Basij now moving with motorcycles in streets trying to scare people to stop chanting. it is not working anymore
Early on it did. It took Team Mousavi a few days to realize, 'hey, wait a minute, we can summon a million people on 24 hours notice and tens, possibly hundreds of thousands at the drop of a hat. Even when they're firing into the crowd, they can't much get more than 50 of us at a time out of that big a crowd, and that's if they get lucky.'
Team Mousavi basically crunched the numbers and realized they own this thing if they keep turning out.
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I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
man this is such a good thread full of informative posts. I've been following this since the night of the election and it beats MSM any day of the week. I think for the most part, we all know what is going on there and while new things do come up from day to day basis, I think in certain areas, there may be somewhat of an overexposure to the point of human disrespect. I mean we all know of the atrocities that basij has been committing and documentation is an absolute must, however, I think the posting of what essentially amounts to snuff videos and pictures is pretty innappropriate for the cause. That is not to say that we should sanitize the news or anything but I think the documentation of acts and witnessing from the people who are there should be enough. We should not be demanding proof of these atrocities in that form.
I understand the squeamishness, I hate gore for the sake of gore myself. But these are the pictures that need to get out. It's too easy to dismiss this as "more of the same from the Middle East" without those pictures and the context.
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I think most posters have been very reasonable about using spoiler tags for discretion. I personally would spoiler anything with blood. Considering there have been multiple reports of violence in the protests, I can't imagine anyone going in unprepared to see that sort of thing.
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GoslingLooking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, ProbablyWatertown, WIRegistered Userregular
edited June 2009
We should probably set some OP ground rules as to how to deal with stuff like that.
For the graphic stuff, I'd say link it and mark it as such, but don't hotlink it. Just so nobody gets in trouble at work or something.
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I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
man this is such a good thread full of informative posts. I've been following this since the night of the election and it beats MSM any day of the week. I think for the most part, we all know what is going on there and while new things do come up from day to day basis, I think in certain areas, there may be somewhat of an overexposure to the point of human disrespect. I mean we all know of the atrocities that basij has been committing and documentation is an absolute must, however, I think the posting of what essentially amounts to snuff videos and pictures is pretty innappropriate for the cause. That is not to say that we should sanitize the news or anything but I think the documentation of acts and witnessing from the people who are there should be enough. We should not be demanding proof of these atrocities in that form.
I understand the squeamishness, I hate gore for the sake of gore myself. But these are the pictures that need to get out. It's too easy to dismiss this as "more of the same from the Middle East" without those pictures and the context.
Edit:
I think most posters have been very reasonable about using spoiler tags for discretion. I personally would spoiler anything with blood. Considering there have been multiple reports of violence in the protests, I can't imagine anyone going in unprepared to see that sort of thing.
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well my point is thus:
Basij shooting into crowd = important and needs to be shown
Post mortem pictures of desceased = somewhat disrespectful and doesn't exactly add much to the discourse, the description and the story of how that happened adds more than a picture of an evicerated dead dude will ever
Speaking of violent images, CNN has redeemed themselves. Or at least their website has. Front page article is about Iran and the internet. Front picture within the article is the guy being held up by the crowd with the completely bloodied face.
I don't really see how it's inappropriate, unless stuff isn't being marked as nsfw/gore/etc.
the point is to link to where you can see it instead of just putting spoilertags. if you spoil something it still loads on your page so people with anal admins at work can still nail them for shit even if it was 'spoilered'
Early machine guns were water cooled and could be bypassed if you sent enough people at them. This reminds me of that and a zergling rush.
The problem for Khameni and Ahmadinejad is that there are a lot a people that are going after their throats when this is done, especially with the outrageous anonymous burials. The former could pass the buck onto the latter but the latter is going to be drawing a lot of hatred for his actions over the past few days instead of his policies.
What's with all this rumbling about Russia having a hand in helping Ahmandinnerjacket plan this coup, along with the suppression tactics used by the Basij?
Hrm.
