises and sets everyday.*
* Except in the north pole and Antarctic.
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I've got a spare copy of Portal, if anyone wants it message me.
Once you get screwed over because your ISP went down, power outages in the area, fiber line clipped by road construction crews you quickly start keeping things client side. I have experienced all of these so I now use Outlook to manage & back everything up.
The fact that Office 2007 & 2010 both can directly interface with my live account to save/open documents is also a big help. As well as the Offce cloud version that I can use for free.
My problem with wave was nothing to do with the interface, but the fact that I didn't really know anyone else who used it. I actually quite liked it, and preferred it to using IM stuff.
I'm kinda sad it's ending.
The why part is simple, when I couldn't access my email or log in to school/work it caused me lots of problems.
What I described was various situations I've encountered over the years. I've been in buildings where the internet was down because a road crew severed their fiber optic cables. So anyone that didn't have their data on the local servers was out of luck.
I've had my various local ISP nodes go down for weather conditions and car accidents that either slammed in to the nod its self or took down the poll holding the data cables. In one situation power lines went down and while my house had power the ISP nod was one transformer over, which was down.
I've seen acts of God where the Local branch, the main State Office, & Corporate Head Quarters 2 states away all have their networks go down in the same 24 hour period from different snow storms in the Midwest.
So in short I keep local copies of my data ranging from plain email to all documents.
A good, production quality desktop client would have resolved that.
I used Wave for a few things, and then I ran out of reasons to prefer it over email and Facebook.
I'm actually pretty unhappy that this is going out. Back to google docs, I guess?
So would a good production quality web client.
Novell is continuing with their (probably closed source and expensive?) implementation of the Wave protocol; Novell Pulse. Which makes sense, I can see it being pretty useful as a company-hosted app in specific business settings. If they feel really nice, we might get a free version of Pulse, too.
If enough people feel like building a decent client, we've also got the open source reference implementation of the backend.
Really, Wave isn't great as an IM/IRC substitute, and that's what most people seemed to use it for. The realtime aspect of things didn't help much with this perception, although the threaded structure hinted that it was probably intended for more lengthy posts. Analogue might fill the void for some people; think an open source Campfire-like thing.
A wiki?
I'd considered that, but I like the email contact style approach with Wave. I don't want to set up a separate wiki for each contact list. Though our team is small enough that it probably wouldn't matter.