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determinism

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  • MarshmallowMarshmallow Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I really ought to learn some things like this, kinda like how I really ought to educate myself about politics, and similar.

    Can't really bring myself to be bothered though, so I just don't worry about it/vote.

    Marshmallow on
  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Or any music made before 2000. Well most of it.

    Son, are you on dope?

    Oh I see why people are freaking out. I meant to say any music made after 2000.

    Why does my brain write shit opposite of what I'm thinking?

    Meiz on
  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I really ought to learn some things like this, kinda like how I really ought to educate myself about politics, and similar.

    Can't really bring myself to be bothered though, so I just don't worry about it/vote.

    Rar rar Republicans

    Yor Yor Democrats

    Rar Yor Rar Yor in the butt.

    Meiz on
  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Meiz wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Or any music made before 2000. Well most of it.

    Son, are you on dope?

    Oh I see why people are freaking out. I meant to say any music made after 2000.

    Why does my brain write shit opposite of what I'm thinking?

    that's less dumb but still pretty dumb

    Charles Kinbote on
  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Meiz wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Or any music made before 2000. Well most of it.

    Son, are you on dope?

    Oh I see why people are freaking out. I meant to say any music made after 2000.

    Why does my brain write shit opposite of what I'm thinking?

    that's less dumb but still pretty dumb

    How so? Like how do you stack up an album like Dirtchamber versus anything made later? You can't. It's not possible.

    You'll be projecting yourself into the future and going insane trying. So don't bother.

    Meiz on
  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Meiz wrote: »
    #pipe wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Or any music made before 2000. Well most of it.

    that is a baffling opinion to hold

    Well, I haven't really been looking.

    I'm surprised that you've managed to go however many years without running into, say, Chopin

    oh man, I love Chopin

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef-4Bv5Ng0w

    and Dvorak

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yctfXIqugXc

    #pipe on
  • FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    this millennium's music sucks

    let's go to a sock hop

    Faynor on
    do you wanna see me eat a hotdog
  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    right now, with a paper thin understanding of the subject

    i think that the physical universe is wildly unpredictable due to quantum mechanics and materialistic determinism is completely impossible

    this does not necessarily mean free will does or does not exist, just that chance exists and events are not predestined

    this is what i think!

    i have nothing but the faintest clue about quantum mechanics so just enlighten me for a second: does it suggest that random things can happen with no cause at all

    Nuzak on
  • Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis God is love Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Meiz wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Or any music made before 2000. Well most of it.

    Son, are you on dope?

    Oh I see why people are freaking out. I meant to say any music made after 2000.

    Why does my brain write shit opposite of what I'm thinking?

    that's less dumb but still pretty dumb

    How so? Like how do you stack up an album like Dirtchamber versus anything made later? You can't. It's not possible.

    You'll be projecting yourself into the future and going insane trying. So don't bother.
    "led zeppelin is the greatest group of musicians ever"

    Mr. Henry Bemis on
    Nothing is true; Everything is permitted
  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Meiz wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Or any music made before 2000. Well most of it.

    Son, are you on dope?

    Oh I see why people are freaking out. I meant to say any music made after 2000.

    Why does my brain write shit opposite of what I'm thinking?

    that's less dumb but still pretty dumb

    How so? Like how do you stack up an album like Dirtchamber versus anything made later? You can't. It's not possible.

    You'll be projecting yourself into the future and going insane trying. So don't bother.

    ok it's back to being 100% dumb again

    Charles Kinbote on
  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    you know what I totally dig

    coincidences/lines of causality

    Charles Kinbote on
  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I didn't come here to read Wikipedia articles.
    so you're already versed on the subject sweet

    I knew you were going to say that
    well i mean this thread is, hypothetically, for discussion of determinism

    if one wants to actually participate they must either already have some basic knowledge or acquire it so i linked the easiest way to get an overview of the subject

    is this an unreasonable way to go about things

    I just thought you might write your own OP

    like a Cliff's Notes version

    Centipede Damascus on
  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Meiz wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Or any music made before 2000. Well most of it.

    Son, are you on dope?

    Oh I see why people are freaking out. I meant to say any music made after 2000.

    Why does my brain write shit opposite of what I'm thinking?

    that's less dumb but still pretty dumb

    How so? Like how do you stack up an album like Dirtchamber versus anything made later? You can't. It's not possible.

    You'll be projecting yourself into the future and going insane trying. So don't bother.

    ok it's back to being 100% dumb again

    People who say good music doesn't exist these days aren't really looking hard enough.

    Is music the "same" as it was "back in the day"?

    I don't know, maybe?

    Tweaked_Bat_ on
  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    what is dirtchamber

    that is a silly name for a thing

    #pipe on
  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    if he had been like "man since Bach things have just not been the same" I'd be like "ok I think you're kinda loopy but I'm not gonna argue the point"

    but you're going to pick a shitty 1999 album and say that all music after it pales in comparison?

    lol

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  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Meiz wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Or any music made before 2000. Well most of it.

    Son, are you on dope?

    Oh I see why people are freaking out. I meant to say any music made after 2000.

