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Crazy [House] in the Crazy House

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  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    Yep. Conflict of interest, etc.
    Spoiler:

  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime "We're ready to believe you..." FireSideWizardRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    If someone has the ability to make some .gifs of the expressions on House's face when he promises to be quiet and is being obnoxious with the X-rays I will love you forever.

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    This neo-feudalism would be more tolerable if our betters had fancy titles.
  • Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Just finally saw this week's episode.

    I don't like how fucking obvious it was that House's script writers just saw Ramachandran's TED speech and thought they should capitalize on it. Lame.

    Otherwise, decent episode.

    That is all.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck you must go on i cant go on ill go onRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I don't like how fucking obvious it was that House's script writers just saw Ramachandran's TED speech and thought they should capitalize on it. Lame.

    I just assumed they had read Phantoms in the Brain :o

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited October 2009
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    If someone has the ability to make some .gifs of the expressions on House's face when he promises to be quiet and is being obnoxious with the X-rays I will love you forever.

    That scene was the best thing ever.

    Maddie: "I named my feet. The left one is flip and the right one is flop. Oh, and also I named my flip-flops."

    I make tweet.
  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Blakout wrote: »
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    If someone has the ability to make some .gifs of the expressions on House's face when he promises to be quiet and is being obnoxious with the X-rays I will love you forever.

    I didn't make these, but...
    Spoiler:

    no linking from this host, what amazing images.

    that's it, I'm shutting this entire forum down, everyone thank buttcleft
  • BlakoutBlakout Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Buttcleft wrote: »

    I have no idea what you're talking about... >.>

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  • Armored GorillaArmored Gorilla Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    "I'm a mad god. The Mad God, actually. It's a family title. Gets passed down from me to myself every few thousand years."
  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Yeah, so this was really good. It almost makes me regret choosing to watch HIMYM last night instead and TiVo this, but whatever.

    Concerning the ethical dilemma:
    Spoiler:

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  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Those images are the best thing ever.

  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Seeing the original team back together again made me happy.

    Now if that was all just a cock tease and they do away with Chase, I will be furious.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Dashui wrote: »
    Seeing the original team back together again made me happy.

    Now if that was all just a cock tease and they do away with Chase, I will be furious.

    Yeah, the "What is this? 3 years ago?" thing made my night.

    The ethical/moral dilemma was fantastic, and I think it was probably one of the better "stand alone" kind of episodes.

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Chase is there for good guys, I can't wait for him to come clean with House

    EDIT more thoughts
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  • Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User
    edited October 2009
    The best line was at the start of the episode.

    "My condolences. Although... it's not like she's the hottest woman in the world, or anything."

  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    On the Chase ethical question
    Spoiler:

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  • HozHoz Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Take him to civil court!

  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I think what everyone is forgetting here is that for lawyers, doctors - and hell, even fucking priests - the ethics of their profession supersede everything else. Yes, they are above personal morality. And yes, you'll lose your license (or get censured or punished or whatever) if you "do the objectively right thing" but break the vows of your profession. It's important. It's a big deal - for everyone. Every person needs to know that their lawyer will never tell any of your secrets, no matter how horrible. Anything else compromises the integrity of the profession. And if you can't handle that, you have no fucking business being a lawyer.

    Same with being a doctor.
    Spoiler:

  • DrakeonDrakeon Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    PantsB wrote: »
    On the Chase ethical question
    Spoiler:

    Spoiler:

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  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Melkster wrote: »
    I think what everyone is forgetting here is that for lawyers, doctors - and hell, even fucking priests - the ethics of their profession supersede everything else. Yes, they are above personal morality. And yes, you'll lose your license (or get censured or punished or whatever) if you "do the objectively right thing" but break the vows of your profession. It's important. It's a big deal - for everyone. Every person needs to know that their lawyer will never tell any of your secrets, no matter how horrible. Anything else compromises the integrity of the profession. And if you can't handle that, you have no fucking business being a lawyer.

    Same with being a doctor.
    Spoiler:

    no profession supersedes basic morality. You can argue that it wasn't a moral action, but you can't argue that because my job is this, that you have to act immorally. That is a ridiculous argument.

  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 a.k.a. Nubmonger/Antaeus#1352, 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion Oakland, CARegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Recoil42 wrote: »
    Just finally saw this week's episode.

    I don't like how fucking obvious it was that House's script writers just saw Ramachandran's TED speech and thought they should capitalize on it. Lame.

    Otherwise, decent episode.

    That is all.

    God forbid someone watches something else, learns from it, and decides to use it in their own work. That has, like, nothing to do with how human civilization has progressed for thousands of years.

    I was trying to find a way to say this without being sarcastic, but I haven't run across the TED presentation that teaches you how to get rid of sarcasm without being incredibly boring.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.
  • HozHoz Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Sarcasm is incredibly boring and obnoxious, but your point is a good one.

