I just think you're trolling with comments like these. Serfdom and slavery are not races. Neither are the Noble class and commoners.
Say what you will about shoes. At least he has an ethos.
I don't think he is a troll, more like outnumbered and frustrated
Thanks,
Yes I do get frustrated so I am going to kinda give a more clear meaning to what I have said.
What I mean by State Rights is in the most literal interpretation of word. I am a science guy I do not like to make thin connections between a historical even to something as literal as this. And yes I understand that State Rights during the civil war were a shell under which slavery was hidden. But this was also part of a larger picture, that included tariffs, foreign politics and a multitude of other reasons. Yes slavery was horrible, but State Rights, I believe, should not have a single reference to a relatively short period in history; considering the issue of States rights goes back to the very constitution.
This said I do believe in a strong unifying government to keep peace between states, set standards, maintain an army, have foreign relations, mail. etc. and interfere with society as little as possible. But a federal government that makes day to day intrusions into my life is too much.
I believe in a society based upon individual responsibility. This said I want to emphasis the need for true individualism. For to be an individual is to be autonomous, and to be autonomous is to be truly free. You are a being unto yourself. And my problem is that government steps in and tries to social engineer. The leading class, whomever that may be at the time, promote whatever belief system they believe to be in their best interest, they care for themselves and nothing more. This is not without exception, but the trend seems that power does corrupt. With a larger, more powerful, central government there is more concentrated power. And look at history, look at the men in power, even the idolized presidents of America. Are half these men good people? Have they really served the American people? Or was it entirely something else (sorry about the rhetorical questions)?
And the more the government steps into our lives the less room we have to grow as people. As humans we must suffer, it is our natural state. Needless suffering of course as avoidable as possible. But suffering is not a bad thing, its how we grow, and learn. And over time as we grow older we come to ourselves better. And any government that comes into my life, and make it "better", does not only scare me but it upsets me. Because this is my life, and if I fail or succeed I wish to know that it is because of me and only me. I will not let my free will be taken away. Can you not see that we as people are not the problem. We are driven against each other through class warfare, and jealousy. But really none of these things exist. Its about living your life, no matter how short or long, and most importantly to love. To love one another no matter "race, color, or creed". And if another person is bigoted, and selfish, how about we rather than than trying to force our beliefs on them, we instead lead by our example. If we all started doing this then society would gradually change of its own fruition.
Ok so i actually kept writing past here but realized it was already way to looong. So I don't know if this clarifies anything or just skews it more. But there is a great quote from CIV IV:
“I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law.”
- Aristotle
Honestly, there is so much silliness in this post that it's hard to unpack it all. You want to bring up history, fine: if you want to find exactly the society you envision, all you really need to do is go back to the turn of the 20th century and see how things worked back then.
Are you more "free" when your unregulated self works in a company town for tiny wages and no upward mobility? Are you more "free" when you can't get health care because it's not worth insuring you? Are you "free" when you're born into this situation and you have zero access to the various services that would let you rise out of terrible poverty? Are you an "autonomous individual" when the lies businesses are allowed to tell make rational decisionmaking impossible?
Your whole political position is based on a ridiculous ideal that has never existed and never will.
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Because this is my life, and if I fail or succeed I wish to know that it is because of me and only me.
You better turn off your computer right now, son. If you sell it and use the money to buy a plane ticket to somalia then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for how much success has been handed to you so far.
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it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Because this is my life, and if I fail or succeed I wish to know that it is because of me and only me.
I presume you're posting this using the DSL you built yourself from scratch using local plant fibers from the desert island you were airdropped onto alone as an infant.
That sounds as idealistic as my friends who are pro Anarchy and Communism.
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Here's what I don't get shoes
If states rights are so awesome why does my state (california) pass laws I don't like? I therefore think states' rights are terrible. But since it's been well established by you that federal government sucks (a point I totally agree with, I just can't stand how awful Obama has made this country of ours) I think we should instead focus on city rights
Maybe town rights? I dunno. All I know is is that my state is limiting freedoms and I don't like it.
What do you think man? I'm really interested in your opinions and find your thoughts intellectually stimulating, upon further review
Basically what I'm saying is I shouldn't be forced to follow laws I disagree with
I'm going to kill you because I believe laws are only there to enforce order, and I don't believe in this order. Order should be natural and if you can't defend yourself from me you don't deserve to live.
