See, I think the core of the argument against the gore is that it's been done before, and it's not shocking anymore. That's the whole problem, that he's ratcheted it up and up and it's just not having the impact it's supposed to have. Nobody's saying that it's a new thing, the whole problem with it is that it's old and uninteresting and it works to the detriment of the book at this point.
See, I think the core of the argument against the gore is that it's been done before, and it's not shocking anymore. That's the whole problem, that he's ratcheted it up and up and it's just not having the impact it's supposed to have. Nobody's saying that it's a new thing, the whole problem with it is that it's old and uninteresting and it works to the detriment of the book at this point.
Yes, exactly. Kirkman appears to have misunderstood the shock of original gore as being about the level of violence, as opposed to just the contrast with 'typical' stories. As a result, he just keeps pushing the 'gore' knob higher, instead of considering why it actually had an impact in the beginning.
Things right now in the Invincible universe is spinning out of control, tougher opponents and people are showing up, people are getting hurt, people are getting hurt and again when it comes to people able to shoot lasers, have super strength, be Superman level powers and abilities then people are going to be hurt and unlike most comics they're not afraid to show that people do get hurt bad, they don't just do the "Oh no I hurt my shoulder so I'll just be grabbing it and gritting my teeth then later have it in a sling to show it got hurt and in the next issue I'll be okay!".
Again to me Kirkman is showing a more realistic view of how super heroing is, it's not so fantasy based as the DC universe is much of the time and I find that refreshing. In this book anything can and will happen, no one is safe, nothing is going to be set to the status quo for 40 years unchanging and that's what more comic books need.
I said it before and I'll say it again, comic book fans are conditioned to expect nothing really major happening because things just go back to how they are, we need to break that and that's one thing Invicible does so well.
I think dupli-kate, and Angstrom are the only ones who've "resurrected" so far, and kate's reasoning made some sense (i wait for the ultimate collections, so i don't know how angstrom survived). i would agree that "dead is dead" in the invincible universe, at least so far.
Oh if the argument is that its just been too much gore and not enough nice fluffy stuff lately then i am in complete agreement. I don't know anything about the next arc but hopefully it'll be more sedate.
I think dupli-kate, and Angstrom are the only ones who've "resurrected" so far, and kate's reasoning made some sense (i wait for the ultimate collections, so i don't know how angstrom survived). i would agree that "dead is dead" in the invincible universe, at least so far.
All's I'm sayin'... now stay with me here... ReanimEve. Booyah.
I think dupli-kate, and Angstrom are the only ones who've "resurrected" so far, and kate's reasoning made some sense (i wait for the ultimate collections, so i don't know how angstrom survived). i would agree that "dead is dead" in the invincible universe, at least so far.
All's I'm sayin'... now stay with me here... ReanimEve. Booyah.
I don't think we're supposed to actually talk about the book in this thread - just argue about gore.
I think dupli-kate, and Angstrom are the only ones who've "resurrected" so far, and kate's reasoning made some sense (i wait for the ultimate collections, so i don't know how angstrom survived). i would agree that "dead is dead" in the invincible universe, at least so far.
All's I'm sayin'... now stay with me here... ReanimEve. Booyah.
Here's a weird thought: due to those blockers in her head, Eve couldn't manipulate living matter, right? If she were reanimated, could she manipulate her own matter? She could look perfectly living, but have perfect control over herself.
I think dupli-kate, and Angstrom are the only ones who've "resurrected" so far, and kate's reasoning made some sense (i wait for the ultimate collections, so i don't know how angstrom survived). i would agree that "dead is dead" in the invincible universe, at least so far.
All's I'm sayin'... now stay with me here... ReanimEve. Booyah.
Here's a weird thought: due to those blockers in her head, Eve couldn't manipulate living matter, right? If she were reanimated, could she manipulate her own matter? She could look perfectly living, but have perfect control over herself.
I hate myself for having that thought.
If I had that sort of power, the first thing I'd try to do is manipulate my brain so that I could become smart enough to use my powers better. I might accidentally make myself evil in the process, however. Oh, these damned powers are as much a curse as a blessing!
