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My marshmallow Americans, I have harglebargle [POLITICS]
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Of course not. I am not a libertarian. I believe in social capitalism. Free market with strong ethical limitations.
i like how 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' has become an unironic phrase of the right, when it initially described something physically impossible
Scarcity of resources and best allocation of skill. They get paid less because there are more people able to do that job. You get paid more because there are less people that can do what you can. Maybe the resource you bring to the table is Capital, and that has it's own value in the economy.
you mean individual capital / human capital? or private ownership?
I would never have noticed!
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Shank a dude with a sharpened stick and steal his.
but again, how did you acquire the capital... is it reasonable that someone who essentially managed to stick a flag in the ground first should get to keep said ground
if i go to the grocery store and lick a cookie does it become mine
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I'll have to save this post, right now I am studying Enviromental Econ and what the right amount of pollution is.
The answer is not none.
Also, Market Failures explain so much of this world, so sexy.
but how will i sharpen it
with my teeth
that is so unhygenic
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Ownership comes from the ability to protect an asset.
My ideal world will still have public parks, and those will have concrete pathways. To ensure fairness to all, of course. And there will be public shankers who can be enlisted to shank a dude if you're too weak, but you're obligated to compensate them later.
so if i lick the cookie and run away with it and the cops don't catch me then it's mine
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as I created the firm I decide who gets to work in it and who doesn't. I get to decide what I pay them for the labor. the workers are free to decide if they are willing to trade their labor for the I resources I offer them or not.
Labor is just another recourse that is traded.
you didn't answer any of the questions!
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As nowadays all ground and all resources worldwide belonging to someone the only, legal, way to acquire them is to purchase them of the owner.
Well thats something i also agree with.
Though i think there should be robust legal limitations to.
And some industries are too important to be left to private corporations.
But what about the moon? Taxpayer dollars paid for the first landing there. And good luck getting anyone to recognize our dominion over the moon.
the ground isn't new, it was always there and a bunch of people lived on it and got it taken away from them
it only belongs to someone now because the government says it does
what if i don't think the government has the authority to do that
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Yes, at that point you can do whatever you want with it (making the assumption that police were the last line of protection)
you heard it here first folks
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you're probably right, Pony
You get proven wrong, usually with three hots and a cot.
Then the government will use guns to take it away from you. That is kind of how it works.
Although in today's world it is getting harder to get away with taking land away from other people with guns.
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oh, but I did. labor is a recourse that got a price, just like any else. so they get paid less because that is what we agreed upon.
I get paid more because I own the resources thanks to my power to claim them and so get to decide who gets to offer me the labor and who doesn't. if a person refuses to work for the payment I offer I will find someone else who does.
I got the resources from the previous owner. who got them from the one before him. a chain thta goes back till the first person who first claimed those resources.
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right or wrong they have the might, so right or wrong they're always right
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I said ownership is the ability to protect something. How the fuck do you run with that and say I support theft?
this actually cheered me up a bit, thinking about it
i said i went to a grocery store and licked a cookie and ran away with it and you said therefore it was mine
i stole a cookie but because i didn't get caught it's ok to you
you said
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well, you can take it to the Surpreme Court but the track record of overturning eminent domain is a bit dodgy (see Kelo v. New London)
You get proven wrong that the government has that authority, it does.
In some countries might is only available through acts of Violence, in the United States there are other resources.
of course the government has a vested interest in perpetuating that kind of malfeasance
doesn't make it ethically right or a proper basis for government
ok seriously i am getting tired of being teefs, i'm done, don't touch my shit or you'll get a mouthful of hot lead
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I didn't say that it was okay with me I said that at the point you had ownership because now you could protect the asset.
But Jigrah, government authority runs from the fact that the state has the guns
violaters are punished, etc. etc.
so you don't think it's okay but you do think it creates ownership
seriously
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well, those were barbaric times. nowadays you and me luckily live in civilized nations where the state protects our property rights.
if you don't agree with the government ... well tough shit. I agree that every form of government is in a way a form of dictatorship, but a necessary one for a peaceful human society to function. at least on a large scale.
The government protects my right to own the factory. But it also does, or at least should, protect me from being exploited, or at least unbearably exploited, by setting minimum wages and regulations for sound work conditions, and protecting me from discrimination, so that the factory owner only gets to refuse my offered labor due to my level of skill and not my skin color for example.
I agree that government authority comes from the fact that it has the guns. The same powers that give it the guns also empowers it's citizens in ways that do not require violence.