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[D&D 4E Eberron] Discussion/Info/Q&A Thread. [NSF56K]

MaticoreMaticore Registered User regular
edited September 2009 in Critical Failures
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You're looking for adventure, lad? Well, you've come to the right place... No, not me bar you idiot.

Eberron
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A course, it's hard to say that and be right, you're actually on

Khorvaire
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S'about the most important place on the planet, aye? It's where it's happenin lad! Humans've been here for a while now, but it wasn't always about you lot, you've only been around here fer about three thousand years! Not that the most important events of the last hundred or so years haven't been your doins, cause they have.

Where are ya still? You're a right lost one aren't you. You're in me bar, in...

Sharn
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The city of towers! The largest city on Khorvaire! Sits on top of a connection to a plane of air, it does, it's what lets 'em build the towers so high.

Hate to be here the day they figure out how high they can go, though...

What's nearby? Host you're fulla questions!

Well... You know you're on Khorvaire. You're in Breland, the greatest country there is. History lesson? What do I look like, the library of Korranberg? They charge thrones you know! You're from where? Earf? Where in the ever-bloody reaches of Shavharath is that? You know what, I don't want to know. I guess I'm the guy to ask, Kundak D'Kundarak, scion of House Kundarak and famous explorer. Here we go then...

Khorvaire.

You've got the Five Nations. They'd been at war, case you haven't heard, for a good hundred years, war ended about two years ago. Me? I think it's just another ceasefire.

There've been longer ones. Best thing we got out of that though, was the warforged.

Right Shield?
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Best bouncer I ever had that one is. What? Oh, the five nations. Lookit that there Khorvaire map on the wall.

Breland.
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Thrane.
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Aundair.
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Karrnath.
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And... well...

Cyre. Or, more fittingly, The Mournland.
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And that's the Five Nations. There're other places on Khorvaire too, how about I list them for you and you ask me about them as you're interested, aye?

There's...

Zilargo, the Gnomish Homeland.
Darguun, the Goblinoid nation, not that Khorvaire wasn't theirs long before it was the Humans'
The Eldeen Reaches, where all them crazy druids live
The Mror Holds, buncha dwarves fightin over the same mountains they been fightin over since forever
The Talenta Plains, crazy barbarian dinosaur-ridin' halflings
Valenar, crazy barbarian ancestor-worshippin' elves (Damn fine horses though)
Droaam, monsters, all of them, ruled by hags. They do call themselves a country though, they've got diplomats and everything.
Q'Barra, buncha crazy frontiersmen living in a lizard infested jungle.
The Lhazaar Principalities, basically, they're all pirates and don't trust a single one.
The Shadow Marches, it's a swamp filled with Orcs and Half-Orcs, you'll get so lost even their vaunted Mark of Finding won't be able to dig you out.
There's also The Demon Wastes, but I can't say I've ever been there and I can't say I ever want to.
and lastly Aerenal, which is technically a small continent but is really just home to a buncha crazy un-undead worshipping elves. They call themselves Undying.

Then you've got the other Continents.

Xen'Drik
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Argonessen
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Sarlona
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There're all kinds of other unique things about Eberron too...

You've got:
The Dragonmarked Houses (And the Dragonmarks! What, you thought this was a fancy tattoo?)
The Draconic Prophecy
We've got our own creation myths
Organizations, guilds, villains, you name it.

You want to read more? I've got about a year's worth of back issues of the Sharn Inquisitive over there.

THREAD ADDITIONAL POSTS
Elves.

REAL THREAD INFO
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TL;DR - Pulp action adventure setting with Magitech and noir intrigue. It is like porn for nerds.

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I really enjoyed reading this thread on the Wizards site, which can occasionally be really spot-on about some qualities of Eberron.

  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    That OP is pretty sweet. I want to play this more every day...

  • GrimmyTOAGrimmyTOA Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Eberron. Good, wacky times will be had by all.

  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    ITT we need to discuss how fantastically badass the Valenar are.
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    (the title of that piece is "Last Sight")

  • delrolanddelroland Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The double scimitar is for sissies!

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  • MaticoreMaticore Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The valenar are fantastic.

