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Canadian Politics: Proroguery Electric Boogaloo (with epic Harper evil picture in OP)

RobmanRobman Registered User regular
edited January 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
Since the previous thread got locked, LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE

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TRY AND STOP ME

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HOW I PRESERVE DEMOCRACY?

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Taking battleground Liberal/NDP seats is easier then fighting the government.

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Sup guys, I'm still the kingmaker that everyone courts when they aren't scapegoating Quebec.

Updated news:
- Tories blocking parliamentary proceedings on torture boondoogle and have been roundly spanked by Colvin
- Harper is running away from the MPs so we can have a "nice" Olympics
- There is no legal basis for the GG to not approve the request to prorogue, despite what you may hear from the opposition
- The Senate will be firmly stacked for the Tories after the break

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    You may want to update the end of the OP with what the result was.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Well it's still in a state of flux. Iggy is probably waiting for another classic Harper-esque blunder to pull the plug.

  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    OP is great, though I think Gilles Duceppe is staring into my soul.

  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    he reminds me of Martin Shorts character Jack Frost in that The Santa Clause sequel. :P

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Aegis wrote: »
    OP is great, though I think Gilles Duceppe is staring into my soul.
    He does that.

    Honestly, the picture of Harper with that fake smile and a kitten in his hands is the one that freaks me out the most.

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  • ElldrenElldren 3067-6294-6208Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Richy wrote: »
    Aegis wrote: »
    OP is great, though I think Gilles Duceppe is staring into my soul.
    He does that.

    Honestly, the picture of Harper with that fake smile and a kitten in his hands is the one that freaks me out the most.

    It's really makes you fear for the kitten.

    But really wasn't his government supposed to have fallen by now?

  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Elldren wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Aegis wrote: »
    OP is great, though I think Gilles Duceppe is staring into my soul.
    He does that.

    Honestly, the picture of Harper with that fake smile and a kitten in his hands is the one that freaks me out the most.

    It's really makes you fear for the kitten.

    But really wasn't his government supposed to have fallen by now?

    The Government can't fall when the House isn't sitting.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Elldren wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Aegis wrote: »
    OP is great, though I think Gilles Duceppe is staring into my soul.
    He does that.

    Honestly, the picture of Harper with that fake smile and a kitten in his hands is the one that freaks me out the most.

    It's really makes you fear for the kitten.

    But really wasn't his government supposed to have fallen by now?

    Patience, patience. EI is still mostly working, life goes on, and nobody really cares that some brown people got fucked in the ass by our government while they were in Africa. Iggy has to bide his time until Harper really fucks up to call an election.

    Some people are saying that the appointment of the NDP Premier to the USA ambassador position is going to stop the NDP from toppling the government. I believe those people are wrong.

  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User
    edited August 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    Patience, patience. EI is still mostly working, life goes on, and nobody really cares that some brown people got fucked in the ass by our government while they were in Africa. Iggy has to bide his time until Harper really fucks up to call an election.

    Some people are saying that the appointment of the NDP Premier to the USA ambassador position is going to stop the NDP from toppling the government. I believe those people are wrong.
    Woo! Gary!

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    To be fair, though, he's the least NDP-like NDP leader I know of. Which has worked pretty well for him. Ten years in office and some high approval ratings have to mean something.

  • ImperfectImperfect Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Necro-quote from old thread:
    Are you actually afraid of people from the prairie provinces? Or do you think that the general populations of Ontario & Quebec are that much more liberal and are incapable of failing?

    I'm trying to understand where this position of western provinces = bad is coming from. I know they vote Conservative, and you dont like that. But I think when talking about giving provinces equal voices in the federal government, we could aspire to something grander than partisan politics and muzzling the voices of 25% of the provinces.

    It has always been this way. East vs. West (vs. Quebec vs. Maritimes) has basically defined Canadian politics for quite some time.

    Canada is very diverse in terms of geography, climate, and culture (to name just a few). This can make it very difficult to get along with other Canadians, politically.

    The specific "Man, fuck the prairies" that was going on in the last thread though, was probably given that the prairie provinces are pretty much where all the Conservatives come from and most of the folks posting in this thread aren't too fond of Conservatives.

    Not that we have any idea what to do that is any better. Fuck, I used to vote Liberal with a clear conscience. But then again, I used to be 18.

  • DeciusDecius Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Why is it every picture of Harper where he's trying to look relate-able in some fashion turns out just fucking creepy?

    The one where he's at the Stampede in the Cowboy hat and (shudder) leather vest? AH!

    That one in the OP with him what looks like contemplating cooking the kitten for dinner? AH! AH!

    He's like Data from Star Trek. Any time he attempts real emotion it just looks awkward and weird.

