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I think that you're both being silly. Spider-Man 2 is up there with X2 in terms of quality.
What?
I could understand say ditching MJ because Kirsten Dunst is awful but his power loss contributed to the plot.
I'm glad you realise I am always right.
Its not about his powers making sense, its about massive levels of stupidity on part of the characters by proxy of the writers. Giant blackholes of power that drown in water, Doc Ock dying, constant unmasking, weak power-loss plot, weak MJ plot, throwing people you think are human but you NEED into brick walls and throwing cars at them.
AND AUNT FUCKING MAY. Die bitch die.
I mean thats before getting into Spider-Man being strong enough to stop a speeding train.
I can't really argue with most of that, even though I loved Spidey 2. However, I thought the train scene was great, and not really out of line with the character. Besides, I always got the impression that his webs had more to do with the train stopping than anything he did directly. He was just able to hang on while being on ripped apart by a High-Speed Rack.
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The only good thing to come out of the train is Doc Ock actually being a villain and smacking the shit out of the peds trying to stand in the way of him collectiong Spider-Man. It makes me sad thinking of what oculd be under the hands of a skilled writer instead of them continuing to give it to Raimi.
Including Bruce doesn't absolve all his sins.
The only good, solid part of all the movies is the opening to the first film, everything up to him putting on the final costume.
the giant 'black holes' was simply a plot device and really if you were distracted that much by it then i don't know how could have enjoyed any comics ever since that really isn't so crazy.
the doc ock of the movies was clearly NOT the doc ock of the comics, and his death was fitting. he was trapped in his own mind, being controlled. his death was symbolic of his wish to be free. also his wife died so he's probably happier this way.
you also forget that this is a movie, and since spiderman is being played by an actor, it's hard for spiderman to convey emotion through the mask. so, in poignant scenes they unmask him to give him that emotionality. also, it's not crazy to assume that stuff like that would happen. hell, lots of people have blackmailed spidey over his identity.
and aunt may was aunt may, i don't know why you hatin'.
generally you just seem way too hard to please DW, spiderman 2 is probably one of the best comic-based films to have been made yet.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Your goddamn quibbles keep getting more and more ridiculous, until eventually you will be some psychotic Howard Hughes-esque character, sitting alone in his basement, the only light ever seen coming from three monitors as you collect useless complaints about FUCKING COMIC BOOK MOVIES before spewing them out over the interwebs as your only means of human contact.
His arms would have been torn out of his socket? I'm fucking sorry, but did you miss the iconic Spider-man comic where he lifted up a fucking sewer system?? And the black hole issue... yeah, that's so unrealistic for a comic book plot... it would have been much better as a giant guy who eats planets but looks like a robot, or a mutant reversing the magnetic poles.
Seriously though, just stop. You're literally going insane right before our eyes, and frankly, it's disconcerting.
You're the one who sounds like hes losing his grip on reality Sentry. The bile you're spewing is hot and rough to the touch.
Who is with me?
How many copies of the DVD/Blu-Ray can I put you all down for?
For me, 3 crossed the border from shitty to good by being so bad it was entertaining. The dance scene always gets me laughing. And there was an actual final fight instead of Peter getting his ass kicked/Peter revealing his identity leading his enemy to drown the sun.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WANT TO DESTROY THE WORLD!?? NO! BAD ARMS! WE DROWN NOW!
It comes from a place of concern and sympathy.
They were programmed to complete the experiment and thus that programming infect his brain due to the interface. The arms weren't sentient he just thought they were.
Thats why I have this handy chip installed, so I control them instead of the other way around.
Oh, well that makes sense...instead of not giving them malicious AI.
I just thought that him spending less time as Spider-Man to tend to his personal life works better if it's a choice he himself makes, not a choice that's made for him by his randomly disappearing powers.
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Thats just a dick move.
I felt the movie clarified that it was a choice he was making and that the power loss was psychosomatic
It was psychosomatic, a mental punishment for trying to shirk his responsibilities, or a way to shirk his responsibilities while lessening the guilt.
You guys should all be watching Howard the Duck if you can't appreciate how good Spider-Man 2 is.
They did control him. They just weren't sentient nor were they malicious they simply needed to finish the experiment. Octavius was going insane because a computer was uploading into his brain and it made them appear sentient to him.
I'm not arguing that point. I'm saying they aren't alive.
DEfend themselves really from being separated from him.
Anyway, the best comic book adaptation is obviously Dick Tracy, people. It's also a serious cameopalooza.
'Get your fucking finger on the wookie'
My complaint is that it wasn't a choice. A psychosomatic disorder isn't a choice, even if it's something you bring upon yourself.
As the movie is, Spider-Man loses his powers because Raimi needs a way for him to stop being Spider-Man without making him look like a dick, and he gets his powers back Raimi needs him to fight Doctor Octopus and keep the movie interesting. The reason the cause of these fluctuations is described as psychosomatic is because it's literally the simplest explanation you can come up with. Otherwise you have to invent a more complex plot device or, you know, tackle the more complex issues I'd liked to have seen addressed.
Personally, I think that if Raimi wasn't willing to address the balancing act that is Peter's life in the right way, that he should've just skipped it altogether. The plot would have survived without it.
It's not a huge problem. It's just something I didn't like from the second film.
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NO U!!1
Spider-man 3 was of course a horrendous piece of garbage, and let us never speak of it again.
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Thats just the one Im discussing at the moment.
While DarkWarrior is a bit intense on the subject, I pretty much agree with him on every point. Let's get skilled, talented writers on this films. When we get past all the glitter and comic book fan service, we get some pretty hack stuff.
normal people are able to enjoy films despite inconsistencies and really, few people i think care about many of the things you listed. i can find more problems with batman begins than i can with spidey 2.
so i'm out.
fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, fuck you.
And no, we don't mean it needs to be dark and gritty or The Dark Spider.
The people who wrote Batman Begins and The Dark Knight obviously are pretty clued up on the characters and willing to forsake flashy suits and immediate pay-off for building something more substantial. The writers of Spider-Man don't even know how to have him quip, thats how badly they fail to grasp the character and they don't seem capable of including any low-level villains for him to deal with instead of faceless thugs to make it seem like something happens in the 2 years between the newest and soon deadest of villains appears.
Hes got more dead opponents than Burtons Batman. (Quite possibly exaggeration, I haven't counted).
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That is the ONLY problem with Spider-Man that even warrants this level of discussion.
Alvin Sargent wrote Spider-Man 2. He's pretty fuckin talented. And I believe Michael Chabon did an uncredited polish as well. He's pretty skilled.
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Spider-Man 2 (2004)
Spider-Man (2002) (Uncredited)
Unfaithful (2002)
Anywhere but Here (1999)
Bogus (1996)
Hero (1992)
Other People's Money (1991)
What About Bob? (1991)
White Palace (1990)
Dominick and Eugene (1988)
Nuts (1987)
Ordinary People (1980)
Straight Time (1978)
Julia (1977)
Bobby Deerfield (1977)
A Star Is Born (1976)
Paper Moon (1973)
Love and Pain and the Whole Damn Thing (1973)
I Walk the Line (1970)
The Sterile Cuckoo (1969)
The Stalking Moon (1969)
Gambit (1966)
Hmm...Apart from What About Bob I'm gonna have to call you a liar.
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I can't tell if Dark Warrior is joking about the only good movie on that list being What About Bob.
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