    Why does my brain write shit opposite of what I'm thinking?

    that's less dumb but still pretty dumb

    How so? Like how do you stack up an album like Dirtchamber versus anything made later? You can't. It's not possible.

    You'll be projecting yourself into the future and going insane trying. So don't bother.

    ok it's back to being 100% dumb again

    Nuh-uh. I challenge you to a rock off. How do you like that?

    Ain't so tough now that you've been all challenged and shit.

    Lets see you pull any album from the Ohs out vs the Dirtchamber and see who comes out on top?

    Meiz on
  • Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis God is love Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Nuzak wrote: »
    right now, with a paper thin understanding of the subject

    i think that the physical universe is wildly unpredictable due to quantum mechanics and materialistic determinism is completely impossible

    this does not necessarily mean free will does or does not exist, just that chance exists and events are not predestined

    this is what i think!

    i have nothing but the faintest clue about quantum mechanics so just enlighten me for a second: does it suggest that random things can happen with no cause at all
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism#Determinism.2C_quantum_mechanics.2C_and_classical_physics

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg_Uncertainty_Principle

    so far as i understand, which is little, particles are only PROBABLY gonna act like they turn out to, so chance is an inherent part of the physical universe

    that is a gross oversimplification and probably wrong on multiple counts

    if anyone could explain it in more detail please do

    Mr. Henry Bemis on
    Nothing is true; Everything is permitted
  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Meiz wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Or any music made before 2000. Well most of it.

    Son, are you on dope?

    Oh I see why people are freaking out. I meant to say any music made after 2000.

    Why does my brain write shit opposite of what I'm thinking?

    that's less dumb but still pretty dumb

    How so? Like how do you stack up an album like Dirtchamber versus anything made later? You can't. It's not possible.

    You'll be projecting yourself into the future and going insane trying. So don't bother.

    ok it's back to being 100% dumb again

    Nuh-uh. I challenge you to a rock off. How do you like that?

    Ain't so tough now that you've been all challenged and shit.

    Lets see you pull any album from the Ohs out vs the Dirtchamber and see who comes out on top?

    god you are by far the single dumbest person on these forums

    Charles Kinbote on
  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Music is music, it's always going to be just that.

    There is so much amazing shit out there.

    I can see where folks might try to draw comparisons between Western music these days as opposed to Western music in the "good 'ol days", but the fact is that great music continues to be released now, just as it did years ago.

    Tweaked_Bat_ on
  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Meiz wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Me Too! wrote: »
    Meiz wrote: »
    Or any music made before 2000. Well most of it.

    Son, are you on dope?

    Oh I see why people are freaking out. I meant to say any music made after 2000.

    Why does my brain write shit opposite of what I'm thinking?

    that's less dumb but still pretty dumb

    How so? Like how do you stack up an album like Dirtchamber versus anything made later? You can't. It's not possible.

    You'll be projecting yourself into the future and going insane trying. So don't bother.

    ok it's back to being 100% dumb again

    Nuh-uh. I challenge you to a rock off. How do you like that?

    Ain't so tough now that you've been all challenged and shit.

    Lets see you pull any album from the Ohs out vs the Dirtchamber and see who comes out on top?

    god you are by far the single dumbest person on these forums

    Way to bail and let down a decade hose brain.

    Meiz on
  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    6a00c22525503d8e1d00c2252621828fdb-500pi

    bam

    better than Dirtchamber

    I win

    Charles Kinbote on
  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Also do we have a music thread right now? Maybe we should move this there so that Bemis' thread doesn't get de-railed.

    edit: Shank I just bought that album on Vinyl the other day - :^:

    Tweaked_Bat_ on
  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    the protomen's first CD came out within the last nine years

    meiz loses

    Dichotomy on
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  • TabascoTabasco Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Tabasco wrote: »
    I really can't see how free will can exist. I do believe that humans are all just animals with no souls as well, so it's a pretty easy belief to have.

    so you are sixteen

    That's silly. When I was 16, most people I knew were religious and believed in souls. When you are younger, you are more inclined to believe in imaginary things as far as I can tell.

    Tabasco on
    Life is too important to be taken seriously.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    what the hell is that?

    Meiz on
  • FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Also do we have a music thread right now? Maybe we should move this there so that Bemis' thread doesn't get de-railed.

    edit: Shank I just bought that album on Vinyl the other day - :^:

    It was determinism that lead us down this path

    Faynor on
    do you wanna see me eat a hotdog
  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    oh my Explosions in the Sky

    Shank you get +5 music points

    #pipe on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2009
    6a00c22525503d8e1d00c2252621828fdb-500pi

    bam

    better than Dirtchamber

    I win

    That is not this though

    200px-How_strange%2C_innocence_re-release_cover.jpg

    and this is better

    I really really want this album

    Me Too! on
  • Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis God is love Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    HEALTH_GET_COLOR.jpg

    this is an album i perceive to be "good" and it came out like a week ago

    Mr. Henry Bemis on
    Nothing is true; Everything is permitted
  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Tabasco wrote: »
    Tabasco wrote: »
    I really can't see how free will can exist. I do believe that humans are all just animals with no souls as well, so it's a pretty easy belief to have.

    so you are sixteen

    That's silly. When I was 16, most people I knew were religious and believed in souls. When you are younger, you are more inclined to believe in imaginary things as far as I can tell.

    no I am fairly certain that most adolescents these days go through a period of "we're just animals and biology is my religion" before they begin to find deeper meaning later in life

    yes, little kids are more likely to believe in imaginary things, but most hardcore atheists I know are teenagers

    although I will grant that things were probably the other way around forty years ago

    Charles Kinbote on
  • FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Neptune.jpg

    This came out after 2000 and I like it, does that make me a bad person?