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  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    You know...he kind of does look a bit pale. Has anyone ever checked to see if he has an access port on the back of his head?

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Imperfect wrote: »
    Necro-quote from old thread:
    Are you actually afraid of people from the prairie provinces? Or do you think that the general populations of Ontario & Quebec are that much more liberal and are incapable of failing?

    I'm trying to understand where this position of western provinces = bad is coming from. I know they vote Conservative, and you dont like that. But I think when talking about giving provinces equal voices in the federal government, we could aspire to something grander than partisan politics and muzzling the voices of 25% of the provinces.

    It has always been this way. East vs. West (vs. Quebec vs. Maritimes) has basically defined Canadian politics for quite some time.

    Canada is very diverse in terms of geography, climate, and culture (to name just a few). This can make it very difficult to get along with other Canadians, politically.

    The specific "Man, fuck the prairies" that was going on in the last thread though, was probably given that the prairie provinces are pretty much where all the Conservatives come from and most of the folks posting in this thread aren't too fond of Conservatives.

    Not that we have any idea what to do that is any better. Fuck, I used to vote Liberal with a clear conscience. But then again, I used to be 18.

    Liberals are corrupt, mildly inept, and poll-guided.

    But.

    They're the middle of the road, "Canada" party. They balance the crazy socialism of the NDP with the bootstrappyness of the CPC. Also, they don't call their opponents pedophiles, which is nice.

  • PhistiPhisti Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I haven't managed to get close enough to him to check... last time I almost got taken out by his security detail for simply standing around. We had a good laugh about it afterward but it would have made quite a headline:

    "Charity volunteer assaulted by PM's security"

    Its one of the joys of living in Ottawa, you randomly run into the PM if you do any charity work, and he's just as creepy in person, and looks morbidly obese... those photos are pretty flattering.

    * can anyone confirm or point me to a credible source suggesting the PM and his wife are on the road to splitsville? * it's the rumor floating around here from people who know the PM better than I, but I can't find anything to verify that.

  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Has anyone seen some of the new efforts by the Liberals to gain ex-pat votes? I was reading an article in Macleans that mentioned Ignatieff has been sending letters to a ton of ex-pats (not even if they're Liberals), outlining some of current issues and generally being "support me", though in an indirect way.

    Also, I did not know if you don't live in Canada for 5 consecutive years, you can no longer vote even if you're still a citizen.

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Phisti wrote: »
    I haven't managed to get close enough to him to check... last time I almost got taken out by his security detail for simply standing around. We had a good laugh about it afterward but it would have made quite a headline:

    "Charity volunteer assaulted by PM's security"

    Its one of the joys of living in Ottawa, you randomly run into the PM if you do any charity work, and he's just as creepy in person, and looks morbidly obese... those photos are pretty flattering.

    * can anyone confirm or point me to a credible source suggesting the PM and his wife are on the road to splitsville? * it's the rumor floating around here from people who know the PM better than I, but I can't find anything to verify that.

    It really wouldn't surprise me, most highly visible politicians have very strained relationships with their spouses, beyond them farking around like crazy.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Imperfect wrote: »
    Necro-quote from old thread:
    Are you actually afraid of people from the prairie provinces? Or do you think that the general populations of Ontario & Quebec are that much more liberal and are incapable of failing?

    I'm trying to understand where this position of western provinces = bad is coming from. I know they vote Conservative, and you dont like that. But I think when talking about giving provinces equal voices in the federal government, we could aspire to something grander than partisan politics and muzzling the voices of 25% of the provinces.

    It has always been this way. East vs. West (vs. Quebec vs. Maritimes) has basically defined Canadian politics for quite some time.

    Canada is very diverse in terms of geography, climate, and culture (to name just a few). This can make it very difficult to get along with other Canadians, politically.

    The specific "Man, fuck the prairies" that was going on in the last thread though, was probably given that the prairie provinces are pretty much where all the Conservatives come from and most of the folks posting in this thread aren't too fond of Conservatives.

    Not that we have any idea what to do that is any better. Fuck, I used to vote Liberal with a clear conscience. But then again, I used to be 18.

    The West vote Reform, which swallowed the PC party we need so badly today.

    The country needs ANOTHER not-crazy party to keep the Liberals from getting too corrupt and set in their ways.

    That's enough reason to hate the west right there.


    Plus, they whine like little bitches all the time.

  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User
    edited August 2009
    I wonder to what degree the Liberals can afford to swing right in an attempt to court the old Progressive Conserevative vote. It'd be great if the Conservatives got pushed to the lunatic fringe, setting the new back and forth between the Liberals and NDP.

  • an_altan_alt Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Woah, when did the Can-Pol thread explode?

    At any rate, even without time to look into the issue more thoroughly, I'm not a fan of the Demers appointment.