Not that there's much evidence out there to lend that accusation any credence, but what if it were true?
well my point is thus:
Basij shooting into crowd = important and needs to be shown
Post mortem pictures of desceased = somewhat disrespectful and doesn't exactly add much to the discourse, the description and the story of how that happened adds more than a picture of an evicerated dead dude will ever
Showing the consequences of the former doesn't seem disrespectful to me at all. It's just unpleasant to look at.
The Basij are actively seen trying to suppress rioters.
No idea where Russia came into it.
Unfounded rumoring that Russia may have been involved in training them. Unlikely since Russia has it's own problems with radical Islam, and Iran has forces capable of training (and who are on record as doing so) already.
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GoslingLooking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, ProbablyWatertown, WIRegistered Userregular
edited June 2009
The way things are going, I really don't expect either one to walk away from this. Though I do see Khameni throwing Ahmadinejad under the bus in an attempt to save himself as a plausible scenario.
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I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
well my point is thus:
Basij shooting into crowd = important and needs to be shown
Post mortem pictures of desceased = somewhat disrespectful and doesn't exactly add much to the discourse, the description and the story of how that happened adds more than a picture of an evicerated dead dude will ever
Showing the consequences of the former doesn't seem disrespectful to me at all. It's just unpleasant to look at.
its not the unpleasantness for me, its a matter of consent
I've worked as an EMT for about 2 years now and even the video of people loading injured into the back of that ambulance is makes me cringe because of all the people flocking to the back of the opened doors to stick their cameras into the back of the ambulance. Its just a simple matter of respect. I mean theres a reason why we don't allow these kinds of things here and while the situation over there is a bit of an extenuating circumstance where documentation is necessary, there is still a line that should be respected. Just because their nation is undergoing what it is doesn't mean the individual protestors should lose their rights to medical privacy.
I didn't mean to imply that I would actually find humor in the CIA being behind this. I think my emotions would swing between impotent rage and sadness
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HachfaceNot the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking ofDammit, Shepard!Registered Userregular
I didn't mean to imply that I would actually find humor in the CIA being behind this. I think my emotions would swing between impotent rage and sadness
I think any reasonable reading of your post would conclude that you meant funny in the sense of absurd. Don't sweat it.
I really, really, REALLY hope the CIA is capable of this but not involved because the idea of them being rendered incapable, rancid, and atrophied husks of their formers selves after the Bush and Clinton administrations would make me sad in a, "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! EVERYONE ABANDON PLANET! GIMME A KNIFE! I WANT OFF THIS STUPID RIDE!" sort of way.
I really, really, REALLY hope the CIA is capable of this but not involved because the idea of them being rendered incapable, rancid, and atrophied husks of their formers selves after the Bush and Clinton administrations would make me sad in a, "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! EVERYONE ABANDON PLANET! GIMME A KNIFE! I WANT OFF THIS STUPID RIDE!" sort of way.
I really, really, REALLY hope the CIA is capable of this but not involved because the idea of them being rendered incapable, rancid, and atrophied husks of their formers selves after the Bush and Clinton administrations would make me sad in a, "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! EVERYONE ABANDON PLANET! GIMME A KNIFE! I WANT OFF THIS STUPID RIDE!" sort of way.
The CIA has never been competent.
It WOULD explain how horribly done the rigging was.
I really, really, REALLY hope the CIA is capable of this but not involved because the idea of them being rendered incapable, rancid, and atrophied husks of their formers selves after the Bush and Clinton administrations would make me sad in a, "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! EVERYONE ABANDON PLANET! GIMME A KNIFE! I WANT OFF THIS STUPID RIDE!" sort of way.
The CIA has never been competent.
Seriously, the more you read about the CIA, the more hilarious they become as they seem to have fucked up SO many times.
I really, really, REALLY hope the CIA is capable of this but not involved because the idea of them being rendered incapable, rancid, and atrophied husks of their formers selves after the Bush and Clinton administrations would make me sad in a, "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! EVERYONE ABANDON PLANET! GIMME A KNIFE! I WANT OFF THIS STUPID RIDE!" sort of way.
The CIA has never been competent.
