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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Sith, while being the best of the prequels, pales in comparison to Jedi. Sith is probably the best example of the prequel trilogy's missed potential. Lucas COULD have redeemed himself with it. The story practically wrote itself, but you STILL end up with stupid stuff like "death from a broken heart" and more plot holes with the original trilogy (and some horrible things shoehorned in to avoid/fix plot holes).

    I'd rank them 5, 4, 6, 3, 1, 2. There are no redeeming factors for 2. I like the intro on Episode 1 (on board the trade federation ship) and the final duel, at least. And Liam Neeson.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    return of the jedi was the best star wars movie hands down.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I don't like the Jedi, as a matter of principle.
    Spoiler:

    I don't really like Return of the Jedi either (Empire fan here).

    That being said, I think it's better than Revenge of the Sith, even with all the Jedi getting whacked. If only because they skirt around the fact that the writing and acting comes off so badly in RotS, with only a few exceptions.

    Plus, "she died of a broken heart". Good lord. That's even worse than having the Emperor barbecue his face in 5 minutes, rather than having him age stressfully over 20 years like every other long-standing dictator.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    ONLY A SITH THINKS IN ABSOLUTES

    I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND WHICH APPARENTLY MEANS SOMETHING EVEN WHEN WE CAN BOTH JUMP 30 FEET

    come on Sith was retarded

  • AtomikaAtomika (citation needed)Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The biggest faults against any of the Prequel films is twofold:

    One, Lucas can't direct actors to save his life, as given by not only how many award-winning actors come off as wooden and incompetent in his films, but also how many other talented actors have no qualms in trashing him after working with him (see: Terrence Stamp, John Hurt, et al). This was not as evident in the original trilogy due to the combined works of Gary Kurtz, Irvin Kershner, Lawrence Kasdan, and (modestly) Richard Marquand, who brought their own skill set onboard to compensate for Lucas' lack of filmmaking talent. The Prequels, unfortunately, were solely the product of George Unfiltered.

    Two, the stories of each prequel movie is functionally broken. None of them, on even brief examination, make any sense. They are full of holes, and entire plotlines serve only to separate characters or put into motion other senseless things. Nowhere is this worse than in Episode II, with Obi-Wan off on a quest that finds nothing out and Anakin acting creepy as hell on Naboo.


    Those two things, in conjunction, are what ruin the prequels. You have uncharismatic actors saying poorly-writ and meaningless dialogue, performing tasks that don't have any urgency or demand, and plots that are barely even perfunctory to the events that unfold within them. It's like the entirety of the prequels are little more than a six-hour test footage reel for Lucas to show off to get funding for other movies (which he's not making, btw, no matter what he says, nor does he need the funding).

    But then again, it's not really Lucas' fault. I don't think anyone cares less about Star Wars than Lucas, and that's okay. He doesn't now, and likely didn't ever, want to be a filmmaker. If he did, he'd try to make better films and make them more often, as he's certainly got the clout and money to do so. But he's a guy that didn't write or direct anything for over sixteen years, but did start up several tech divisions like THX, Skywalker Sound, Pixar, and ILM. So really, it's our fault for expecting the Star Wars Prequels to be good films, as upon cursory examination we had little evidence or precedent for jumping to that conclusion.

  • projectmayhemprojectmayhem Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    return of the jedi was the best star wars movie hands down.

    I thought I was the only one, hi5.

  • darthmixdarthmix Registered User
    edited September 2009
    I guess it kind of pisses me off that Lucas has said he'll never allow anyone else to make a Star Wars movie, since it's "his thing." This puts me in the morally questionable position of having to look forward to his death, at which time I expect the invisible hand to take over and hopefully deliver the property into the care of better filmmakers.

  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Both people can jump 30 feet in the air, ie they cancel each other out.

    At some point, it's going to stop being about how far you can jump and what will let you kill the guy with least risk.

    Which is smaller, controlled jumps.

    I don't see what is so goddam hard about "Your thinking is a bit too black and white for my comfort mate" and "I've known you for a long time dude and you wont win in this position. Please don't do this, I don't want to hurt you!"