Sorta late, but I wanted to jump in and state that just using the term 'state's rights' does not automatically make you a racist, as seemed to be the common conclusion. It was used for wrong purposes, yes, but it's still an important part of the constitution.
As for an example of a non-racist example of how it can be used, I'd say the education system. Lots of libertarians want to abolish the federal department of education and leave it up to the states. A bad idea it may be, that's another debate - but it's still a non-racist use.
Basically what I'm saying is I shouldn't be forced to follow laws I disagree with
I'm going to kill you because I believe laws are only there to enforce order, and I don't believe in this order. Order should be natural and if you can't defend yourself from me you don't deserve to live.
I'm obviously not serious.
Also:
Rent is a soldier and he can/will kill you. :P
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edited October 2009
Aristotle wasn't saying he did whatever he fucking wanted. Aristotle was saying you should do good things because you should try to be a good person, not out of fear of repercussion.
Sorta late, but I wanted to jump in and state that just using the term 'state's rights' does not automatically make you a racist, as seemed to be the common conclusion. It was used for wrong purposes, yes, but it's still an important part of the constitution.
As for an example of a non-racist example of how it can be used, I'd say the education system. Lots of libertarians want to abolish the federal department of education and leave it up to the states. A bad idea it may be, that's another debate - but it's still a non-racist use.
NPR had a nice little dig at Repubs last night while mentioning the new marijuana policy.
To paraphrase, "It's odd considering that Conservatives have characteristically been the party that endorses States Rights."
I love how the kid in that comic looks like something out of a Hitler youth poster.
I also love how it makes up information regarding every pre-homosapien fossil discovered (seriously, "experts" do not believe that Lucy was a 3 foot tall man, also, what the fuck is a New Guinea man? I think Chick just made that one up).
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So let's drag this thread back onto the "Republicans have a marginal mindset". There is actually probably enough evidence within this very thread to expand the concept to Libertarians.
Don't they mean the scary, flayer like species which may or may not have existed? Like, may have existed recently and raided human towns to kill them and eat their skin?
Don't they mean the scary, flayer like species which may or may not have existed? Like, may have existed recently and raided human towns to kill them and eat their skin?
So let's drag this thread back onto the "Republicans have a marginal mindset". There is actually probably enough evidence within this very thread to expand the concept to Libertarians.
I'm only part way through reading the PDF from the OP but I'm not sure how they can say taking samples from two cities is a good representation of the republican base.
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Basically what I'm saying is I shouldn't be forced to follow laws I disagree with
I'm going to kill you because I believe laws are only there to enforce order, and I don't believe in this order. Order should be natural and if you can't defend yourself from me you don't deserve to live.
I'm obviously not serious.
Also:
Rent is a soldier and he can/will kill you. :P
I hope everyone knows that I was joking
I don't actually believe any of what I just posted
Also, I'm a nice guy I won't kill you. I swear. Honest. PeregrineFalcon can vouch for me
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So let's drag this thread back onto the "Republicans have a marginal mindset". There is actually probably enough evidence within this very thread to expand the concept to Libertarians.
No kidding. Reading the original PDF, one of my two main objections is that in the circles I run in, the people who have these persecuted feelings and think Glenn Beck is a prophet who speaks the truth in the face of opposition and feel so marginalized and forced to be politically correct and feel victimized by accusations of racism etc. absolutely do not identify as Republicans. They are not "self-identified conservative Republicans." Last week, a direct quote from a family member who fits this profile almost exactly: "I'm no Republican, and I never have been."
So let's drag this thread back onto the "Republicans have a marginal mindset". There is actually probably enough evidence within this very thread to expand the concept to Libertarians.
No kidding. Reading the original PDF, one of my two main objections is that in the circles I run in, the people who have these persecuted feelings and think Glenn Beck is a prophet who speaks the truth in the face of opposition and feel so marginalized and forced to be politically correct and feel victimized by accusations of racism etc. absolutely do not identify as Republicans. They are not "self-identified conservative Republicans." Last week, a direct quote from a family member who fits this profile almost exactly: "I'm no Republican, and I never have been."
Dude's never voted for a Democrat, either.