I think dupli-kate, and Angstrom are the only ones who've "resurrected" so far, and kate's reasoning made some sense (i wait for the ultimate collections, so i don't know how angstrom survived). i would agree that "dead is dead" in the invincible universe, at least so far.
All's I'm sayin'... now stay with me here... ReanimEve. Booyah.
Here's a weird thought: due to those blockers in her head, Eve couldn't manipulate living matter, right? If she were reanimated, could she manipulate her own matter? She could look perfectly living, but have perfect control over herself.
I hate myself for having that thought.
If I had that sort of power, the first thing I'd try to do is manipulate my brain so that I could become smart enough to use my powers better. I might accidentally make myself evil in the process, however. Oh, these damned powers are as much a curse as a blessing!
That's always my first thought whenever fiction - novel, movie, whatever - has someone with superpowers but hasn't taught themselves how to use them well despite being a teenager or older. I watched "Push" recently, and while it was a totally fun movie (and an incredibly open call for a series), I was struck by how stupid the protagonist was for having spent years using these powers without any attempts at refining them until the prescient girl showed up.
Eve's not dead. Invincible headbutts Conquest's head in. The final panel shows a newly alive Eve, laying naked next to a battered Invincible who realizes she's fine just before passing out.
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"Blood and gore! Sigh. So anyway, yeah... this series has gotten very violent as of late. I maintain it's always been pretty violent. Issue 7, issue 11 and 12... and 23 and 38... 52... there's been stuff as bad as some of the suff in the past three issues in the series before, but yeah... never all in one story.
The point being, Invincible isn't a gore comic now... this is just another period in the life of the series. Invincible will be fun again and Invincible will be gory again... so yeah... things will progress as always, just like before.
The reason I enjoy this series so much, and will continue to work on it for as long as I can, is that it's so many things in one book. It's high drama, horrific violence, cool superheroics... and some romance all in one... it's a little something for everyone. And that's not going to change any time soon.
I'm going to regret asking since I tradewait, but they just show her alive? No explanation? I guess the implication would be that she healed herself reflexively (like how she used her full powers before)?
"Blood and gore! Sigh. So anyway, yeah... this series has gotten very violent as of late. I maintain it's always been pretty violent. Issue 7, issue 11 and 12... and 23 and 38... 52... there's been stuff as bad as some of the suff in the past three issues in the series before, but yeah... never all in one story.
The point being, Invincible isn't a gore comic now... this is just another period in the life of the series. Invincible will be fun again and Invincible will be gory again... so yeah... things will progress as always, just like before.
The reason I enjoy this series so much, and will continue to work on it for as long as I can, is that it's so many things in one book. It's high drama, horrific violence, cool superheroics... and some romance all in one... it's a little something for everyone. And that's not going to change any time soon.
So there."
- Robert Kirkman
Google doesn't seem to turn this up, so it musn't have ben crawled yet; where did you get it?
I'm going to regret asking since I tradewait, but they just show her alive? No explanation? I guess the implication would be that she healed herself reflexively (like how she used her full powers before)?
No there is definitely some resurrection thing with her powers shown, pink light shoots out of her eyes and the hole in her torso
"Blood and gore! Sigh. So anyway, yeah... this series has gotten very violent as of late. I maintain it's always been pretty violent. Issue 7, issue 11 and 12... and 23 and 38... 52... there's been stuff as bad as some of the suff in the past three issues in the series before, but yeah... never all in one story.
The point being, Invincible isn't a gore comic now... this is just another period in the life of the series. Invincible will be fun again and Invincible will be gory again... so yeah... things will progress as always, just like before.
The reason I enjoy this series so much, and will continue to work on it for as long as I can, is that it's so many things in one book. It's high drama, horrific violence, cool superheroics... and some romance all in one... it's a little something for everyone. And that's not going to change any time soon.
So there."
- Robert Kirkman
You know what
I'm so mad I'm going to go make a post on the internet about this
"Blood and gore! Sigh. So anyway, yeah... this series has gotten very violent as of late. I maintain it's always been pretty violent. Issue 7, issue 11 and 12... and 23 and 38... 52... there's been stuff as bad as some of the suff in the past three issues in the series before, but yeah... never all in one story.
