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[Politics] Julia Hall: Obama's Possibly Planted Question and Reactions
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And in fact tonsillectomies are over performed, this is widely accepted in the medical community. My fiancee wrote papers about it in nursing school several years ago.
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I think you're missing the point. I wasn't "Oh, the antibiotics didn't work, let's send him to surgery." This was "Let's keep pumping full of antibiotics for six months while he loses all his weight and can't keep any food down, then keep thinking we can do the same thing in order to avoid a more costly surgery even though it hasn't proven effective for six fucking months already." I was actually very lucky that it didn't progress to rheumatic fever during this time.
I mean, they'd make millions per year if they did.
So really, at worst he muddled his words.
Not knowing what you were going through in that six month period, I did greatly underestimate how badly your doctor fucked up, but that still doesn't mean that a tonsillectomy should be the first resort, which is the point Obama was trying to make.
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I did read it. I still don't have my answer. If it's seriously just a case of him screwing up his numbers / attributions twice while castigating the fee for service model and its fucked up incentives you're stretching the bounds of English.
Failed as of today? Congress is in Recess. They legally can't vote for or against a damn thing unless a special session gets called. Lousy time-space continuum moving forward at a measured pace?
How is that weather in Fantasy Land today?
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As you said we do not know what level of screening happened. The entire thing could have been heavily staged.
You are assuming this is the only thing our administration, or even past administrations have engaged in that skirt the legal boundaries. Do I get to eyeroll you when you admit your own bias?
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Maybe someone should pick up on that
It's not illegal, but it's disingenuous and it can cause a lot of people to have a gut reaction that they're trying to control the conversation and not have an actual dialogue. Yes, they all do it, but if they're caught, it can lead to subjective questions.
How many town halls have you been to? She was actually more cogent than a lot of the 40+ people I've seen 'ask' rants to public officials.
And she might have been a lizard man sent to ensure the continuation of their generations long plot to control the world. Barring actual proof that she was a plant, I'mma go with the assumption that she wasn't a plant. Particularly since not all of the questions fielded at the other town hall he had in Montana were of the 'why are you so awesome?' variety.
How is this skirting any legal boundaries or only quasi-legal? And cynicism isn't a bias, it's just a sad shadow of a substitute for wisdom.
Another good point for either her being a plant, or someone pressing the question upon her.
And I am going with the assumption that politicians will "play politics" when and if they feel they can get away with it.
Never said it was. What i did say was "I admit however that I would not be shocked to learn a politician with an agenda worked to forward that agenda by any quasi legal means necessary. How do you tell when a politician is lying? His lips are moving."
You have a strange way of constituting evidence.
That's nice. It doesn't imply or require the use of a plant rather than rank opportunism when you notice a photogenic looking girl with her hand raised.
Never said it was what? And, again, how is asking a girl a question skirting any legal boundaries? Hell, even pretending that she was a plant, how is planting a girl in a town hall in order to ask her a question skirting any legal boundaries?
Sitting next to a woman who you have been photographed with previously, and is historically been a staunch supporter. Want to chalk it up to rank opportunism due to cute girl, with known supporter, asking question mom helped her prepare? That to me is not that unlikely. More likely than she came up with the question herself, uncoached, and was randomly selected to ask it second.
Go back, reread what I wrote. Reread it again. Do that 5 more times then tell me exactly where I said that his incident was quasi legal. Reading comprehension, try it sometime.
"I admit however that I would not be shocked to learn a politician with an agenda worked to forward that agenda by any quasi legal means necessary." Where does ANYTHING in this statement make the claim that this incident was illegal? What I again said, and just quoted was that I would not be surprised to learn a politician would engage in illegal, or quasi legal activities to further an agenda. My point is that were it to be revealed Obama, or any politician for that matter was revealed to be engaged in illegal, or quasi legal activities related to furthering their own position I would not be surprised. Whether this applies to the current plant, no plant, Obama is a plant person hybrid, is a matter to be discovered.
Now let's remove the dependent clause in there to get
Implying of course that this is just one of many activities that "skirts the legal boundaries." You should proofread what you post, I guess.
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I'm not in any way saying that's what happened here. I'm just saying that if it were to happen, elsewhere, I wouldn't be surprised.
President Obama is good for the people??
His intent is to help people. Though most people seem to disagree on how effective that help is, and if it could be more effective if structured differently.
Your contributions to the political discourse are Legend--- wait for it ---arily shitty. The Intertube equivalent of "WE ARE ALL SCARED OF OBAMA" is not useful.
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He's trying to to his fullest ability, and his plans are way better than republican pundits want to make you believe
the us health care system is shit, and no, the world does not depend on copying the US health progress, either.
If those pundits and people following them actually had better ideas, or would simply not LIE about almost everything they say, just to discredit obama, maybe they wouldn't be as worthy of ridicule as they are right now
All they've got left is pissing in the face of the people trying to do something about the current untenable situation. And if they DO offer something, it won't be any more grounded in reality than Mccain suspending his campaign when the economy crashed, or the 2 page mockery of a budget bill they offered to get things back on track when they tried obstructing the stimulus.