    For those of you not in the know, they're an army of Ancestor worshipping elves that like to pick fights because they want to prove they're as awesome as their ancestors were. And they ride horses and use double scimitars. Do not mess with them.

    EDIT: It's on Delro.

  • AegeriAegeri Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    They are pretty awesome as far as Elves go actually. I really like their concept so they make me feel less homicidal towards them than usual Elves.

  • delrolanddelroland Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Maticore wrote: »
    The valenar are fantastic.

    For those of you not in the know, they're an army of Ancestor worshipping elves that like to pick fights because they want to prove they're as awesome as their ancestors were. And they ride horses and use double scimitars. Do not mess with them.

    EDIT: It's on Delro.

    :P

    Although my first PbP character ever was a Valenar cleric of the Ancestors who wielded a +1 construct bane adamantine double scimitar. The warforged character in the group stayed very far away from him. :lol:

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  • MaticoreMaticore Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Aegeri wrote: »
    They are pretty awesome as far as Elves go actually. I really like their concept so they make me feel less homicidal towards them than usual Elves.

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    Elves, ya say?
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    You've got your Khorvaire elves, as they like to be called. Graceful, rich, well... rich is it really. The humans have a fascination with 'em I guess. Most of them migrated from Aerenal thousands of years ago and they've lived among the humans ever since. Where do you think all the Bloody Half-Elves came from?

    Happen often? You seem to be mistaken lad. Half-elves is their own race, sure you get the occasional human and elf pairin' these days but it's, well, society just doesn't approve of it the way it used to. I don't know... well, the half elves though, they're their own people, got their own dragonmarks. Two of 'em, actually, Storm and Warding. Don't mess with them Medani though, they're vengeful...

    Other elves? Well, you've got your Aerenal Elves,
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    Freaky, eh? They don't mess around either. I've read their histories, their undying court is the closest thing to a god that walks Khorvaire, their clerics, paladins, I've even heard of a sect of holy assassins that draw power from it. Fought a war with the dragons, they did, over what I don't know. But that they're still around after fighting a war with dragons... well...

    I think that tells you something.

    Then you've the Valenar, or the Tairnadal if you ask them, buncha cocky scimitar wieldin' elves what think they're as good a warrior as a dwarf. Well, I'm going to admit, some of them are. They worship their ancestors, draw power from them too. Carved a nation out of Cyre's flank in the war, well, them and the Hobgoblins. Either way... don't underestimate them.

    Then there're the dark elves, and well, I think that's a story for another time.

  • AegeriAegeri Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    You know, I knew Karrnath zombies would have pointy hats.

    I knew it.

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Aegeri wrote: »
    They are pretty awesome as far as Elves go actually. I really like their concept so they make me feel less homicidal towards them than usual Elves.

    All of Eberron's elves are pretty cool. From the crazy vaguely Mongol Elves to the spooky jungle dwelling necro elves. Hell, the half elves who have taken up "Half Elf Pride!" attitudes are also pretty damn cool.

    Trogg wrote: »
    Not as positive as AIDS and cancer, but positive nonetheless.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I love eberron so very much

    STEAM
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  • MegazverMegazver Registered User
    edited June 2009
    Great OP. Great second post. I don't know if Eberron's the best D&D setting, but if it's not, then what is?

    I want to hear of the Dragonmarks and the Houses.

    And why are you so short and hairy? Is it contagious?


    I hope it's not contagious.

    Chief Tyrol. Academician Megazver of the Jol-Nar Universities
  • delrolanddelroland Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    One of the few things I liked about DDO was the fact that dwarves didn't all have to look like Cousin It. I remember making a dwarf rogue named Brick who had a flame orange quasi-Mr. T hairdo and spectacles.

    Edit: and it looked cool, is my point. Plus DDO was Eberron.

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  • delrolanddelroland Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    /bump

    Tell me, Mr. Tattoo'd-Up Dwarf, about the marvels of magical technology! :D

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  • LightRiderLightRider __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2009
    Awesome OP! Thank you for spelling out how awesome Eberron is!

    Speak more of the continent of dragons if you can.

    Have you ever seen a dragon?

