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Sen. Ted Kennedy dies at 77

JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
edited September 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TedKennedy/story?id=6692022

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/26/obit.ted.kennedy/index.html

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Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77

* Story Highlights
* Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy died Wednesday after cancer battle
* "We've lost the irreplaceable center of our family," family statement says
* Kennedy played major role in civil and voting rights, health care reform
* Kennedy recently sought change in state law to allow for temporary replacement
Spoiler:
The Kennedy family releases an official statement.
Spoiler:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy

This thread is one in which to discuss how this is going to affect the political situation in the US senate now that Mass. Senator Ted Kennedy has died of brain cancer.

Will this significantly affect healthcare reform?

As a prominent figure in the senate, and one who has long supported healthcare reform, will this negatively change the healthcare debate, since we are losing his voice and opinions on the matter?

Who do you think will be replacing him?

Sen. Kennedy will be replaced by special election.

...More to come on OP

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  • Alchemist449Alchemist449 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Well this ruined my night.

    See ya, Ted. You will be missed.

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    The Lion of the Senate and a fantastic politician in my book

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    D:

    Teddy! Nooooo! You had so many more Republicans to piss off!

    This is a grim day, indeed.

  • Clutch414Clutch414 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    JebusUD wrote: »
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TedKennedy/story?id=6692022

    nm_ted_kennedy_obit_090120_mn.jpg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy

    This thread is one in which to discuss how this is going to affect the political situation in the US senate now that Mass. Senator Ted Kennedy has died of brain cancer.

    Will this significantly affect healthcare reform?

    As a prominent figure in the senate, and one who has long supported healthcare reform, will this negatively change the healthcare debate, since we are losing his voice and opinions on the matter?

    Who do you think will be replacing him? I believe he is replaced by the Governor, who is a democrat so this should not change the 60 vote count.

    ...More to come on OP

    Actually, the Governor doesn't choose the successor due to a 2004 law change that Kennedy strongly supported. His successor will be chosen by special election unless the Massachusetts state legislature changes the law back.

  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Clutch414 wrote: »
    JebusUD wrote: »
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TedKennedy/story?id=6692022

    nm_ted_kennedy_obit_090120_mn.jpg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy

    This thread is one in which to discuss how this is going to affect the political situation in the US senate now that Mass. Senator Ted Kennedy has died of brain cancer.

    Will this significantly affect healthcare reform?

    As a prominent figure in the senate, and one who has long supported healthcare reform, will this negatively change the healthcare debate, since we are losing his voice and opinions on the matter?

    Who do you think will be replacing him? I believe he is replaced by the Governor, who is a democrat so this should not change the 60 vote count.

    ...More to come on OP

    Actually, the Governor doesn't choose the successor due to a 2004 law change that Kennedy strongly supported. His successor will be chosen by special election unless the Massachusetts state legislature changes the law back.

    Thank you. I will roll the first link into the OP.

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Jebus, your OP is better than mine, so I suggest we consolidate into this here thread.

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    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Jebus, your OP is better than mine, so I suggest we consolidate into this here thread.

    Your thread name is better than mine, maybe I should change it to that.

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Jebus, your OP is better than mine, so I suggest we consolidate into this here thread.

    Your thread name is better than mine, maybe I should change it to that.

    Wait til a mod locks mine.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • HachfaceHachface Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    This is terrible
    this is the worst thing

    I loved that man

  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Hachface wrote: »
    This is terrible
    this is the worst thing

    I loved that man

    Loved? Really? I mean, he was important to the senate, and to politics, but I wouldn't describe his personal shenanigans as lovable.

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • HachfaceHachface Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    This is terrible
    this is the worst thing

    I loved that man

    Loved? Really? I mean, he was important to the senate, and to politics, but I wouldn't describe his personal shenanigans as lovable.

    Chappaquiddick was 40 years ago.

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    This is terrible
    this is the worst thing

    I loved that man

    Loved? Really? I mean, he was important to the senate, and to politics, but I wouldn't describe his personal shenanigans as lovable.

    meh, he was a flawed man, like all men

    a man's life doesn't need to be about the worst thing he was ever involved in

    he did a fantastic amount of good for the country in his time

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Hachface wrote: »
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    This is terrible
    this is the worst thing

    I loved that man

    Loved? Really? I mean, he was important to the senate, and to politics, but I wouldn't describe his personal shenanigans as lovable.

    Chappaquiddick was 40 years ago.

    Well, there is the womanizing too. Plus the getting red in the face and yelling at people.

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • TachTach Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    This is terrible
    this is the worst thing

    I loved that man

    Loved? Really? I mean, he was important to the senate, and to politics, but I wouldn't describe his personal shenanigans as lovable.

    meh, he was a flawed man, like all men

    a man's life doesn't need to be about the worst thing he was ever involved in

    he did a fantastic amount of good for the country in his time

    Important sure. But I think lovable is a little strong.

    edit: anyway, lets not talk too bad about him when he is barely below 98 degrees.

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I would absolutely describe him as lovable

    and womanizing? that rules out practically all politicians and statistically a hell of a lot of the population as a whole

    it's just sex

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    This is terrible
    this is the worst thing

    I loved that man

    Loved? Really? I mean, he was important to the senate, and to politics, but I wouldn't describe his personal shenanigans as lovable.

    meh, he was a flawed man, like all men

    a man's life doesn't need to be about the worst thing he was ever involved in

    he did a fantastic amount of good for the country in his time

    Important sure. But I think lovable is a little strong.

