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Alan Turing Finally Gets His Apology
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Gordon Brown: I'm proud to say sorry to a real war hero
For those of you who don't know, Alan Turing was one of the most brilliant mathematicians of the 20th century. He is responsible for breaking the ENIGMA cipher and also for the foundation of computer science. His impact on modern society is utterly pervasive; even if you've never heard of him, the fact that you're reading these boards means you are touched by his achievements.
Unfortunately, Alan Turing was gay in a time where homosexuality was considered a mental illness. He was outed, which ended his career, and underwent chemical castration. Two years later, Alan Turing suffering from depression from his treatment at he hands of he British government, consumed half of a cyanide laced apple, killing himself.
Only now has the UK government apologised for what they did to him. Alan, you deserved far better. Rest in peace.
This has been a year of deep reflection – a chance for Britain, as a nation, to commemorate the profound debts we owe to those who came before. A unique combination of anniversaries and events have stirred in us that sense of pride and gratitude that characterise the British experience. Earlier this year, I stood with Presidents Sarkozy and Obama to honour the service and the sacrifice of the heroes who stormed the beaches of Normandy 65 years ago. And just last week, we marked the 70 years which have passed since the British government declared its willingness to take up arms against fascism and declared the outbreak of the Second World War.
So I am both pleased and proud that, thanks to a coalition of computer scientists, historians and LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) activists, we have this year a chance to mark and celebrate another contribution to Britain's fight against the darkness of dictatorship: that of code-breaker Alan Turing.
Turing was a quite brilliant mathematician, most famous for his work on breaking the German Enigma codes. It is no exaggeration to say that, without his outstanding contribution, the history of the Second World War could have been very different. He truly was one of those individuals we can point to whose unique contribution helped to turn the tide of war. The debt of gratitude he is owed makes it all the more horrifying, therefore, that he was treated so inhumanely.
In 1952, he was convicted of "gross indecency" – in effect, tried for being gay. His sentence – and he was faced with the miserable choice of this or prison – was chemical castration by a series of injections of female hormones. He took his own life just two years later.
Thousands of people have come together to demand justice for Alan Turing and recognition of the appalling way he was treated. While Turing was dealt with under the law of the time, and we can't put the clock back, his treatment was of course utterly unfair, and I am pleased to have the chance to say how deeply sorry I and we all are for what happened to him. Alan and the many thousands of other gay men who were convicted, as he was convicted, under homophobic laws, were treated terribly. Over the years, millions more lived in fear in conviction. I am proud that those days are gone and that in the past 12 years this Government has done so much to make life fairer and more equal for our LGBT community. This recognition of Alan's status as one of Britain's most famous victims of homophobia is another step towards equality, and long overdue.
But even more than that, Alan deserves recognition for his contribution to humankind. For those of us born after 1945, into a Europe which is united, democratic and at peace, it is hard to imagine that our continent was once the theatre of mankind's darkest hour. It is difficult to believe that in living memory, people could become so consumed by hate – by anti-Semitism, by homophobia, by xenophobia and other murderous prejudices – that the gas chambers and crematoria became a piece of the European landscape as surely as the galleries and universities and concert halls which had marked out the European civilisation for hundreds of years.
It is thanks to men and women who were totally committed to fighting fascism, people like Alan Turing, that the horrors of the Holocaust and of total war are part of Europe's history and not Europe's present. So on behalf of the British government, and all those who live freely thanks to Alan's work, I am very proud to say: we're sorry. You deserved so much better.
For those of you who don't know, Alan Turing was one of the most brilliant mathematicians of the 20th century. He is responsible for breaking the ENIGMA cipher and also for the foundation of computer science. His impact on modern society is utterly pervasive; even if you've never heard of him, the fact that you're reading these boards means you are touched by his achievements.
Unfortunately, Alan Turing was gay in a time where homosexuality was considered a mental illness. He was outed, which ended his career, and underwent chemical castration. Two years later, Alan Turing suffering from depression from his treatment at he hands of he British government, consumed half of a cyanide laced apple, killing himself.
Only now has the UK government apologised for what they did to him. Alan, you deserved far better. Rest in peace.
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Alan you deserved a lot better, you should have been greek!
I was aware.
The apology fails to impress though.
what would you have preferred?
No apology will give him what he deserved, which was a long healthy life being able to be himself. However, it's good that the British government is at least saying that they fucked up. Without that admission, the UK remained doomed to the ignorance of the wrongness of their actions.
I would have preferred a resurrection machine so the apology could be delivered in person, but I guess this will have to do.
Something a few decades earlier, and not from a government on its way out.
It has to be said, no one deserves that fate, least of all someone who contributed so much.
i think the implication is that its a bit too late
guys dead
did he have any relatives who are alive? they at least would give this some meaning. otherwise it's a collective feel good.
What a neat bit of history.
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Hell of a way to go, though. Makes Socrates look like a chump.
And how I am a machine.
I love you, daddy Alan!
This is actually a misconception; there have been a number of formal apologies
Agreed.
seriously? I heard like a year ago on the radio about comfort women campaigning for it
EDIT: Dang I am totally wrong about this. I must have misunderstood the piece. They set up a fund and everything. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women#Asia_Women.27s_Fund
Hey, you have the exact same sig I used for like two years
high five
Seriously.
Most of those campaigns center around having the current Japanese government admit legal liability and provide monetary compensation. This becomes controversial because it's not clear that a Democracy should be held legally liable for the actions of a defeated Empire they replaced, nor whom at this point should be paid what. Nevertheless the Japanese government run "Asia Women's Fund" provides aid and a formal written apology to surviving comfort women.
This is all offtopic though
He would like to apologize for your inconvenience.
Weren't they volunteers?
As much as the Jews were volunteers at the time?
As to the topic:
/salute
Of course it's way too little and way too late... but it's never too late to symbolically own up to some absolutely heinous bullshit.
Maybe that's too much though.
EDIT: turns out he already had another statue in Manchester, where he died, unveiled in 2001. He's even portrayed holding an apple, a pretty good in-your-face reminder of what happened to him, rather than a polite and sanitised memorial.
Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully
get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully
get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
That's an understatement. They were raped repeatedly by the armed forces of an occupying power.
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Agreed I'll admit prior to Kakos's thread I did not know anything of this man.