    Faynor on
    do you wanna see me eat a hotdog
  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Meiz wrote: »
    what the hell is that?

    the earth is not a cold dead place by explosions in the sky

    a single song on that album is far greater than the sum total of Prodigy's work

    Charles Kinbote on
  • bongibongi regular
    edited August 2009
    Tabasco wrote: »
    Tabasco wrote: »
    I really can't see how free will can exist. I do believe that humans are all just animals with no souls as well, so it's a pretty easy belief to have.

    so you are sixteen

    That's silly. When I was 16, most people I knew were religious and believed in souls. When you are younger, you are more inclined to believe in imaginary things as far as I can tell.

    no I am fairly certain that most adolescents these days go through a period of "we're just animals and biology is my religion" before they begin to find deeper meaning later in life

    yes, little kids are more likely to believe in imaginary things, but most hardcore atheists I know are teenagers

    although I will grant that things were probably the other way around forty years ago
    how delightfully arrogant of you to suppose that hardcore atheists are missing a 'deeper meaning'

    bongi on
  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    #pipe wrote: »
    oh my Explosions in the Sky

    Shank you get +5 music points

    I'm gonna spend them on a fancy tie!

    Charles Kinbote on
  • Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis God is love Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Tabasco wrote: »
    Tabasco wrote: »
    I really can't see how free will can exist. I do believe that humans are all just animals with no souls as well, so it's a pretty easy belief to have.

    so you are sixteen

    That's silly. When I was 16, most people I knew were religious and believed in souls. When you are younger, you are more inclined to believe in imaginary things as far as I can tell.
    yes but as you get older you also tend to mature and become self aware and are capable of seeing things as others view them

    do you see what i mean

    Mr. Henry Bemis on
    Nothing is true; Everything is permitted
  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    bongi wrote: »
    Tabasco wrote: »
    Tabasco wrote: »
    I really can't see how free will can exist. I do believe that humans are all just animals with no souls as well, so it's a pretty easy belief to have.

    so you are sixteen

    That's silly. When I was 16, most people I knew were religious and believed in souls. When you are younger, you are more inclined to believe in imaginary things as far as I can tell.

    no I am fairly certain that most adolescents these days go through a period of "we're just animals and biology is my religion" before they begin to find deeper meaning later in life

    yes, little kids are more likely to believe in imaginary things, but most hardcore atheists I know are teenagers

    although I will grant that things were probably the other way around forty years ago
    how delightfully arrogant of you to suppose that hardcore atheists are missing a 'deeper meaning'

    well I guess I mean the kinds of atheists who are like "fuck religion/spirituality is retarded and we're all just chemical processes and science is as deep as anything gets"

    the guys who are really vitriolic about their atheism

    that did sound pretty arrogant, I'm sorry :[

    Charles Kinbote on
  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Shank, EitS is amazing and all, but I think it's pointless trying to argue that point against someone else's musical tastes.

    Tweaked_Bat_ on
  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
  • bongibongi regular
    edited August 2009
    bongi wrote: »
    Tabasco wrote: »
    Tabasco wrote: »
    I really can't see how free will can exist. I do believe that humans are all just animals with no souls as well, so it's a pretty easy belief to have.

    so you are sixteen

    That's silly. When I was 16, most people I knew were religious and believed in souls. When you are younger, you are more inclined to believe in imaginary things as far as I can tell.

    no I am fairly certain that most adolescents these days go through a period of "we're just animals and biology is my religion" before they begin to find deeper meaning later in life

    yes, little kids are more likely to believe in imaginary things, but most hardcore atheists I know are teenagers

    although I will grant that things were probably the other way around forty years ago
    how delightfully arrogant of you to suppose that hardcore atheists are missing a 'deeper meaning'

    well I guess I mean the kinds of atheists who are like "fuck religion/spirituality is retarded and we're all just chemical processes and science is as deep as anything gets"

    the guys who are really vitriolic about their atheism

    that did sound pretty arrogant, I'm sorry :[
    you don't really mean they're missing a deeper meaning at all

    you mean that they're being brash

    bongi on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2009
    Shank, EitS is amazing and all, but I think it's pointless trying to argue that point against someone else's musical tastes.

    Look

    This is me

    I am the guy who enjoyed making fun of post-rock and was like what the fuck is this shit literally six months ago

    How Strange, Innocence, is in my top five albums right now

    Me Too! on
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