Seriously, the more you read about the CIA, the more hilarious they become as they seem to have fucked up SO many times.
That's the thing about a spy agency. The missions that get written and read about the most are the ones they fuck up. Flawless mission... what mission? We don't know about a mission.
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I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
I really, really, REALLY hope the CIA is capable of this but not involved because the idea of them being rendered incapable, rancid, and atrophied husks of their formers selves after the Bush and Clinton administrations would make me sad in a, "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! EVERYONE ABANDON PLANET! GIMME A KNIFE! I WANT OFF THIS STUPID RIDE!" sort of way.
The CIA has never been competent.
Seriously, the more you read about the CIA, the more hilarious they become as they seem to have fucked up SO many times.
Read it with the Benny Hill music playing, it's even better.
I really, really, REALLY hope the CIA is capable of this but not involved because the idea of them being rendered incapable, rancid, and atrophied husks of their formers selves after the Bush and Clinton administrations would make me sad in a, "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! EVERYONE ABANDON PLANET! GIMME A KNIFE! I WANT OFF THIS STUPID RIDE!" sort of way.
The CIA has never been competent.
Seriously, the more you read about the CIA, the more hilarious they become as they seem to have fucked up SO many times.
This reminds me of a few years back when Ahmadinejad had some piece of legislation where the parliament would make a statement condemning the CIA as a terrorist organization in response to the senate declaring the IRG as such.
The first reaction is, of course, that he is a dick.
Then you think about it for more than a few seconds and you realize that its perfectly apt.
I really, really, REALLY hope the CIA is capable of this but not involved because the idea of them being rendered incapable, rancid, and atrophied husks of their formers selves after the Bush and Clinton administrations would make me sad in a, "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! EVERYONE ABANDON PLANET! GIMME A KNIFE! I WANT OFF THIS STUPID RIDE!" sort of way.
The CIA has never been competent.
What's with all the CIA bashing? Sure you've had those high-profile failures, but intelligence work is not exactly an easy or precise science. Keep in mind, hindsight is everything when we think, "How could they have missed that?"
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HachfaceNot the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking ofDammit, Shepard!Registered Userregular
That's the thing about a spy agency. The missions that get written and read about the most are the ones they fuck up. Flawless mission... what mission? We don't know about a mission.
I really, really, REALLY hope the CIA is capable of this but not involved because the idea of them being rendered incapable, rancid, and atrophied husks of their formers selves after the Bush and Clinton administrations would make me sad in a, "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! EVERYONE ABANDON PLANET! GIMME A KNIFE! I WANT OFF THIS STUPID RIDE!" sort of way.
The CIA has never been competent.
Seriously, the more you read about the CIA, the more hilarious they become as they seem to have fucked up SO many times.
Hey, I'd like to see you successfully overthrow the government of another country.
I really, really, REALLY hope the CIA is capable of this but not involved because the idea of them being rendered incapable, rancid, and atrophied husks of their formers selves after the Bush and Clinton administrations would make me sad in a, "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! EVERYONE ABANDON PLANET! GIMME A KNIFE! I WANT OFF THIS STUPID RIDE!" sort of way.
The CIA has never been competent.
Seriously, the more you read about the CIA, the more hilarious they become as they seem to have fucked up SO many times.
Hey, I'd like to see you successfully overthrow the government of another country.
Not really, please don't try.
Do itttt....
Have they successfully overthrown the government of another country? I mean, this is the same organisation whose plans to defeat Fidel Castro involve powder that makes his beard fall out. I shit you not.
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Team Mousavi basically crunched the numbers and realized they own this thing if they keep turning out.
I understand the squeamishness, I hate gore for the sake of gore myself. But these are the pictures that need to get out. It's too easy to dismiss this as "more of the same from the Middle East" without those pictures and the context.
Edit:
I think most posters have been very reasonable about using spoiler tags for discretion. I personally would spoiler anything with blood. Considering there have been multiple reports of violence in the protests, I can't imagine anyone going in unprepared to see that sort of thing.
V V V V V
For the graphic stuff, I'd say link it and mark it as such, but don't hotlink it. Just so nobody gets in trouble at work or something.