    Anakin even replies with "Fuck you bitch I'm better than you"

    This is really simple stuff.

    Talk about overanalysis.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Really if the prequel trilogy had had more badass space-dogfighting scenes I think I might give a shit about it.

    It needed space-dogfighting and a Han Solo-esque character pretty badly. Fuck, show me Talon Karrde just starting out! Something!

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    And? I don't know why that matters, honestly. They represent Jedi, and Jedi represent good guys. Again it's not that complicated. The strength of the scene comes in the music, the visuals, the editing. The destruction of Alderaan was affecting, and you didn't know any of those people, either. I knew maybe 3 riders of Rohan and when they were getting hacked up in Lord of the Rings, the scene wasn't any less effective because the people dying weren't fleshed out characters.

    Except that the Jedi are dicks.

    Yes, yes they are.
    Spoiler:

    Okay, now I'm off topic....

    EDIT: Top'ted. Darn.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • AtomikaAtomika (citation needed)Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    darthmix wrote: »
    I guess it kind of pisses me off that Lucas has said he'll never allow anyone else to make a Star Wars movie, since it's "his thing." This puts me in the morally questionable position of having to look forward to his death, at which time I expect the invisible hand to take over and hopefully deliver the property into the care of better filmmakers.

    I guess if I only have one beef with Lucas', it's his protection of this cashcow he doesn't care about artistically. It's almost like the parent of a star athlete who beats the child every time they need a new car.

    The brand is safe, guy. Let someone else drive for a little while.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    darthmix wrote: »
    I guess it kind of pisses me off that Lucas has said he'll never allow anyone else to make a Star Wars movie, since it's "his thing." This puts me in the morally questionable position of having to look forward to his death, at which time I expect the invisible hand to take over and hopefully deliver the property into the care of better filmmakers.

    I guess if I only have one beef with Lucas', it's his protection of this cashcow he doesn't care about artistically. It's almost like the parent of a star athlete who beats the child every time they need a new car.

    The brand is safe, guy. Let someone else drive for a little while.

    I wonder who you'd get to direct though.

    I mean, there are lots of better directors. But Star Wars is...weird...maybe I'm just too unfamiliar with directors.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • AtomikaAtomika (citation needed)Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Han Solo-esque character

    Which, honestly, could have been filled by any of the male protagonists (Kenobi, Skywalker, Organa), but isn't. Instead, everyone, everyone, is just completely fucking grim the whole time. Or Jar Jar.

    I just finished a marathon session of HBO's Rome, and what an amazing show. It's completely grim and people die violently left and right, but there's always room for some nice black humor from Pullo or Vorenus that has me rolling.

    It's hard to maintain a constant tone of gravity, and even more so when the plot is utterly meaningless.

  • flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Everyone in the prequels talks like they're in a British business meeting. No one has any life to them whatsoever. There's not a single memorable character in any of the three movies. For Christ's sake, even SAMUEL JACKSON and CHRISTOPHER LEE are boring as shit.

  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    None of the prequels hold a fucking candle to any of the original movies. Anyone who says Jedi is worse than Sith needs to watch them again.

    It pisses me off too, because those movies could and should have been really good, but Lucas insisted on taking the helm and he can't write, direct, or edit a movie for shit. It is entirely his fault - he knew when he made the original movies that he should have other people write and direct them; I'm not sure why he didn't do so this time.

    No director on Earth would have turned down the opportunity to direct one of those movies.

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  • AtomikaAtomika (citation needed)Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I wonder who you'd get to direct though.

    Well, Spielberg and Darabont are the easy choices, as both worked extensively with Lucas in the past, and, you know, Lucas all but told the two of them he'd let them direct the Prequels and then reneged.

    In that same line of thought, Francis Coppola share's much of Lucas' drive, considering he was Lucas' mentor in the early seventies.

    But more modern guys? I'd gladly see Ridley Scott or Peter Weir approach a Star Wars film, as both know how to infuse epic material with intimacy. Pete Jackson wouldn't be terrible, but a bit on-the-nose, perhaps.