    It's not senate stuffing however. That's like complaining that the party in power is making laws. That's what they do.

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  • ImperfectImperfect Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Shryke, man. "Corruption" isn't a Liberal thing. It's an "in-power" thing. The Conservatives have simply done a damn good job at painting Liberals solely with that brush, while they themselves are just as bad. I mean, the recent appointment of all those solid Conservative senators? The whole "Canadian DMCA" "townhall" meetings being stuffed with Recording Industry plants?

    No party has a stranglehold on being corrupt, and no party is exempt.

  • DeciusDecius Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    East vs West bitch-fest starting in 5... 4... 3... 2...

    Edit: I think Wil Ferguson put it rather properly when he said that Canadians spend their lives looking for the happy middle, or any middle really. That's not the exact quote. I'll have to look it up when I get home. It's in the book "How to be a Canadian"

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  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I don't know how well the prospect would be of the Liberals picking up significant numbers of Conservative votes. You might get some of the financial-concerned base, though even that's lessened given the economy improving on Harper's watch (even if he didn't do anything).

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Imperfect wrote: »
    Shryke, man. "Corruption" isn't a Liberal thing. It's an "in-power" thing. The Conservatives have simply done a damn good job at painting Liberals solely with that brush, while they themselves are just as bad. I mean, the recent appointment of all those solid Conservative senators? The whole "Canadian DMCA" "townhall" meetings being stuffed with Recording Industry plants?

    No party has a stranglehold on being corrupt, and no party is exempt.

    Um, no shit. Who the fuck ever said it was only a Liberal thing?

    The point is, you leave one party in power too long, and they fester. This has happened to the Liberals. But the PC party collapsed too soon to ride that Anti-Liberal wave to power and instead married themselves to the fucking crazies in the Reform party.

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    an_alt wrote: »
    Woah, when did the Can-Pol thread explode?

    At any rate, even without time to look into the issue more thoroughly, I'm not a fan of the Demers appointment.

    It's not senate stuffing however. That's like complaining that the party in power is making laws. That's what they do.
    It is Senate stuffing when the party in power has a reputation of refusing to appoint senators to pressure for a democratically-elected senate, then right before an election they suddenly decide to appoint party loyalists and vote-grabbing personalities to every Senate seat they can. It's completely within their power and right to do it, but it's still Senate stuffing.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    One of our big problems here is that for most people they are not voting for a party or even a leader.... They are voting against other parties.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Disco11 wrote: »
    One of our big problems here is that for most people they are not voting for a party or even a leader.... They are voting against other parties.
    Yeah I do that. Then again, for my entire voting life, there's always been a party I absolutely did not want to see in power. There was the sovereignist Bloc when I was in Québec, then when I moved to Ontario Harper took power.

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  • DeciusDecius Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Disco11 wrote: »
    One of our big problems here is that for most people they are not voting for a party or even a leader.... They are voting against other parties.

    Which really makes me wonder every election what the results would look like if people actually grabbed a brain and voted the way they wanted instead of trying to "strategically" vote. Perhaps the NDP and Greens would have those seats people think they should have eh.

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  • PhistiPhisti Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    That's why I was so disappointed when we rejected the MMP proposal.... sure it wasn't the best thing in the world but for the love of God it was better than first past the post by riding.

    I feel sorry for my parents and the eternal damnation that is having Cheryl Gallant as your MP.

  • an_altan_alt Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Richy wrote: »
    an_alt wrote: »
    Woah, when did the Can-Pol thread explode?

    At any rate, even without time to look into the issue more thoroughly, I'm not a fan of the Demers appointment.

    It's not senate stuffing however. That's like complaining that the party in power is making laws. That's what they do.
    It is Senate stuffing when the party in power has a reputation of refusing to appoint senators to pressure for a democratically-elected senate, then right before an election they suddenly decide to appoint party loyalists and vote-grabbing personalities to every Senate seat they can. It's completely within their power and right to do it, but it's still Senate stuffing.

    I thought the initial rush to fill the vacancies was to throw a wrench into the coalition agreement more than anything else. I'm not saying I like it, but we all know those seats are getting filled almost solely with party loyalists. The only difference is to which party they're loyal.

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  • Nova_CNova_C Sniff Sniff Snorf Beyond The WallRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    The West vote Reform, which swallowed the PC party we need so badly today.

    The country needs ANOTHER not-crazy party to keep the Liberals from getting too corrupt and set in their ways.

    That's enough reason to hate the west right there.


    Plus, they whine like little bitches all the time.

    Thank you for this. It's always nice to know that the work I do to get the people around me to stop blaming 'Eastern Canada' as if it were some sort of boogeyman is appreciated and reciprocated.