  • AegeriAegeri Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    So my In Real Life game is moving onto Eberron after July and the campaign is based around the players being shipwrecked on the coast of Xen'drik. After some thought I finally decided on the first encounter.

    A gigantic EL 2 solo soldier crab.

    With vulnerability 10 to critical hits.

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Aegeri wrote: »
    A gigantic EL 2 solo soldier crab.

    With vulnerability 10 to critical hits.

    It took me a minute to realize what this means....good show.

    Trogg wrote: »
    Not as positive as AIDS and cancer, but positive nonetheless.

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  • ShurakaiShurakai Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Starting a campaign in Eberron called Aspects of the Sovereign Host.

    Its gonna be a long one.

    Basically the just of it is the characters were ripped from the forgotten realm by the god Kol Korran to restore the "good" gods to their former power and to restore balance to thier world. To do so the adventurers must aquire 5 aspects. Each of these is found in a location on or near Khorvaire. I have the location of three nailed down. The Aspect of Creation will be in Charn, deep beneath the city in the area known as the forge. The Aspect of Sorrow will lay somewhere in the mournland. Another aspect will lie at the northern tip of Xen'drik.

    There will be a massive plot twist at the end that will make the characters feel horrible about themselves and then they will have an opportunity to strike back at thier betrayer.
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  • MaticoreMaticore Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I think you have Eberron completely wrong, but I'm not going to tell you that your fun is wrong. Just understand that what you're playing is not "Eberron" as written.

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Most of the Eberron character's I've played or seen played would tell Kol Korran to fuck right the hell off now that they're in a world where gods don't just parade around mortals as dress up dolls.

    I really don't see why the PC's should care that random supernatural entity has said they need to do what it wants, especially after it's ripped them away from all their family, friends and world they knew. They are either remarkably gullible or de facto slaves. Neither sounds that fun. I suppose you could take the attitude that nobody in this (Eberron) world is a real person so they can do whatever they want and all they want is to get back to the "real" world. That could be cool if rather fucked up sociopathic kind of way.

    Trogg wrote: »
    Not as positive as AIDS and cancer, but positive nonetheless.

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  • MaticoreMaticore Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Well, that and,

    There's no Eberron fluff that the gods speak directly to people,

    ever.

    Everyone who has ever been spoken to directly by a god is regarded as incredibly wacko (Silver flame is the exception, seeing as it is a physical thing) and from a meta-fluff view there's no proof that any of the Eberron gods even exist as physical entities.

    EDIT: I'm really not trying to shoot you down this hard, but it is a thread on the setting and I'm keeping stuff straight for people who don't know Eberron.

  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I see the gods in Eberron as being like the archetypes in some of the Tim Powers books: totally beyond mortal comprehension, although it's possible to project a face onto that form.

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The hands off attitude of the gods is one of the best parts of Eberron. It actually adds some ambiguity and complexity into the whole religion thing.

    It also lets, say the LG paladin of the Silver Flame think that the LG priest of the Seven is actually an appropriate foe because he's doing it wrong.

    Trogg wrote: »
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  • MaticoreMaticore Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    It also lets the silver flame slaughter all but a handful of Lycanthropes.

    Oh? You didn't know that about Eberron.

    Yeah, the silver flame did that. They committed Lycanthrope genocide.

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Positive Contribution: Shurakai if you replace the dark god with one of the Rakasha lords it'd fit much better. It'd also have a campaign long signs that what they're doing is fucked up if they can figure it out which can actually lead to that end of campaign pay off when they do figure out they done fucked up good.

    Trogg wrote: »
    Not as positive as AIDS and cancer, but positive nonetheless.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Maticore wrote: »
    It also lets the silver flame slaughter all but a handful of Lycanthropes.

    Oh? You didn't know that about Eberron.

    Yeah, the silver flame did that. They committed Lycanthrope genocide.
    To be fair to the Silver Flame did this in 3.x where they were "Always" evil at the time....except for the boars and tigers.
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    Trogg wrote: »
    Not as positive as AIDS and cancer, but positive nonetheless.

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  • MaticoreMaticore Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Isn't there an Internet Rule/theory about comparing people to hitler? Because this is the part where I do that.

