[Gay Marriage]: It Hurts Jesus Real Bad

wwtMask · November 2009

I like the cut of this Lincoln fellow's jib.

Sheep · November 2009

wwtMask wrote: »

I like the cut of this Lincoln fellow's jib.

The guys a RINO.

wwtMask · November 2009

Looking up this Know-Nothing thing Lincoln was talking about, I think that it applies pretty well to conservatives like dragonsama. I think I'm going to start referring to these people by that name, since they seem so intent on reviving the spirit of the Know-Nothings.

dragonsama · November 2009

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

Tofystedeth · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed by evolution to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

Your brain was designed for thinking about things and solving problems, but you're using it to fill the void in your head, which is clearly unnatural and wrong.

SyphonBlue · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

Then why are so many animals gay, or have homosexual relationships?

or is that too much SCIENCE

enlightenedbum · November 2009

wwtMask wrote: »

Looking up this Know-Nothing thing Lincoln was talking about, I think that it applies pretty well to conservatives like dragonsama. I think I'm going to start referring to these people by that name, since they seem so intent on reviving the spirit of the Know-Nothings.

Have to love the hilarious American nativist movement. Of course, now the British have one, which is also hilarious.

dragonsama · November 2009

SyphonBlue wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

Then why are so many animals gay, or have homosexual relationships?

or is that too much SCIENCE

In the animal kingdom homosexual activity is used to show dominance. as far as humans that is a lifestyle choice.

SyphonBlue · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

SyphonBlue wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

Then why are so many animals gay, or have homosexual relationships?

or is that too much SCIENCE

In the animal kingdom homosexual activity is used to show dominance. as far as humans that is a lifestyle choice.

But their penises were designed to deliver sperm to an egg! Not to show dominance!

Kastanj · November 2009

"And yes I to base this on the Bible"

I also base my decisions on the bible. Which is why I would not intervene if my country were to invade yours and make your family slaves.

"The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural."

Banning blowjobs is niche politics dude.

Qingu · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

Actually I'm perfectly content to stick with the Bible.

So, do you think it's okay for a man to marry a 12-year-old girl that he has just raped, provided he pays for her? As per Deuteronomy 22:28? You never answered the question.

mrdobalina · November 2009

Kastanj wrote: »

"And yes I to base this on the Bible"

I also base my decisions on the bible. Which is why I would not intervene if my country were to invade yours and make your family slaves.

"The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural."

Banning blowjobs is niche politics dude.

Well, it was also designed to pee with.

As much as I love sex, I pee with my penis a hell of a lot more often.

Tasteticle · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

SyphonBlue wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

Then why are so many animals gay, or have homosexual relationships?

or is that too much SCIENCE

In the animal kingdom homosexual activity is used to show dominance. as far as humans that is a lifestyle choice.

1) For someone who wants to use science you can't really claim that being gay is a 'choice'

2) A gay marriage can not lead to a loving and caring environment for kids? That is complete bigotry on your end, again.

Orochi_Rockman · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

So Condoms are unnatural and we should be rid of them? Married heterosexual couples that choose not to have children are having sex for their enjoyment and not procreation so this to is unnatural?

dragonsama · November 2009

Tasteticle wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

SyphonBlue wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

Then why are so many animals gay, or have homosexual relationships?

or is that too much SCIENCE

In the animal kingdom homosexual activity is used to show dominance. as far as humans that is a lifestyle choice.

1) For someone who wants to use science you can't really claim that being gay is a 'choice'

2) A gay marriage can not lead to a loving and caring environment for kids? That is complete bigotry on your end, again.

Yes I can if you are saying that is not then it is an anomaly that is in the brain and therefore can be "cured" do you really want to go down that road?

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

Khavall · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

So do you agree that gay marriage should be legal?

Because no one is saying you can't live in your bigoted world where you think they're wrong. That makes you a bad person, but go ahead and be a bad person.

The problem is if you think that because you disapprove of it it shouldn't be legal.