    Honestly, Shryke, people like you are the worst part of Canadian politics. This is why people like Harper end up in power. Because the West feels isolated and marginalized and ends up slowly becoming more and more extreme when the vastly more populous East paints us all as redneck neanderthals.

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  • ImperfectImperfect Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I'm voting Liberal next election because it was my MP that approached the Parliament to ask them to rule on the Ottawa bus strike issue that finally forced the union's hand.

    Dude has EARNED my vote.

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Phisti wrote: »
    That's why I was so disappointed when we rejected the MMP proposal.... sure it wasn't the best thing in the world but for the love of God it was better than first past the post by riding.

    I feel sorry for my parents and the eternal damnation that is having Cheryl Gallant as your MP.

    Ridings are how we roll eh

    It's good when it works, it's supposed to elect people who will represent the interests of your region instead of people who will work for the maximum number of popular votes. For example, Dennis Mills worked as a MP should work (worked tirelessly for his riding, advocated its issues in the house) whereas Mr Jack Layton has done um... stuff?

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Imperfect wrote: »
    I'm voting Liberal next election because it was my MP that approached the Parliament to ask them to rule on the Ottawa bus strike issue that finally forced the union's hand.

    Dude has EARNED my vote.

    That was so fucking annoying. Oh hi we're freezing and it's MINUS FUCKING 40 OUTSIDE IN THE MORNING and you won't get involved because you think it will reflect poorly on your labour issues record? Fuck you, you gutless shit stains.

    Ugh what a trainwreck that strike was. Fucking MPs riding to work in their cars, laughing at everyone hiking and biking through the coldest part of winter.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Nova_C wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    The West vote Reform, which swallowed the PC party we need so badly today.

    The country needs ANOTHER not-crazy party to keep the Liberals from getting too corrupt and set in their ways.

    That's enough reason to hate the west right there.


    Plus, they whine like little bitches all the time.

    Thank you for this. It's always nice to know that the work I do to get the people around me to stop blaming 'Eastern Canada' as if it were some sort of boogeyman is appreciated and reciprocated.

    Honestly, Shryke, people like you are the worst part of Canadian politics. This is why people like Harper end up in power. Because the West feels isolated and marginalized and ends up slowly becoming more and more extreme when the vastly more populous East paints us all as redneck neanderthals.

    Yeah, cause the West never maligns the east. Nope, never.

    Fuckers vote Reform. What more need be said?

  • Nova_CNova_C Sniff Sniff Snorf Beyond The WallRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Yeah, cause the West never maligns the east. Nope, never.

    Fuckers vote Reform. What more need be said?

    And Easterners vote NDP. What more needs to be said?

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    The West vote Reform, which swallowed the PC party we need so badly today.

    The country needs ANOTHER not-crazy party to keep the Liberals from getting too corrupt and set in their ways.

    That's enough reason to hate the west right there.


    Plus, they whine like little bitches all the time.

    Thank you for this. It's always nice to know that the work I do to get the people around me to stop blaming 'Eastern Canada' as if it were some sort of boogeyman is appreciated and reciprocated.

    Honestly, Shryke, people like you are the worst part of Canadian politics. This is why people like Harper end up in power. Because the West feels isolated and marginalized and ends up slowly becoming more and more extreme when the vastly more populous East paints us all as redneck neanderthals.

    Yeah, cause the West never maligns the east. Nope, never.

    Fuckers vote Reform. What more need be said?

    You could say that Alberta had some people whispering in their ear that Trudeau's efforts to minimize the energy price shock out east stopped Albertans wiping their ass with hundred dollar bills, that equalization payments have suddenly become a burden for the recently prosperous state, that the insanely rapid development of the province from dustbowl to oil empire has caused massive social rifts, that Alberta was riding on an oil and cocaine high for decades, that the American propoganda from Reagan spoke directly to poor Albertans more then any other part of Canada, and that Alberta is probably one of the most fascinating provinces to examine over the past hundred years.

    Or you could go yeehaw fuck you western Canada.

  • Andrew_JayAndrew_Jay Registered User
    edited August 2009
    So, Gary Doer - NDP Premier of Saskatchewan - has stepped down to be named by Harper as the new ambassador to the U.S.

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    It would be fucking hilarious if Harper went LOL JK and cancelled his appointment, I gotta admit.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Nova_C wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Yeah, cause the West never maligns the east. Nope, never.

    Fuckers vote Reform. What more need be said?

    And Easterners vote NDP. What more needs to be said?

    That the NDP will only worrie me when they can actually get voted in.

  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User
    edited August 2009
    Andrew_Jay wrote: »
    So, Gary Doer - NDP Premier of Saskatchewan - has stepped down to be named by Harper as the new ambassador to the U.S.
    Saskatchewan!?!?

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