  • darthmixdarthmix Registered User
    edited September 2009
    Synthesis wrote: »
    darthmix wrote: »
    I guess it kind of pisses me off that Lucas has said he'll never allow anyone else to make a Star Wars movie, since it's "his thing." This puts me in the morally questionable position of having to look forward to his death, at which time I expect the invisible hand to take over and hopefully deliver the property into the care of better filmmakers.

    I guess if I only have one beef with Lucas', it's his protection of this cashcow he doesn't care about artistically. It's almost like the parent of a star athlete who beats the child every time they need a new car.

    The brand is safe, guy. Let someone else drive for a little while.

    I wonder who you'd get to direct though.

    I mean, there are lots of better directors. But Star Wars is...weird...maybe I'm just too unfamiliar with directors.
    Is Irvin Kershner still alive? We could give him another crack at it.

    But seriously, these days studios seem to have pretty good luck giving these big movies with built-in fanbases to up-and-coming directors who've made smart indie films but never anything on this scale. So, maybe you do that. Give it to somebody who's talented and young and hungry and eager to prove himself.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    darthmix wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    darthmix wrote: »
    I guess it kind of pisses me off that Lucas has said he'll never allow anyone else to make a Star Wars movie, since it's "his thing." This puts me in the morally questionable position of having to look forward to his death, at which time I expect the invisible hand to take over and hopefully deliver the property into the care of better filmmakers.

    I guess if I only have one beef with Lucas', it's his protection of this cashcow he doesn't care about artistically. It's almost like the parent of a star athlete who beats the child every time they need a new car.

    The brand is safe, guy. Let someone else drive for a little while.

    I wonder who you'd get to direct though.

    I mean, there are lots of better directors. But Star Wars is...weird...maybe I'm just too unfamiliar with directors.
    Is Irvin Kershner still alive? We could give him another crack at it.

    But seriously, these days studios seem to have pretty good luck giving these big movies with built-in fanbases to up-and-coming directors who've made smart indie films but never anything on this scale. So, maybe you do that. Give it to somebody who's talented and young and hungry and eager to prove himself.

    It's bad luck to say this, but even then, "it'd be hard to do much worse".

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    darthmix wrote: »
    But seriously, these days studios seem to have pretty good luck giving these big movies with built-in fanbases to up-and-coming directors who've made smart indie films but never anything on this scale. So, maybe you do that. Give it to somebody who's talented and young and hungry and eager to prove himself.

    Oh god, imagine a Neill Blomkamp Star Wars.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    darthmix wrote: »
    But seriously, these days studios seem to have pretty good luck giving these big movies with built-in fanbases to up-and-coming directors who've made smart indie films but never anything on this scale. So, maybe you do that. Give it to somebody who's talented and young and hungry and eager to prove himself.

    Oh god, imagine a Neill Blomkamp Star Wars.

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    It could be worse.

    Michael Bay Star Wars.

    Actually, I can't even phantom that, so I'm not sure if it would be better or worse?

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Synthesis wrote: »
    darthmix wrote: »
    But seriously, these days studios seem to have pretty good luck giving these big movies with built-in fanbases to up-and-coming directors who've made smart indie films but never anything on this scale. So, maybe you do that. Give it to somebody who's talented and young and hungry and eager to prove himself.

    Oh god, imagine a Neill Blomkamp Star Wars.

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    It could be worse.

    Michael Bay Star Wars.

    Actually, I can't even phantom that, so I'm not sure if it would be better or worse?

    The Star Destroyers would have truck nutz. Also, Jar Jar Binks would be in every movie.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    darthmix wrote: »
    But seriously, these days studios seem to have pretty good luck giving these big movies with built-in fanbases to up-and-coming directors who've made smart indie films but never anything on this scale. So, maybe you do that. Give it to somebody who's talented and young and hungry and eager to prove himself.

    Oh god, imagine a Neill Blomkamp Star Wars.

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    It could be worse.

    Michael Bay Star Wars.

    Actually, I can't even phantom that, so I'm not sure if it would be better or worse?

