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Gitmo's days are numbered, but exactly how close we are to an end to a national embarrassment is hard to say. What challenges are facing our government in closing this facility?
The first one that pops into my mind is the prison culture we have in America, if we're shipping those prisoners here to be detained. I'm certain that shipping them in with the general populace of maximum security inmates is a death sentence. So, special precautions would have to be taken. They'd have to remain out of general and have added security, etc. I don't see that going over well with conservative types. Even myself, as a moderate liberal, I think that would be a bit much. However, you've got 220 prisoners now to account for, and if they each to a different facility then MAYBE it would possible (if a pain in the ass) to do this. I don't see it possible if they're all sent to the same prison. I see most of them dying.
Another possibility is that some die, while others thrive. There's a not insignificant portion of inmates who are part of the black muslim movement. I wonder how that would give a charismatic muslim terrorist potential influence and power, in and out of prison?
And lastly, what if there simply isn't enough evidence to convict? Are we ready to accept the losses of American lives if we DO release terrorists (whether they were or not before they got there. I know with some of the shit that went down I'd be harboring some anti-American sentiment myself.) back into a warzone?
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And lastly, what if there simply isn't enough evidence to convict? Are we ready to accept the losses of American lives if we DO release terrorists (whether they were or not before they got there. I know with some of the shit that went down I'd be harboring some anti-American sentiment myself.) back into a warzone?
Fuck, this part of your post is scary. You'd really be okay with imprisoning people forever because we arrested them without sufficient evidence and then tortured them?
There are several communities that are lobbing to have the entire population moved to where they are, where a special facility would be built just for them. This would keep them away from not only general populations, but other prisons entirely, and provide a robust job opportunity for these communities.
As for the possibility of us not having enough evidence... Well, we're a country of laws. We follow those laws, or they're not worth respecting. If we don't have enough evidence to convict, then we try with what we do have, and if they go free, so be it. We live with the consequences of our actions, and letting our country act like tyrants locking people away forever without trial is going to have some pretty big consequences.
And lastly, what if there simply isn't enough evidence to convict? Are we ready to accept the losses of American lives if we DO release terrorists (whether they were or not before they got there. I know with some of the shit that went down I'd be harboring some anti-American sentiment myself.) back into a warzone?
Fuck, this part of your post is scary. You'd really be okay with imprisoning people forever because we arrested them without sufficient evidence and then tortured them?
Me personally? No. Also it's important to note that I doubt any torturing (or waterboarding, if you differentiate the terms) is going on at Gitmo currently. What I'm saying is that the risk is real. How do we deal with it?
"The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us."
Spoiler:
"This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in."
"There is not a man of us who does not at times need a helping hand to be stretched out to him, and then shame upon him who will not stretch out the helping hand to his brother."
And lastly, what if there simply isn't enough evidence to convict? Are we ready to accept the losses of American lives if we DO release terrorists (whether they were or not before they got there. I know with some of the shit that went down I'd be harboring some anti-American sentiment myself.) back into a warzone?
Fuck, this part of your post is scary. You'd really be okay with imprisoning people forever because we arrested them without sufficient evidence and then tortured them?
The alternative, right or wrong, is the possibility that some of these innocent men relate the story or a story of their imprisonment 'in America' and become living martyrs. I don't know how well known it is, but people are semi-regularly released from prison for crimes they were wrongly convicted of. Some people may end up in prison when they should not, and we're ok with this as a society. As horrible as it sounds, I don't think too many people will lose sleep over these men, unless they photograph well.
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If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
And lastly, what if there simply isn't enough evidence to convict? Are we ready to accept the losses of American lives if we DO release terrorists (whether they were or not before they got there. I know with some of the shit that went down I'd be harboring some anti-American sentiment myself.) back into a warzone?
Fuck, this part of your post is scary. You'd really be okay with imprisoning people forever because we arrested them without sufficient evidence and then tortured them?
Me personally? No. Also it's important to note that I doubt any torturing (or waterboarding, if you differentiate the terms) is going on at Gitmo currently. What I'm saying is that the risk is real. How do we deal with it?
It's a pretty big decision to become a terrorist. I'd say there's an extremely high risk of falsely-detained people harboring anti-American sentiment for the rest of their lives and railing against the country whenever they can, but that's a far cry from detonating fertilizer bombs in civilian areas.
What I'm saying is that the risk is real. How do we deal with it?
The same way we do with the rest of our suspected criminals. Accept that the system isn't perfect.
Also presumably return them to their country of origin, since they aren't american citizens
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My favorite ruckus from when this came up was states declaring they didn't want to take people from Gitmo into their prisons. As if the Gitmo prisoners were super villains that would break out and blow up the local government.
My favorite ruckus from when this came up was states declaring they didn't want to take people from Gitmo into their prisons. As if the Gitmo prisoners were super villains that would break out and blow up the local government.
Was that the actual reason, or was it for something more benign such as "they'd need protective custody".
Cancer is when cells stop letting the body mooch off their hard work - clearly a community of like-minded cells should isolate themselves and do the best job each can do, even if the rest of the body collapses!
My favorite ruckus from when this came up was states declaring they didn't want to take people from Gitmo into their prisons. As if the Gitmo prisoners were super villains that would break out and blow up the local government.
Was that the actual reason, or was it for something more benign such as "they'd need protective custody".
You mean protection from other prisoners? It makes more sense.
My favorite ruckus from when this came up was states declaring they didn't want to take people from Gitmo into their prisons. As if the Gitmo prisoners were super villains that would break out and blow up the local government.
Was that the actual reason, or was it for something more benign such as "they'd need protective custody".
You mean protection from other prisoners? It makes more sense.
The phrase "stealth jihad" gets thrown around a lot these days.
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As for the possibility of us not having enough evidence... Well, we're a country of laws. We follow those laws, or they're not worth respecting. If we don't have enough evidence to convict, then we try with what we do have, and if they go free, so be it. We live with the consequences of our actions, and letting our country act like tyrants locking people away forever without trial is going to have some pretty big consequences.
Me personally? No. Also it's important to note that I doubt any torturing (or waterboarding, if you differentiate the terms) is going on at Gitmo currently. What I'm saying is that the risk is real. How do we deal with it?
"There is not a man of us who does not at times need a helping hand to be stretched out to him, and then shame upon him who will not stretch out the helping hand to his brother."
If faith is just a silent tribute, mine is just a desperate act.
The same way we do with the rest of our suspected criminals. Accept that the system isn't perfect.
It's a pretty big decision to become a terrorist. I'd say there's an extremely high risk of falsely-detained people harboring anti-American sentiment for the rest of their lives and railing against the country whenever they can, but that's a far cry from detonating fertilizer bombs in civilian areas.
Also presumably return them to their country of origin, since they aren't american citizens
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cause I've found that when they don't see you frown, they never know that you're a threat
and they don't sweat you when you came around
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Was that the actual reason, or was it for something more benign such as "they'd need protective custody".
You mean protection from other prisoners? It makes more sense.
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The phrase "stealth jihad" gets thrown around a lot these days.
If faith is just a silent tribute, mine is just a desperate act.