That's part of the point of the article, I believe. What it means to be a "Republican" is so far down the drain that we have the GOP catering to a "conservative base" even if the persons don't identify as "Republicans".
The issue is that there are tons and tons of us for whom the GOP doesn't really represent, and neither do the Democrats.
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Honestly, there is so much silliness in this post that it's hard to unpack it all. You want to bring up history, fine: if you want to find exactly the society you envision, all you really need to do is go back to the turn of the 20th century and see how things worked back then.
Are you more "free" when your unregulated self works in a company town for tiny wages and no upward mobility? Are you more "free" when you can't get health care because it's not worth insuring you? Are you "free" when you're born into this situation and you have zero access to the various services that would let you rise out of terrible poverty? Are you an "autonomous individual" when the lies businesses are allowed to tell make rational decisionmaking impossible?
Your whole political position is based on a ridiculous ideal that has never existed and never will.
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
You better turn off your computer right now, son. If you sell it and use the money to buy a plane ticket to somalia then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for how much success has been handed to you so far.
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Hobbes.
Nasty, brutish and short, got it? That is what you want.
If states rights are so awesome why does my state (california) pass laws I don't like? I therefore think states' rights are terrible. But since it's been well established by you that federal government sucks (a point I totally agree with, I just can't stand how awful Obama has made this country of ours) I think we should instead focus on city rights
Maybe town rights? I dunno. All I know is is that my state is limiting freedoms and I don't like it.
What do you think man? I'm really interested in your opinions and find your thoughts intellectually stimulating, upon further review
just lobby your state to grant city rights
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
When you account for 50%+ of the state's economy, you can do that.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Well, the city I lived in California did passed laws I didn't like too, so I don't think that's gonna answer the problem.
Perhaps town rights? Or household rights?
as a free autonomous individual in the state of california you're certainly free to lobby for that
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
I'm sure that will turn out well.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
That seems like a lot of work. How about instead I imply that Obama is destroying america because he's doing things I don't like
Yes, I think I shall do that
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Exactly
I'm going to kill you because I believe laws are only there to enforce order, and I don't believe in this order. Order should be natural and if you can't defend yourself from me you don't deserve to live.
As for an example of a non-racist example of how it can be used, I'd say the education system. Lots of libertarians want to abolish the federal department of education and leave it up to the states. A bad idea it may be, that's another debate - but it's still a non-racist use.
Also:
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
NPR had a nice little dig at Repubs last night while mentioning the new marijuana policy.
To paraphrase, "It's odd considering that Conservatives have characteristically been the party that endorses States Rights."
No that's not true, I was hoping it would spontaneously explode and delete itself by the pure energy of its wrongness.
I also love how it makes up information regarding every pre-homosapien fossil discovered (seriously, "experts" do not believe that Lucy was a 3 foot tall man, also, what the fuck is a New Guinea man? I think Chick just made that one up).
Jack Chick just comes off as mighty bitter.
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I wish I thought I was joking.
.... Now I'm curious.
It's Jack Chick. It's even more ridiculous.
Pittsburgh accounts for 48%. The remaining 2% comes mainly from Amish spiced butters and handicrafts.
I'm only part way through reading the PDF from the OP but I'm not sure how they can say taking samples from two cities is a good representation of the republican base.
I hope everyone knows that I was joking
I don't actually believe any of what I just posted
Also, I'm a nice guy I won't kill you. I swear. Honest. PeregrineFalcon can vouch for me
Because you'll kill him if he doesn't, right?
KalTorak can also vouch for me. I'm a good guy.
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No kidding. Reading the original PDF, one of my two main objections is that in the circles I run in, the people who have these persecuted feelings and think Glenn Beck is a prophet who speaks the truth in the face of opposition and feel so marginalized and forced to be politically correct and feel victimized by accusations of racism etc. absolutely do not identify as Republicans. They are not "self-identified conservative Republicans." Last week, a direct quote from a family member who fits this profile almost exactly: "I'm no Republican, and I never have been."
Dude's never voted for a Democrat, either.
That's part of the point of the article, I believe. What it means to be a "Republican" is so far down the drain that we have the GOP catering to a "conservative base" even if the persons don't identify as "Republicans".
The issue is that there are tons and tons of us for whom the GOP doesn't really represent, and neither do the Democrats.