    The Star Destroyers would have truck nutz. Also, Jar Jar Binks would be in every movie.

    Okay, so worse. Peter Jackson it is.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • WashWash Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    return of the jedi was the best star wars movie hands down.

    I thought I was the only one, hi5.

    Yes! We should start a club.

    Also, my biggest problem with the 1-3, aside from how terrible the dialogue and the acting is, is the dependence on CGI. With 1 it wasn't so bad - there were a lot of scenes that needed to be done green-screen but the ones that could do without it didn't have it. By 3, almost the entire movie was CGI, even when it wasn't necessary. The aliens didn't come across the same either for me, being used to the puppets from the original trilogy.

    Even the lightsaber duels suffered for it. Darth Maul had the naturally acrobatic Ray Park jumping around, but by 2 you have CGI Yoda bouncing off walls, and in 3 you've got Anakin and Obi Wan tearing apart a mining station on some lava planet. The fights became as ridiculous as Final Fantasy Advent Children's.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    darthmix wrote: »
    But seriously, these days studios seem to have pretty good luck giving these big movies with built-in fanbases to up-and-coming directors who've made smart indie films but never anything on this scale. So, maybe you do that. Give it to somebody who's talented and young and hungry and eager to prove himself.

    Oh god, imagine a Neill Blomkamp Star Wars.

    fp__homer_drool.jpg

    It could be worse.

    Michael Bay Star Wars.

    Actually, I can't even phantom that, so I'm not sure if it would be better or worse?

    The Star Destroyers would have truck nutz. Also, Jar Jar Binks would be in every movie.

    Okay, so worse. Peter Jackson it is.

    I'd rather have Bay. With Jackson every movie in the series would be 14 hours long.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    darthmix wrote: »
    But seriously, these days studios seem to have pretty good luck giving these big movies with built-in fanbases to up-and-coming directors who've made smart indie films but never anything on this scale. So, maybe you do that. Give it to somebody who's talented and young and hungry and eager to prove himself.

    Oh god, imagine a Neill Blomkamp Star Wars.

    fp__homer_drool.jpg

    It could be worse.

    Michael Bay Star Wars.

    Actually, I can't even phantom that, so I'm not sure if it would be better or worse?

    The Star Destroyers would have truck nutz. Also, Jar Jar Binks would be in every movie.

    Okay, so worse. Peter Jackson it is.

    I'd rather have Bay. With Jackson every movie in the series would be 14 hours long.

    I can walk out of a long movie. I can't walk out of Jar Jar Binks and a Corellian Corvette with truck nuts and some sort of anachronistic flag painted on the back. Not before the damage has been done.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited September 2009

    Even the lightsaber duels suffered for it. Darth Maul had the naturally acrobatic Ray Park jumping around, but by 2 you have CGI Yoda bouncing off walls, and in 3 you've got Anakin and Obi Wan tearing apart a mining station on some lava planet. The fights became as ridiculous as Final Fantasy Advent Children's.

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    Prequel Trilogy: The Force lets you throw platforms around with telekinesis.
    Tartakovsky's Clone Wars: The Force lets you super jump, run on walls and dismantle droids with telekinesis.
    The Force Unleashed: The Force lets you drag down Star Destroyers ZOMGWTFUX.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS
    edited September 2009
    they should just make KOTOR 2 into a movie. Or take the story and focus solely on Kreia. It would be good.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »

    Even the lightsaber duels suffered for it. Darth Maul had the naturally acrobatic Ray Park jumping around, but by 2 you have CGI Yoda bouncing off walls, and in 3 you've got Anakin and Obi Wan tearing apart a mining station on some lava planet. The fights became as ridiculous as Final Fantasy Advent Children's.

    GREATEST FORCE-RELATED EXPLOITS
    Original Trilogy: The Force lets you pull your lightsaber with telekinesis.
    Prequel Trilogy: The Force lets you throw platforms around with telekinesis.
    Tartakovsky's Clone Wars: The Force lets you super jump and run on walls.
    The Force Unleashed: The Force lets you drag down Star Destroyers ZOMGWTFUX.