  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    NotYou wrote: »
    Melkster wrote: »
    I think what everyone is forgetting here is that for lawyers, doctors - and hell, even fucking priests - the ethics of their profession supersede everything else. Yes, they are above personal morality. And yes, you'll lose your license (or get censured or punished or whatever) if you "do the objectively right thing" but break the vows of your profession. It's important. It's a big deal - for everyone. Every person needs to know that their lawyer will never tell any of your secrets, no matter how horrible. Anything else compromises the integrity of the profession. And if you can't handle that, you have no fucking business being a lawyer.

    Same with being a doctor.
    Spoiler:

    no profession supersedes basic morality. You can argue that it wasn't a moral action, but you can't argue that because my job is this, that you have to act immorally. That is a ridiculous argument.

    Yes, yes you can. That's the point. That's why the ethics are so powerful. A priest who broke the seal of confession to turn in a murderer would get thrown out (well maybe, kinda). A lawyer who broke his confidentiality and turned in his own client would get disbarred or worse. A doctor who
    Spoiler:
    should get his license revoked and then should go to jail.

    And if you can't handle that, don't become a lawyer, priest, or doctor. Those ethical rules are there for a reason.

    There are proper channels to handle these things. Being a vigilante and breaking your professional ethical obligations - which, yes, supersede everyday "normal person" ethical obligations - is always bad.

  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Melkster wrote: »
    NotYou wrote: »
    Melkster wrote: »
    I think what everyone is forgetting here is that for lawyers, doctors - and hell, even fucking priests - the ethics of their profession supersede everything else. Yes, they are above personal morality. And yes, you'll lose your license (or get censured or punished or whatever) if you "do the objectively right thing" but break the vows of your profession. It's important. It's a big deal - for everyone. Every person needs to know that their lawyer will never tell any of your secrets, no matter how horrible. Anything else compromises the integrity of the profession. And if you can't handle that, you have no fucking business being a lawyer.

    Same with being a doctor.
    Spoiler:

    no profession supersedes basic morality. You can argue that it wasn't a moral action, but you can't argue that because my job is this, that you have to act immorally. That is a ridiculous argument.

    Yes, yes you can. That's the point. That's why the ethics are so powerful. A priest who broke the seal of confession to turn in a murderer would get thrown out (well maybe, kinda). A lawyer who broke his confidentiality and turned in his own client would get disbarred or worse. A doctor who MURDERS HIS OWN PATIENT (who is a murderer) should get his license revoked and then should go to jail.

    And if you can't handle that, don't become a lawyer, priest, or doctor. Those ethical rules are there for a reason.

    There are proper channels to handle these things. Being a vigilante and breaking your professional ethical obligations - which, yes, supersede everyday "normal person" ethical obligations - is always bad.

    What you are describing is how society punishes people who break the rules of their profession, not one ethical obligation superseding another. Ethics don't change when you get a new job.

    i'm done now. won't be back.

  • GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    a doctor who accidentally kills people is inevitable.

    a doctor who kills people on purpose? Worst. Doctor. Ever.

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  • ScrumScrum __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2009
    Why would Doctor Who even kill people in the first place...oh.

  • LasbrookLasbrook I will always find you Like it's written in the starsRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Greeper wrote: »
    a doctor who accidentally kills people is inevitable.

    a doctor who kills people on purpose? Worst. Doctor. Ever.
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    ?

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  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    It was the height of arrogance for Chase to think his actions would have a positive effect on the situation.

    He gambled with people's lives on the hopes that he'd never be found out and thus make the problem worse.

    Totally saw the whole switch between Chase/Cameron coming though.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    It seems like there's a lot of people not understanding the difference between morals and ethics here.

    Chase acted unethically, and there's really no question about that. The oath he took when he became a doctor is perfectly clear, and he violated it. The oath is of utmost importance, and his violation thereof necessitates him losing his job and (depending on how things work, I don't know) spending time in prison.

    Whether or not he acted *morally* is something we can argue about.

    I for one would argue he acted morally and did the right thing as a human being, even though he clearly did the wrong thing as a doctor. His actions cannot be tolerated in a world where we want doctors to have the ability to act as they do, so he must face punishment, even if what he did was morally right.

  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Only thing Chase did wrong is admitting anything to stupid ass Foreman who keeps giving me more reasons why I want HIM killed and signing in with his own name. At least Foreman burned the paper in the end...

    House has been watching Dexter. :P

    I too like the old team more. Hopefully they stick around. 13 can replace Foreman if they want to shake things up.