Hachface · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

snip

You can't actually "use" science to reach a moral conclusion. Science is a method of inquiry to determine empirical fact.

YamiB. · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The problem with using the Bible to define legal marriage is that it is already a separate institution from religious marriage. Marriage in the church should be defined by teaching from the Bible, but not marriages outside of it. For proof of this separation look at Catholic priests who refuse to marry non-Catholics compared to government officials who could not deny marriage for similar reasons.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Actually homosexuality occurs in nature so it is by definition natural. It is also mistaken thinking to think that something natural is good and something unnatural is bad. For example computers are unnatural and Ebola is natural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

There are numerous problems with this argument.

First we already allow people who are infertile to become married and stay married. If the only purpose of marriage was to produce children through sexual intercourse within that marriage then there would be no reason for allowing those people to get married or stay married.

If the procreation does not have to be through sexual intercourse then homosexuals can use artificial insemination, surrogate parents, and adoption. This still ignores that people who choose not to have children through any of the previously mentioned means are allowed to stay married.

If it is about raising children then homosexuals are just as able as proven by multiple studies.

The strongest conclusion that can be drawn from the empirical literature is that the vast majority of studies show that children living with two mothers and children living with a mother and father have the same levels of social competence. A few studies suggest that children with two lesbian mothers may have marginally better social competence than children in traditional nuclear families, even fewer studies show the opposite, and most studies fail to find any differences. The very limited body of research on children with two gay fathers supports this same conclusion.

http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/docs/Justice_Child_Development.pdf

WHEREAS there is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children (Patterson, 2000, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999);

WHEREAS research has shown that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation and that the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish (Patterson, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001);

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/policy/parents.html

Overall, researchers found no significant differences between the two groups. Teens with two moms, for example, were neither more nor less likely than their peers with two opposite-sex parents to report having been involved in a romantic relationship during the past year or ever having sex. Both groups were generally well-adjusted, with relatively high levels of self-esteem, relatively low levels of anxiety, and good achievement in school.

http://sexualhealth.e-healthsource.com/?p=news1&id=522343

Studies from 1981 to 1994, including 260 children reared by either heterosexual mothers or same-sex mothers after divorce, found no differences in intelligence, type or prevalence of psychiatric disorders, self-esteem, well-being, peer relationships, couple relationships, or parental stress.

"Some studies showed that single heterosexual parents' children have more difficulties than children who have parents of the same sex," Perrin says. "They did better in discipline, self-esteem, and had less psychosocial difficulties at home and at school."

Another study of 37 children of 27 divorced lesbian mothers and a similar number of children of heterosexual mothers found no differences in behavior, adjustment, gender identity, and peer relationships.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/12/health/webmd/main938234.shtml

“Rarely is there as much consensus in any area of social science as in the case of gay parenting, which is why the American Academy of Pediatrics and all of the major
professional organizations with expertise in child welfare have issued reports and resolutions in support of gay and lesbian parental rights” (cited in Cooper & Cates, 2006, p. 36).

http://www.psychology.org.au/Assets/Files/LGBT-Families-Lit-Review.pdf

The research indicates that parenting practices and children’s outcomes in families parented by lesbian and gay parents are likely to be at least as favourable as those in families of heterosexual parents, despite the reality that considerable legal discrimination and inequity remain significant challenges for these families.

http://www.psychology.org.au/Assets/Files/LGBT-Families-Lit-Review.pdf

There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-gender parents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents. More than 25 years of research have documented that there is no relationship between parents' sexual orientation and any measure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/349

Yet empirical research to date has consistently failed to find linkages between children’s well-being and the sexual orientation of their parents. If gay, lesbian, or bisexual parents were inherently less capable than otherwise comparable heterosexual parents, their children would evidence problems regardless of the type of sample.

http://wedding.thejons.net/homework/optional_readings.pdf

CPA continues to assert its 2003 position that the psychological literature into the psychosocial adjustment and functioning of children fails to demonstrate any significant differences between children raised within families with heterosexual parents and those raised within families with gay and lesbian parents.