    Yeah. I hated those.
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    they should just make KOTOR 2 into a movie. Or take the story and focus solely on Kreia. It would be good.

    Only if they included an ending.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I've actually started writing down ideas for remaking Star Wars. Because I'm an arrogant shit like that. (I am one of those people who believe that anyone could have written a better Episode I. And most people could have written a better prequel trilogy entirely.) That being said, I'd welcome a remake...if I trusted the people in charge.

    I think what happened with the prequels is a little thing a certain over-cited website calls Protection From Editors. He was bankrolling the whole thing, so he could yea or nay everything. On top of the fact that it was his own story and he wasn't beholden to anyone anyway (unlike Peter Jackson, who was a. working with a beloved piece of fantasy and b. not using his own cash), that's a bad combination. Everyone can use constructive criticism.

  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    tsmvengy wrote: »
    None of the prequels hold a fucking candle to any of the original movies. Anyone who says Jedi is worse than Sith needs to watch them again.
    The new version of Jedi has that absolutely unbearably musical scene in Jabba's palace and that's as awful or worse than anything in Sith.

  • ProPatriaMoriProPatriaMori Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    tsmvengy wrote: »
    None of the prequels hold a fucking candle to any of the original movies. Anyone who says Jedi is worse than Sith needs to watch them again.
    The new version of Jedi has that absolutely unbearably musical scene in Jabba's palace and that's as awful or worse than anything in Sith.

    Of course the new versions are awful. They don't count.

    Wait, no! I KNOW WHAT THIS MOVIE NEEDS. CG FLY BYS!

  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    tsmvengy wrote: »
    None of the prequels hold a fucking candle to any of the original movies. Anyone who says Jedi is worse than Sith needs to watch them again.
    The new version of Jedi has that absolutely unbearably musical scene in Jabba's palace and that's as awful or worse than anything in Sith.

    Of course the new versions are awful. They don't count.

    Wait, no! I KNOW WHAT THIS MOVIE NEEDS. CG FLY BYS!

    Now, now, there are some things I like about the special editions.

    And some unforgivable sins that the above things don't nearly make up for.

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  • FallingmanFallingman Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I'm throwing my hat in for Jedi beating Sith hands down.

    Jedi had character... I enjoy Sith as the best of the prequels, but all it did was not fuck things up too bad. And maybe it was my age when I first watched them, but the ewoks dont annoy me.

    You know what angers me? Flying R2.

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  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Revenge of the Sith is a better movie than Return of the Jedi.

    Define "better".

    Because your definition of "better" is atrociously incorrect.

  • DozingDragonDozingDragon Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Let me state a simple point, if George Lucas had stuck with wookiees on Endor instead of ewoks, we would not be having this discussion at all.

    Seriously, that man must have a midget fetish or something.

  • InHumanInHuman Registered User
    edited September 2009
    Can we all agree that the Clone Wars was above and beyond the biggest steam of shit from the series?

    Variable wrote: »

    you're coming off like a massive dick here
  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    InHuman wrote: »
    Can we all agree that the Clone Wars was above and beyond the biggest steam of shit from the series?

    I seriously thought it was an ad for a video game for about thirty seconds the first time I saw the trailer in theaters. This is not to denigrate video game stories (PS:T 4 lyfe), but that opening bit with, "Kidnapped, Jabba the Hutt's son has been" was like something out of a bad mission briefing.

    Which, I suppose, it was.

  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    InHuman wrote: »
    Can we all agree that the Clone Wars was above and beyond the biggest steam of shit from the series?

    I dunno...have you seen the Christmas special?

  • SpectreSpectre Registered User
    edited September 2009
    The animated Clone Wars miniseries by the Samurai Jack guy was pretty good...

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Do you really want me to break down all the retarded shit in Return of the Jedi? C'mon. I'm not saying that they're great movies. I'm just saying that Revenge of the Sith is a better piece of filmmaking than Return of the Jedi is.

    This is straight up the most retarded thing anyone has said in this thread or any other
    And this is coming from the dude with the "rape isn't painful" sig.

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