    "For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men. Not women. Not beasts...this you can trust."
  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Not sure if we're still spoilering this stuff, but just in case:
    Spoiler:

    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Jesus, people. This thread is like a running gunbattle with stupid bullets.
  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Taub, Kutner and Amber were the only really interesting people in that entire crop of crappy new doctors, and two of them are dead. Taub/Chase/Foreman battling egos with House would be some quality television, and we could get hilarious bar scenes where they're all drinking and professing sagely comments like"bitches be crazy"

  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    NotYou wrote: »
    Melkster wrote: »
    NotYou wrote: »
    Melkster wrote: »
    I think what everyone is forgetting here is that for lawyers, doctors - and hell, even fucking priests - the ethics of their profession supersede everything else. Yes, they are above personal morality. And yes, you'll lose your license (or get censured or punished or whatever) if you "do the objectively right thing" but break the vows of your profession. It's important. It's a big deal - for everyone. Every person needs to know that their lawyer will never tell any of your secrets, no matter how horrible. Anything else compromises the integrity of the profession. And if you can't handle that, you have no fucking business being a lawyer.

    Same with being a doctor.
    Spoiler:

    no profession supersedes basic morality. You can argue that it wasn't a moral action, but you can't argue that because my job is this, that you have to act immorally. That is a ridiculous argument.

    Yes, yes you can. That's the point. That's why the ethics are so powerful. A priest who broke the seal of confession to turn in a murderer would get thrown out (well maybe, kinda). A lawyer who broke his confidentiality and turned in his own client would get disbarred or worse. A doctor who MURDERS HIS OWN PATIENT (who is a murderer) should get his license revoked and then should go to jail.

    And if you can't handle that, don't become a lawyer, priest, or doctor. Those ethical rules are there for a reason.

    There are proper channels to handle these things. Being a vigilante and breaking your professional ethical obligations - which, yes, supersede everyday "normal person" ethical obligations - is always bad.

    What you are describing is how society punishes people who break the rules of their profession, not one ethical obligation superseding another. Ethics don't change when you get a new job.

    i'm done now. won't be back.

    You said "you can't argue that because my job is this, that you have to act immorally." I think I've pretty clearly illustrated that YES, you sometimes DO have to act "immorally." Priests can't turn in murderers who have confessed their sin under the seal of the confessional. Lawyers can't betray client-lawyer confidentiality, even to prevent a crime. And doctors can't betray his medical ethics and kill his patient, even in the circumstances of this TV show.

    And as a society, we have decided that this is the best way to function, as a whole. (Hence, the laws preventing vigilantism, breaking lawyer privilege, protecting religious confidentiality, and establishing medical ethics.)

  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    It seems like there's a lot of people not understanding the difference between morals and ethics here.

    Chase acted unethically, and there's really no question about that. The oath he took when he became a doctor is perfectly clear, and he violated it. The oath is of utmost importance, and his violation thereof necessitates him losing his job and (depending on how things work, I don't know) spending time in prison.

    Whether or not he acted *morally* is something we can argue about.

    I for one would argue he acted morally and did the right thing as a human being, even though he clearly did the wrong thing as a doctor. His actions cannot be tolerated in a world where we want doctors to have the ability to act as they do, so he must face punishment, even if what he did was morally right.

    One must supersede the other, though. Either the ethics of your profession or your personal morality. When push comes to shove, one wins out or the other. Though most of the time, they fall hand in hand (for doctors at least, probably not as much for criminal defense attorneys) - but on rare occasions, they don't, and one has to win.

    I think that most of us understand the difference here, it's just that some people think that, ultimately, personal morality comes first, and others (like, say, OUR LAW MAKERS) believe that professional ethics come first. I'm firmly in the professional ethics-comes-first-crowd.

  • Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Did Chase consider
    Spoiler:

    Rent wrote: »
    So that's what having no idea what you are talking about looks like
  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    Did Chase consider
    Spoiler:

    Chase doesn't think that far ahead.

  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    Did Chase consider
    Spoiler:

    Presumably, but they had a throwaway line at the end about how
    Spoiler:

    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Jesus, people. This thread is like a running gunbattle with stupid bullets.
  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Melkster wrote: »
    I think that most of us understand the difference here, it's just that some people think that, ultimately, personal morality comes first, and others (like, say, OUR LAW MAKERS) believe that professional ethics come first. I'm firmly in the professional ethics-comes-first-crowd.
    The ability to recuse one's self from a situation that provides both a moral and ethical quandary is necessary in jobs that come with an oath of ethics. It's a moral safety cord. Don't agree with something your job puts you in a position to do? You can (generally) not do it and face no negative repercussions.

    The one case where this doesn't apply is Catholic priests. They may never link a confession with the confessor, or they face automatic excommunication.
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    I'm pretty sure a lawyer can't recuse himself after a certain point in the case, right? (At least not without a legal cause, like, say, a conflict of interest(?) or something. But a lawyer can't recuse himself because he believes his client is guilty, for example.)

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited October 2009
    Melkster wrote: »
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    Did Chase consider
    Spoiler:

    Chase doesn't think that far ahead.

    No, he did.
    Spoiler:

  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    syndalis wrote: »
    Melkster wrote: »
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    Did Chase consider
    Spoiler:

    Chase doesn't think that far ahead.

    No, he did.
    Spoiler:

    Oh, I interpreted that as the rantings of an old, angry man in a hospital on the edge of death. I didn't think that his cabinet was actually weak.

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