http://www.cpa.ca/cpasite/userfiles/Documents/Marriage%20of%20Same-Sex%20Couples%20Position%20Statement%20-%20October%202006%20%281%29.pdf

Tasteticle · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

You are going to have to cite some credible sources for this statement otherwise it is complete nonsense and based off of absolutely nothing but your own internal opinion.

iTunesIsEvil · November 2009

Procreation has nothing to do with marriage. Not a single goddamned thing, so there goes your science out the door, you failure of a man. I want to hear what you thinks of marriages in which the couples do not want to have children. I'd also like to hear what you've got to say about couples who find out that they're incapable of conceiving a child.

And since you're basing your opinions of marriage on what the bible says, I think you should answer Quingu.

Heartlash · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

The question is, do you have ample justification to take rights/privileges away from people you don't approve of? And what kind of a precedent does that set?

Qingu · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

Why should anyone give a shit what you consider to be a "balanced upbringing"?

On what basis did you arrive at this conclusion? Please say the Bible. I'd love to talk about the Bible's view of what a balanced upbringing is.

Tasteticle · November 2009

there are numerous parts in the bible that state interracial marriages are a sin

again, you are picking and choosing and therefore your 'absolute truth' thing is nonsense

dragonsama · November 2009

Tasteticle wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

You are going to have to cite some credible sources for this statement otherwise it is complete nonsense and based off of absolutely nothing but your own internal opinion.

No I am saying Homosexuality IS a choice. I said if he believed it was not then he is saying it is a defect and therefore can be cured. it is dangerous road to go down (not to mention a false one)

And I said. I don't care who you boink but I don't have to agree or support it.

And a major componey of Marriage IS procreation and the creation of a stable loving family. As far as your studies I'm sorry a boy can't learn to be a man without a father around and girl can't learn to be a woman without a mother around since you learn that from those people.

cherv1 · November 2009

So, what, do we take away the children of single mothers? I mean, they don't have a father, can't be good. And what about widows? Do we make them remarry right away, for the benefit or their fatherless children?

Tasteticle · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

Tasteticle wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

You are going to have to cite some credible sources for this statement otherwise it is complete nonsense and based off of absolutely nothing but your own internal opinion.

No I am saying Homosexuality IS a choice. I said if he believed it was not then he is saying it is a defect and therefore can be cured. it is dangerous road to go down (not to mention a false one)

And I said. I don't care who you boink but I don't have to agree or support it.

And a major componey of Marriage IS procreation and the creation of a stable loving family. As far as your studies I'm sorry a boy can't learn to be a man without a father around and girl can't learn to be a woman without a mother around since you learn that from those people.

so then you have nothing to actually base this opinion off of

thanks for proving my point

Heartlash · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

Tasteticle wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

SyphonBlue wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

Then why are so many animals gay, or have homosexual relationships?

or is that too much SCIENCE

In the animal kingdom homosexual activity is used to show dominance. as far as humans that is a lifestyle choice.

1) For someone who wants to use science you can't really claim that being gay is a 'choice'

2) A gay marriage can not lead to a loving and caring environment for kids? That is complete bigotry on your end, again.

Yes I can if you are saying that is not then it is an anomaly that is in the brain and therefore can be "cured" do you really want to go down that road?

You're painting it in a strange way here. Are Green eyes an "anomoly" that can therefore be "cured"? No, they're a trait that can be influenced by genetics. It's entirely possible that homosexuality functions in a similar manner. "Cured" implies negative, not objective.

Of course, even if homosexuality IS a choice, it shouldn't matter. Religion is a lifestyle choice, and it's protected. There isn't really a good reason to disallow homosexuals from certain rights/privileges that isn't homophobic.

Hachface · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

Tasteticle wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

You are going to have to cite some credible sources for this statement otherwise it is complete nonsense and based off of absolutely nothing but your own internal opinion.