  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Maticore wrote: »
    Isn't there an Internet Rule/theory about comparing people to hitler? Because this is the part where I do that.

    Godwin's Law!
    (It also means you auto-lose the argument...)

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    But, but, the Silver Flame really were like Nazi's. Of course, so are the Karnathi....and the Lord of Blades and some of the Orc/Goblinoids...

    Really what I'm saying is this: There is no good excuse to not play Indiana Jones.

    Trogg wrote: »
    Not as positive as AIDS and cancer, but positive nonetheless.

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    But, but, the Silver Flame really were like Nazi's. Of course, so are the Karnathi....and the Lord of Blades and some of the Orc/Goblinoids...

    Really what I'm saying is this: There is no good excuse to not play Indiana Jones.

    Jesus, there was an Extreme Explorer prestige class right there in the campaign setting. They're practically giving you everything but the fedora and the badass theme music.

    (Also, in defense of the Silver Flame, I think Baker stated that it was the first time that lycanthropy was actually virulent--i.e., in the past, mommy werewolves and daddy werewolves were needed to make baby werewolves, but with the plague, it was actually being transferred through bites)

  • MaticoreMaticore Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    IIRC Baker said that Lycanthropy was hereditary, THEN it became like we know it - transferred through bites.

  • ShurakaiShurakai Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Positive Contribution: Shurakai if you replace the dark god with one of the Rakasha lords it'd fit much better. It'd also have a campaign long signs that what they're doing is fucked up if they can figure it out which can actually lead to that end of campaign pay off when they do figure out they done fucked up good.

    Thanks, I'll look into it!

    I realize that the storyline isn't exactly what is supposed to happen in the universe, but I like to play fast and loose with stuff like that when I design a campaign. And of course neither the players nor the characters play are familliar with Eberron, so how do they know gods dont interact with them? That could be a good hook for the betrayal/twist of the storyline though, to find out that in fact they weren't dealing with gods but smaller beings that hold great power.

    It is the first major campaign many of us have done, so I want to make each of the characters actions seem world-shaking in scope so they get the point that they are important to the story.

  • MaticoreMaticore Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Since in Eberron anything about about 15th level is world shaking - because it hasn't happened for a good two thousand years - I promise if you just consider things like that it'll be good.

    I'd also like to apologize for not being able to update this thread for about seven weeks, I'm going into the woods and won't have internet.

  • AegeriAegeri Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    May we die in the forest eh?

    :D

    Also, I would say that in 3rd edition terms, 15th level in 3rd is getting close to epic/low epic in 4E equivalently.

  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Maticore wrote: »
    Isn't there an Internet Rule/theory about comparing people to hitler? Because this is the part where I do that.

    Godwin's Law!
    (It also means you auto-lose the argument...)

    Comparing things to Nazis is fun and profit and does not have any effect on the validity of one's position!

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  • VicVic Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Maticore wrote: »
    Isn't there an Internet Rule/theory about comparing people to hitler? Because this is the part where I do that.

    Godwin's Law!
    (It also means you auto-lose the argument...)

    Comparing things to Nazis is fun and profit and does not have any effect on the validity of one's position!

    Godwin's law only actually applies if you compare the person you are arguing against to Hitler. An example, taken from a chat Tube and some person in City of Heroes:
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    On topic, I never got the Eberron book for 3E, but I am excited to check it out for this edition. Hell, I may even start a campaign in it.

  • delrolanddelroland Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    You can literally rip off any scene from any Indiana Jones movie ever and adapt it to an Eberron adventure.

    Yes, even the latest one. That's what the Daelkyr are for. And no pansy six-inch-long ants, either! Our ants are the size of trucks!

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  • ShurakaiShurakai Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Speaking of 3rd edition... if I read all the books that were published on the subject for 3rd edition and ignore all of the maths and combat stuff will it still be accurate with the stuff they are putting out now?

    I've looked over the maps and descriptions of locations and they seem to be fairly in-step with the new adventurers guide.

  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    As far as I know, there have been no substantial changes to the setting, only changes to what they focus on--i.e. they look a lot more at the Draconic Prophecy this time around (if I recall the last podcast correctly).

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