Is this some kind of really subtle parody of bad logic or are you just really daft?
*May or may not be a miss-type which shall be repeated the next time I talk about this girl, despite the fact that I will have half this thread correct me on my facts and perhaps even a team of analysts and a speech-writer and fact checker go over my next post beforehand.
Yeah, tongue in cheek here folks. That being said, I was talking to a husband and wife surgeon couple, and they were just this side of livid about the repeated miss-representation of the amounts they get paid, and the public opinion about how they make their living. (They live in a Rancher on an acre lot on the Eastern-Shore and only lease a single car, not that it matters, but to give some perspective)
If my company bills @ $200 an hour for a callout, but only pays me $40 per hour, I dont get livid when people complain about it being $200 for my work.
Fuck, they are surgeons, maybe they can implant a thicker skin.
At the fact that people are making all doctors and surgeons out to be some sort of fat-cats that are Scrooge McDucking it up in their un-necessary surgery-funded mansions. Not all doctors might be like them, I haven't met every American doctor, but painting them all with the same brush is stupid.
And I did say 'just this side of livid'... you know, if you wanted to not be a flippant dick
Hell, let me clarify further. They were hurt to the point of almost being livid. There.
I mean, wouldn't you be if you did your job from wanting to help people (which you might, in which case good for you!) and suddenly there were people protesting you and screaming that you did un-necessary house calls just to rack up a bill, when there was no way the person was going to get their shit working without you? I would certainly be taken aback. But anyhow, I was just attempting to make a mild topical joke with a dash of relevant personal experience tossed in. C'est la vie.
How about we go back to what I originally wrote and you actually read that, because so far nothing you have said has disagreed with my original point. Politicians with an agenda will engage in illegal or quasi-legal activities in order to further their agenda.
Saying "Obama did not plant the girl" does not in any way negate my point. Personally I think a good old fashioned "think of the children" whether crafted by the administration, or just an overzealous former campaigner is at the best just plain dishonest.
This is the same shit our previous administration was guilty of, and I would like to see it avoided in the next three and a half years.
It only took me one additional reading, actually. I don't really even care that much, but claiming you never said something that you wrote on the same page sort of grates.
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The issue isn't that they're all evil goatee scratching island dwelling bastards growing rich off the fat of their unwitting patients. The problem is that the fee for service setup under insurance plans and hospitals with profit sharing labs/techs/what have you that practically begs for unnecessary tests. Unlike integrated clinics/institutes which generally provide better care at lower costs. Doctors and surgeons aren't at fault, the environment which has been constructed over decades is at fault.
And since I had forgotten to post it earlier when they put it online here's the NewsHour segment.
Do you not understand the difference between these two?
One of them means that the adminsitration is using dirty tricks to gain public support.
The other means that one random campaign contributor is a bit of a toolbag, with absolutely no involvement from the administration.
You're equivocating the impact of the two when they are nowhere near the same thing.
Part of me gets livid when people use passive voice in this sort of thing. "The girl was planted" implies all sorts of negative connotations, but it isn't even proper English. It's a passive sentence. It leaves out the most important word to follow: "by". "The girl was planted by" followed by the appropriate agent is the grammatically correct and intellectually honest approach.
But it's to easy to tell people she "was planted" and let them draw their own conclusions. But the common understanding of the word "plant" in a context like this immediately draws suspicion to the organization who benefits from it (Obama's administration), and not the person most likely to be able to convince a little girl to do something: her parents.
This whole controversy is nothing more than the result of people being intellectually dishonest with the English language for the sole purpose of generating a controversy. It shouldn't even be a fucking issue. George Orwell is turning in his goddamn grave.
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So if you don't have a plan of the own you shouldn't be allowed to point out the sheer idiocy and flaws in other people's plans? So no alternative means we should go ahead with the full original plan with tax dollars paying for abortions and sex changes? Now I get it! After all it is our duty to follow the Democrats unquestionably like good liberal revolutionaries! If we don't we are unAmerican as comrade Pelosi's has told us.
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I haven't seen a lot of people pointing out actual flaws, though. Mostly I've seen people who are expressing legitimate concerns claim that accomplishing what the bill sets out to accomplish is hard. Not that it's impossible or unlikely, just difficult. Some quibbling with numbers, too, but then they tend to propose alternative at the same time and so wouldn't be applicable in your hyperbole.
If pointing out flaws means that you use actual data points, and not misleading and outright misinforming talking points, then thats totally fine. Those arent things the majority of the people making news are doing.
Of course there is bound to be angry ranting, what do you expect when the most extreme of plans considered involve the government pretty much running the whole show? Most simply don't want a government expansion, or tax dollars being stripped from their wallets or more important institutions. Yet that doesn't change the validity of those who point out even the obvious things like "How the hell we are going to pay for this?" and "Why the hell should we cover this freak's sex change?"
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So extreme the entirety of the rest of the first world has it.
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