The point being, Invincible isn't a gore comic now... this is just another period in the life of the series. Invincible will be fun again and Invincible will be gory again... so yeah... things will progress as always, just like before.
The reason I enjoy this series so much, and will continue to work on it for as long as I can, is that it's so many things in one book. It's high drama, horrific violence, cool superheroics... and some romance all in one... it's a little something for everyone. And that's not going to change any time soon.
So there."
- Robert Kirkman
Google doesn't seem to turn this up, so it musn't have ben crawled yet; where did you get it?
It's the paragraph before this issue's mail section
"Blood and gore! Sigh. So anyway, yeah... this series has gotten very violent as of late. I maintain it's always been pretty violent. Issue 7, issue 11 and 12... and 23 and 38... 52... there's been stuff as bad as some of the suff in the past three issues in the series before, but yeah... never all in one story.
The point being, Invincible isn't a gore comic now... this is just another period in the life of the series. Invincible will be fun again and Invincible will be gory again... so yeah... things will progress as always, just like before.
The reason I enjoy this series so much, and will continue to work on it for as long as I can, is that it's so many things in one book. It's high drama, horrific violence, cool superheroics... and some romance all in one... it's a little something for everyone. And that's not going to change any time soon.
So there."
- Robert Kirkman
Google doesn't seem to turn this up, so it musn't have ben crawled yet; where did you get it?
It's the paragraph before this issue's mail section
See what you people did, you upset Robert Kirkman slightly, bad posters, BAD.
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Also I just noticed this
Mark breaks Conquest's mecha-arm with his compound fracture, bone-through-the-skin arm
"Blood and gore! Sigh. So anyway, yeah... this series has gotten very violent as of late. I maintain it's always been pretty violent. Issue 7, issue 11 and 12... and 23 and 38... 52... there's been stuff as bad as some of the suff in the past three issues in the series before, but yeah... never all in one story.
The point being, Invincible isn't a gore comic now... this is just another period in the life of the series. Invincible will be fun again and Invincible will be gory again... so yeah... things will progress as always, just like before.
The reason I enjoy this series so much, and will continue to work on it for as long as I can, is that it's so many things in one book. It's high drama, horrific violence, cool superheroics... and some romance all in one... it's a little something for everyone. And that's not going to change any time soon.
Meh, this issue didn't really do anything for me. Maybe now that this conquest business is done with it'll pick up again though, and I'm looking forward to the Allen the Alien mini-arc that's coming up with Cory Walker in 66-67.
Just terrible, I don't much care what Kirkman said in the back of the book about not going past this point, I think I'll be taking a break from this one for a while. We'll see how it looks down the road again I imagine.
Just terrible, I don't much care what Kirkman said in the back of the book about not going past this point, I think I'll be taking a break from this one for a while. We'll see how it looks down the road again I imagine.
I noticed you're avatar is Allen the Alien - issues 66 & 67 are going to be all Allen issues. You might want to check those out before you give up on the book .
"It's time for the costume to come back," Kirkman told CBR News. "I always planned on having the new costume around for a little while. In 'Invincible,' I always try to do those fun superhero things that everybody does. I got to issue #50 and was like, 'Oh man, he's still got the same costume on? Most characters have changed costumes a couple of times by now!' I figured it'd be a fun thing to do."
Kirkman wouldn't reveal exactly why Mark would be returning to his original costume, other than to say that something important would happen that prompts the uniform change. "He will spill food on his costume and that inspires him to put on his old suit," the writer joked. "It'll be much less ridiculous in the book, I promise.
"The fact that he has been through such a rough patch lately is the major reason that he's ready to no longer look at himself in the blue-and-black costume," Kirkman teased further. "That blue-and-black costume represents a time period where he's had it a little rough. He's ready to put it behind him."
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edit: That being said i could do with a bit less fighting
Yes, exactly. Kirkman appears to have misunderstood the shock of original gore as being about the level of violence, as opposed to just the contrast with 'typical' stories. As a result, he just keeps pushing the 'gore' knob higher, instead of considering why it actually had an impact in the beginning.