No I am saying Homosexuality IS a choice. I said if he believed it was not then he is saying it is a defect and therefore can be cured. it is dangerous road to go down (not to mention a false one)

And I said. I don't care who you boink but I don't have to agree or support it.

And a major componey of Marriage IS procreation and the creation of a stable loving family. As far as your studies I'm sorry a boy can't learn to be a man without a father around and girl can't learn to be a woman without a mother around since you learn that from those people.

dragonsama would you please read and respond to some of the many citations people have brought to bear from a variety of experts in the field of childhood development in support of same-sex parents?

iTunesIsEvil · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

And a major componey of Marriage IS procreation and the creation of a stable loving family. As far as your studies I'm sorry a boy can't learn to be a man without a father around and girl can't learn to be a woman without a mother around since you learn that from those people.

You fail so fucking hard it's not even funny. Really? A boy can't learn to be a "man" without a father? I hope you don't tell that to anyone who had their father die while they were young.

Heartlash · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

Tasteticle wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

You are going to have to cite some credible sources for this statement otherwise it is complete nonsense and based off of absolutely nothing but your own internal opinion.

No I am saying Homosexuality IS a choice. I said if he believed it was not then he is saying it is a defect and therefore can be cured. it is dangerous road to go down (not to mention a false one)

And I said. I don't care who you boink but I don't have to agree or support it.

And a major componey of Marriage IS procreation and the creation of a stable loving family. As far as your studies I'm sorry a boy can't learn to be a man without a father around and girl can't learn to be a woman without a mother around since you learn that from those people.

So if a boy's father dies when he's young, he can't become a "man" without a replacement?

You're coming off as pretty close-minded here.

YamiB. · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

Tasteticle wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

You are going to have to cite some credible sources for this statement otherwise it is complete nonsense and based off of absolutely nothing but your own internal opinion.

No I am saying Homosexuality IS a choice. I said if he believed it was not then he is saying it is a defect and therefore can be cured. it is dangerous road to go down (not to mention a false one)

Or it could you know just be trait like skin color that is neither a choice or a defect. Again you are going against the scientific evidence with claiming that homosexuality is a choice.

And I said. I don't care who you boink but I don't have to agree or support it.

If you don't care then it should be allowed to legalize.

And a major componey of Marriage IS procreation and the creation of a stable loving family. As far as your studies I'm sorry a boy can't learn to be a man without a father around and girl can't learn to be a woman without a mother around since you learn that from those people.

So you're saying you know what a child needs better to grow up with good mental health as compared to various psychologists and adolescent experts. Because as I showed they they you're wrong.

Tofystedeth · November 2009

Hachface wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

Tasteticle wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

You are going to have to cite some credible sources for this statement otherwise it is complete nonsense and based off of absolutely nothing but your own internal opinion.

No I am saying Homosexuality IS a choice. I said if he believed it was not then he is saying it is a defect and therefore can be cured. it is dangerous road to go down (not to mention a false one)

And I said. I don't care who you boink but I don't have to agree or support it.

And a major componey of Marriage IS procreation and the creation of a stable loving family. As far as your studies I'm sorry a boy can't learn to be a man without a father around and girl can't learn to be a woman without a mother around since you learn that from those people.

dragonsama would you please read and respond to some of the many citations people have brought to bear from a variety of experts in the field of childhood development in support of same-sex parents?

Seriously. People have provided reams of scientific evidence that directly contradicts this statement. Put up or shut up.

Tach · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

The thing about this is you can argue about the gay marriage thing until you are blue in the face but you are wrong about it. And yes I to base this on the Bible. But since you don't like that I'll use Science.

The penis and testicles were designed for procreation, the penis was designed to deliver sperm into a vagina for the purpose of fertilizing an egg. therefore Homosexual activity does no promote any of this therefore it is unnatural.

Marriage between a man and a woman promotes the bearing of children and gives them a stable environment to grow in and learn the interactions between a man and a woman and people in general.

Gay activity and marriage does not do any of this.

BTW I don't care who are you boinking go for but I do not have to approve of it and it does not benefit anything.