    For all of his flaws, he believed and fought for government to make our lives better. He was the very definition of what a public servant is meant to be.

    DC seems a bit darker today.

    XBL: Nox Aeternum / PSN: NoxAeternum / NN:NoxAeternum
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  • CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Errra, RIP Ted. Errra.

    Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    I would absolutely describe him as lovable

    and womanizing? that rules out practically all politicians and statistically a hell of a lot of the population as a whole

    it's just sex
    You know who had a shitty personal life?

    Winston Churchill.

  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    For all of his flaws, he believed and fought for government to make our lives better. He was the very definition of what a public servant is meant to be.

    DC seems a bit darker today.

    I can get behind this.

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I wonder how Fox News et al. will spin this. I mean, I wouldn't even think it was spinnable, but man, they're wizards at that shit.

  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    So, when this special election rolls around, how do you guys think it will go?

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Magus` wrote: »
    I wonder how Fox News et al. will spin this. I mean, I wouldn't even think it was spinnable, but man, they're wizards at that shit.

    I bet this is going to be spun like crazy by everyone. Support health care now for Ted!

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    JebusUD wrote: »
    So, when this special election rolls around, how do you guys think it will go?

    Do you have to ask?

    XBL: Nox Aeternum / PSN: NoxAeternum / NN:NoxAeternum
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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I suppose that's true.

    I know he was joked about as being an alchy, but did that in any way affect his condition? Or was that just sort of an on-going joke?

  • HachfaceHachface Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Support health care now for Ted!


    It is crass but he would have wanted it that way.

    I would not be surprised if he took some people aside and said "Exploit my death for all it's worth."

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Magus` wrote: »
    I wonder how Fox News et al. will spin this. I mean, I wouldn't even think it was spinnable, but man, they're wizards at that shit.

    god knows, "Is Ted Kennedy in hell?" isn't out of the question

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    JebusUD wrote: »
    So, when this special election rolls around, how do you guys think it will go?
    I'm sure it will be a hard fought race between Hippie McSmokespot, Commie Von Socialist, and whatever RINO the Republicans can manage to put in front of the firing squad in order to keep up appearances.

  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    JebusUD wrote: »
    So, when this special election rolls around, how do you guys think it will go?
    I'm sure it will be a hard fought race between Hippie McSmokespot, Commie Von Socialist, and whatever RINO the Republicans can manage to put in front of the firing squad in order to keep up appearances.

    Damn. Maybe I should move there.

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Magus` wrote: »
    I suppose that's true.

    I know he was joked about as being an alchy, but did that in any way affect his condition? Or was that just sort of an on-going joke?
    He wasn't a drunk, he was just Catholic.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Magus` wrote: »
    I wonder how Fox News et al. will spin this. I mean, I wouldn't even think it was spinnable, but man, they're wizards at that shit.

    god knows, "Is Ted Kennedy in hell?" isn't out of the question

    Over/under on Sean Hannity Chappaquiddick mentions tomorrow night?

    Anyway, I expect there to be bullshit "Sen. Kennedy would have hated this bill!" vs. crass "The Republicans are exploiting Sen. Kennedy's death to block cloture!" arguments. And it will be fantastic.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • HachfaceHachface Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    JebusUD wrote: »
    So, when this special election rolls around, how do you guys think it will go?
    I'm sure it will be a hard fought race between Hippie McSmokespot, Commie Von Socialist, and whatever RINO the Republicans can manage to put in front of the firing squad in order to keep up appearances.

    Damn. Maybe I should move there.

    I know i should have never moved away.

  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Magus` wrote: »
    I suppose that's true.

    I know he was joked about as being an alchy, but did that in any way affect his condition? Or was that just sort of an on-going joke?
    He wasn't a drunk, he was just Catholic.
    Fox spent a lot of time in their obit talking about how he was an alcoholic. Fox wouldn't lie.

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Magus` wrote: »
    I wonder how Fox News et al. will spin this. I mean, I wouldn't even think it was spinnable, but man, they're wizards at that shit.

    god knows, "Is Ted Kennedy in hell?" isn't out of the question

    Over/under on Sean Hannity Chappaquiddick mentions tomorrow night?

    shit dude no sane person would bet against that

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Magus` wrote: »
    I wonder how Fox News et al. will spin this. I mean, I wouldn't even think it was spinnable, but man, they're wizards at that shit.

    god knows, "Is Ted Kennedy in hell?" isn't out of the question

    Over/under on Sean Hannity Chappaquiddick mentions tomorrow night?

    shit dude no sane person would bet against that

    That's why it's an over/under. I'm putting it at 13.5. And I'll take the over.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I have no idea who is going to run for senate here. We don't have any apparent rising stars

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Well, you know that the Governator will be at his funeral. He really doesn't have a choice in the matter.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    It's probably for the best. Cancer is a hell of a thing to suffer from under any condition, I can't imagine brain cancer to be particularly better.

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I guess I didn't see this coming so soon. I mean, I knew he was sick, but this seems rather sudden. Not even a news lead up to it.

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    They gave him like six months a year ago, as I recall.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
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