Things right now in the Invincible universe is spinning out of control, tougher opponents and people are showing up, people are getting hurt, people are getting hurt and again when it comes to people able to shoot lasers, have super strength, be Superman level powers and abilities then people are going to be hurt and unlike most comics they're not afraid to show that people do get hurt bad, they don't just do the "Oh no I hurt my shoulder so I'll just be grabbing it and gritting my teeth then later have it in a sling to show it got hurt and in the next issue I'll be okay!".
Again to me Kirkman is showing a more realistic view of how super heroing is, it's not so fantasy based as the DC universe is much of the time and I find that refreshing. In this book anything can and will happen, no one is safe, nothing is going to be set to the status quo for 40 years unchanging and that's what more comic books need.
I said it before and I'll say it again, comic book fans are conditioned to expect nothing really major happening because things just go back to how they are, we need to break that and that's one thing Invicible does so well.
All's I'm sayin'... now stay with me here... ReanimEve. Booyah.
I don't think we're supposed to actually talk about the book in this thread - just argue about gore.
But aside from that, I like the way you think.
Here's a weird thought: due to those blockers in her head, Eve couldn't manipulate living matter, right? If she were reanimated, could she manipulate her own matter? She could look perfectly living, but have perfect control over herself.
I hate myself for having that thought.
And if anybody actualy read it, we might care.
If I had that sort of power, the first thing I'd try to do is manipulate my brain so that I could become smart enough to use my powers better. I might accidentally make myself evil in the process, however. Oh, these damned powers are as much a curse as a blessing!
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That's always my first thought whenever fiction - novel, movie, whatever - has someone with superpowers but hasn't taught themselves how to use them well despite being a teenager or older. I watched "Push" recently, and while it was a totally fun movie (and an incredibly open call for a series), I was struck by how stupid the protagonist was for having spent years using these powers without any attempts at refining them until the prescient girl showed up.
(spoilers for the entire issue).
The point being, Invincible isn't a gore comic now... this is just another period in the life of the series. Invincible will be fun again and Invincible will be gory again... so yeah... things will progress as always, just like before.
The reason I enjoy this series so much, and will continue to work on it for as long as I can, is that it's so many things in one book. It's high drama, horrific violence, cool superheroics... and some romance all in one... it's a little something for everyone. And that's not going to change any time soon.
So there."
- Robert Kirkman
Google doesn't seem to turn this up, so it musn't have ben crawled yet; where did you get it?
You know what
I'm so mad I'm going to go make a post on the internet about this
It's the paragraph before this issue's mail section
I thought the
See what you people did, you upset Robert Kirkman slightly, bad posters, BAD.
Holy shit
Honestly, I don't see the problem here.
Really good.
I'm not even going to reference anything from it. Just go find it, sit down, reread 63 and read it.
Good.
But it does really fuck up his arm, for the rest of the issue it just kind of flops around at horrible angles
but man. such a good issue. eve alive and well. conquest a bloody pulp.
so glad i got to my LCS right as they were putting 64 up. last two months i had to go to another shop 30 minutes away to get them.
But the whole thing took like 10 seconds to read.
Laughed my ass off at monster girl covering Robot's eyes at the end.
Ha, that's awesome! I completely missed that.
I noticed you're avatar is Allen the Alien - issues 66 & 67 are going to be all Allen issues. You might want to check those out before you give up on the book
"It's time for the costume to come back," Kirkman told CBR News. "I always planned on having the new costume around for a little while. In 'Invincible,' I always try to do those fun superhero things that everybody does. I got to issue #50 and was like, 'Oh man, he's still got the same costume on? Most characters have changed costumes a couple of times by now!' I figured it'd be a fun thing to do."
Kirkman wouldn't reveal exactly why Mark would be returning to his original costume, other than to say that something important would happen that prompts the uniform change. "He will spill food on his costume and that inspires him to put on his old suit," the writer joked. "It'll be much less ridiculous in the book, I promise.
"The fact that he has been through such a rough patch lately is the major reason that he's ready to no longer look at himself in the blue-and-black costume," Kirkman teased further. "That blue-and-black costume represents a time period where he's had it a little rough. He's ready to put it behind him."
Issue #67 cover:
Nice to see them again.