Spoilering doesn't keep it from loading.
Basij shooting into crowd = important and needs to be shown
Post mortem pictures of desceased = somewhat disrespectful and doesn't exactly add much to the discourse, the description and the story of how that happened adds more than a picture of an evicerated dead dude will ever
You are correct; this did not occur to me. Point taken.
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
the point is to link to where you can see it instead of just putting spoilertags. if you spoil something it still loads on your page so people with anal admins at work can still nail them for shit even if it was 'spoilered'
The problem for Khameni and Ahmadinejad is that there are a lot a people that are going after their throats when this is done, especially with the outrageous anonymous burials. The former could pass the buck onto the latter but the latter is going to be drawing a lot of hatred for his actions over the past few days instead of his policies.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Hrm.
Not that there's much evidence out there to lend that accusation any credence, but what if it were true?
It seems like the Mousavi campaign is blaming Russia for supporting or even having a hand in the rigging of the election.
Blaming foreign meddling must be a bipartisan strategy in Iran.
Showing the consequences of the former doesn't seem disrespectful to me at all. It's just unpleasant to look at.
No idea where Russia came into it.
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
Unfounded rumoring that Russia may have been involved in training them. Unlikely since Russia has it's own problems with radical Islam, and Iran has forces capable of training (and who are on record as doing so) already.
Fallout? Hilarious.
matthewlrigdon: @petehoekstra Maybe you would like to compare Lakers parade to the Iranian rallies? We almost got shut down, too.
dmanaster: RT @MattOrtega RT @petehoekstra Walked out onto Constitution Ave in D.C. and was almost hit by a taxi. Reminded me of Tienanmen Square.
leo_watkins: RT @BrianYoung @petehoekstra: Missed lunch today cuz I was late and walking to a mting. Reminded me of the Bataan Death March.
paganmist: @petehoekstra Had to move all my stuff to a new office w/o a corner view. Now i know what the Trail of Tears was like. #GOPfail
gfinockio: @petehoekstra Does that mean the Dems should start beating you with batons, just to make the comparison truly valid? (Moron.)
rdutchofdukes: @petehoekstra you are officially a bigger embarrassment to the US than the octomom. Take a bow, Pete.
its not the unpleasantness for me, its a matter of consent
I've worked as an EMT for about 2 years now and even the video of people loading injured into the back of that ambulance is makes me cringe because of all the people flocking to the back of the opened doors to stick their cameras into the back of the ambulance. Its just a simple matter of respect. I mean theres a reason why we don't allow these kinds of things here and while the situation over there is a bit of an extenuating circumstance where documentation is necessary, there is still a line that should be respected. Just because their nation is undergoing what it is doesn't mean the individual protestors should lose their rights to medical privacy.
These responses are brilliant. I love Twitter sometimes.
I was being facetious, because the modern CIA couldn't execute "Operation run to the store for a pack of smokes" without fucking it up
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
Yes, I know, it wasn't funny.
Anyway, from Change From Iran:
holy crap how did i miss this
BRAVO
I think any reasonable reading of your post would conclude that you meant funny in the sense of absurd. Don't sweat it.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
The CIA has never been competent.
It WOULD explain how horribly done the rigging was.
Oh god, I lol'd. Good show, Twitterers. :^:
I'M A TWITTER SHITTER
Seriously, the more you read about the CIA, the more hilarious they become as they seem to have fucked up SO many times.
Read it with the Benny Hill music playing, it's even better.
The first reaction is, of course, that he is a dick.
Then you think about it for more than a few seconds and you realize that its perfectly apt.
What's with all the CIA bashing? Sure you've had those high-profile failures, but intelligence work is not exactly an easy or precise science. Keep in mind, hindsight is everything when we think, "How could they have missed that?"
Things do get declassified eventually.
Hey, I'd like to see you successfully overthrow the government of another country.
Have they successfully overthrown the government of another country? I mean, this is the same organisation whose plans to defeat Fidel Castro involve powder that makes his beard fall out. I shit you not.