Tach wrote: »

You keep your religion out of our government, and we'll keep our government out of your religion.

SyphonBlue · November 2009

dragonsama wrote: »

Tasteticle wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

You are going to have to cite some credible sources for this statement otherwise it is complete nonsense and based off of absolutely nothing but your own internal opinion.

No I am saying Homosexuality IS a choice. I said if he believed it was not then he is saying it is a defect and therefore can be cured. it is dangerous road to go down (not to mention a false one)

And I said. I don't care who you boink but I don't have to agree or support it.

And a major componey of Marriage IS procreation and the creation of a stable loving family. As far as your studies I'm sorry a boy can't learn to be a man without a father around and girl can't learn to be a woman without a mother around since you learn that from those people.

Just because its a defect doesn't mean it can be cured, idiot. Can you cure muscular dystrophy? MUST BE A CHOICE THEN!

Tasteticle · November 2009

dragonsama, I am sorry if I am coming across as being harsh

I used to be very similar to you

Hell I used to deliver sermons

I understand how hard it is to defend a lot of the bible beyond saying "the bible says so"

So I started to think, and question things, and now I am much richer (intellectually and emotionally) for it

The best advice I can give you, is start to think for yourself. Start to question things, start to read into things, even if you don't like where it's going. Make your own informed opinion rather that the opinion that is a by-product of your upbringing.

Tach · November 2009

dragonsama wrote:

And I said. I don't care who you boink but I don't have to agree or support it.

Newsflash, pal. This statement is contradictory to your stance on gays, gay marriage, and everything in this thread.

If you don't care, why the hell do you care?

Khavall · November 2009

SyphonBlue wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

Tasteticle wrote: »

dragonsama wrote: »

2. yes it can because there is no balance. a Child needs a mother and a father to have a balanced upbringing

You are going to have to cite some credible sources for this statement otherwise it is complete nonsense and based off of absolutely nothing but your own internal opinion.

No I am saying Homosexuality IS a choice. I said if he believed it was not then he is saying it is a defect and therefore can be cured. it is dangerous road to go down (not to mention a false one)

And I said. I don't care who you boink but I don't have to agree or support it.

And a major componey of Marriage IS procreation and the creation of a stable loving family. As far as your studies I'm sorry a boy can't learn to be a man without a father around and girl can't learn to be a woman without a mother around since you learn that from those people.

Just because its a defect doesn't mean it can be cured, idiot. Can you cure muscular dystrophy? MUST BE A CHOICE THEN!

And just because it's a trait doesn't mean its a defect.

I think pretty much the worst thing in the world is to argue that it's a choice because otherwise it means the person is just made wrong.

Like black people, right? We really need to work on curing that.

Orochi_Rockman · November 2009

So how do you take into account homes with heterosexual parents in non-stereotyped roles? I have cousin that is a total tomboy, she works for construction company and spends her days out with the guys putting roofs on houses. Her husband is a stay at home dad that does the cooking and the cleaning.

Should their kids be taken away from them? How does my tomboy of a cousin teach her daughter to be a "woman" and what is your definition of a "woman" to begin with?

TheMarshal · November 2009

Man, you guys eat that shit UP! 3+ pages of responses over two or three entries from dragonsama? Well played troll... well played...

SyphonBlue · November 2009

Orochi_Rockman wrote: »

So how do you take into account homes with heterosexual parents in non-stereotyped roles? I have cousin that is a total tomboy, she works for construction company and spends her days out with the guys putting roofs on houses. Her husband is a stay at home dad that does the cooking and the cleaning.

Should their kids be taken away from them? How does my tomboy of a cousin teach her daughter to be a "woman" and what is your definition of a "woman" to begin with?

We just need to get back to the good ol' 1950's. When women stayed in the kitchen, dad came home at 5 pm every night to a house of 3 children sitting there doing their homework or out on the tire swing out back, and a friendly neighborhood labrador leapt on his lap to give him a gentle kiss, and the mother and father slept in separate beds.

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