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You remember when every comic featured the heroes personally beating up Hitler?
I want that
Hes rich. He could build his own asylum and make it secure enough that Joker could never escape, that none of them could ever escape and he could even visit him as batman to try and break his pattern.
But he doesnt.
Because he needs them to keep escaping.
Then, naturally, order would break down and the old rogues would escape to plague Gotham again, but at least the whole, "Why the fuck can't they keep these guys incarcerated?" question would be addressed.
Of course, I kind of get the feeling that this is the direction the Bat-books are going in at the moment, with Joker missing in action, Riddler reformed, and Ivy, Catwoman, and Harley acting in more of a protagonist capacity.
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Then Joker would get pissed when he got out.
They could just re-hire Lockdown. He actually managed to keep those bastards locked up. And terrified.
Batman was probably just jealous.
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Or did that already come and go with no repercussions or effect on the universe at large.
I disagree with this.
Batman/Bruce believes in the system. He wants the system to work. That's why the Wayne Foundation is such a huge contributor to Arkham Asylum and Penitentiary.
Its also the reason why Batman always turns his villains over to the authorities each time, rather than locking them up in his own Bat-Jail.
Batman doesn't need his villains. But Gotham needs Batman. Bruce is a realist and he knows that he has the means to accomplish things that the system cannot. He has money, training, smarts, and know-how to get jobs done that the law simply cannot manage.
But the ending of Dark Knight summarizes Batman perfectly. He will be whatever the city of Gotham needs him to be. If the system was able to manage 100% of all crime, then the city wouldn't need him and I think he would accept that. But the law cannot account for 100% of the problems, thus there is a need for Batman to exist.
It wouldnt be a bat jail, he could create and fund a Wayne Asylum staffed with bat-secure procedures so that corrupted staff could be dealt with quickly. For instance giving staff masks so they don't go breathing in funny spores that make you controllable. When theyre processed by the system they can be sent there guarded by mechs and shit that Wayne can afford.
He believes in the system but without those super villains hed be kind of empty in the same way Joker is without Batman to corrupt.
For as much shit as Salvation Run got, that was actually a good idea. If only Kanjar Ro didn't send them to another planet.
Lockdown kept them contained under threat of death
He also ran Blackgate during No Man's Land, and made it a Hell Hole. You know where you stand in a Hell Hole. Dick lent a hand in that Hell Hole.
I liked that, for a short time, Shiloh Norman was the Warden of the metahuman prison, The Slab.
I wouldn't mind seeing that idea return in some form, with a bunch of retired superheroes staffing a new prison constructed by the greatest scientific minds in the DCU.
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Honestly, the Arkham Asylum and escaping prisoners issue is one of the big fault lines of the Bat-mythos for me, and the thing I try hardest to not think too much about. Because while I recognize the creative and financial realities that will always keep the Joker free to terrorize Gotham, I don't like the way that it creates this sort of sub-narrative about how the authorities are perpetually ineffective, doctors and psychiatrists are a joke, and the mentally ill are all super-genius serial killers who easily outwit the dumb cops and doctors and will murder hundreds at the drop of a hat yet suffer no repercussions and never stay incarcerated. It turns everything Batman does into a cruel joke that costs the lives of thousands every time Poison Ivy or the Joker get out; and the writers know this and have characters comment on it, but nothing is ever allowed to change, which makes it even worse.
With other superheroes, like Spider-Man, it works a bit better because his villains are mostly penny-ante crooks with metal arms or vibro-gauntlets who just want to knock over a few armored cars or whatever - and half the time they get away, anyway, so my suspension of disbelief is able to squirm past. The ritual of Batman bringing villains into Arkham only to have them free and committing acts of mass murder the next issue is so out there and in your face that it's really hard to avoid noticing.
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I really wish DC would make Gotham go through some kind of NYC under Giuliani approach, make there be a real effort to get over the whole corrupt cops/public officers thing, and make the city get out of that always rainy, always dark place it is. Really, why would anyone live there the way it never gets better? If I was a super duper company not owned by Wayne, I would relocate to NYC or Metropolis. You don't have to make it squeaky clean, but show some kind of progress. That is why the Penguin making his own club built on his past profession, realizing he can make more through merchandising and licensing than being a mobster was such a great idea.
That's why Bludhaven never really clicked in Nightwing's book. They had to get Dick away from Gotham, that's fine, but to state there is someplace worse than Gotham? Come on.
Morrison actually said he wants to address this in Batman and Robin.
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In short I'm saying they need another contained locale.
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Then the villains wouldn't have a chance to escape every other issue ...
Is DC still making the Green Lantern: Escape from Super Max movie? Everyone would call it an Arkham Asylum ripoff, but that setting would work great for a game like this.
For the Batman sequel, let's see Batman locked up in Bane's prison.
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Man, you think just like me.
No idea if it's still being made or not. Couldn't find any details at all from the last few months.
This is the weirdest thing I've ever read.
Do you think Red Hood and Red Skull are the same? Is it some kind of weird color/hero dyslexia?
Ah HA!
The comic for August 28th contains the finest batman I have ever seen.
I was directed to post this here.
definitely wouldn't work in continuity for obvious reasons but would be a fun branch to explore.
Yeah the ultimate liberal who became the world's greatest archer while trying to survive on a desert island and the definition of a conservative who is a fucking space cop they sure are the same character
Batman and Robin? Yes, it was amazing. Here's hoping Philip Tan produces some good artwork and doesn't delay the book for his three issues (unlike his couple of GL issues...).
I thought Detective Comics was great too, though I hope Rucka will move on from the Crime Bible shit some point soon (though I do like crazy lady).
Well, I didn't say they were EXACTLY the same, just basically.
One never helped the purple man
Morrison's run is the best place to start. There are a few trades available that collect the essential storyline:
-- Batman and Son
-- Batman: The Black Glove
-- Batman: R.I.P.
You might also want to check out Final Crisis. It isn't a Batman book per say, but it does feature Batman, and the event that is directly responsible for the current continuity shift happened in Final Crisis so it is well worth reading if you are a Batman fan. However, I will also offer a warning regarding Final Crisis: Grant Morrison was experimenting with a different writing style in FC and the story tends to be very fragmented and disjointed. He uses a lot of minimalism and leaves a lot of the action to the imagination rather than explicitly showing the reader what is happening.
I would also suggest that you read some of the more recent trades that are collected from Paul Dini's run on Detective Comics.
-- Heart of Hush
-- Batman: Private Casebook