Here is a woman who in 8 minutes and 12 seconds manages to be wrong about every single branch of science ever.
This has to be a world record of astounding fail.
And yet, and yet... Homeopathy is a booming business, with its snake oil cures flying off the shelves. Are we really such a dehydrated, scientifically ignorant society that people fall for this shit?
People pay over $2/pill of this crap. There'll always be a way to make money off the stupid or uninformed.
Why am I on track to become an engineer/doctor? Why am I going to be 200k in debt so I can create marvels of medical science? Why aren't I in this fucking business? Oh right, I have self respect.
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I saw the thread title and rushed in, hoping to post the video in the OP. Can't say I'm disappointed.
My favorite analogy for homeopathy is: "It's like losing your car keys in a slow-moving river and instead of looking for them, you run 5 miles downstream, scoop up a small cupful of water, run back to your car, and pour the water into the ignition, expecting the engine to turn over."
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People pay over $2/pill of this crap. There'll always be a way to make money off the stupid or uninformed.
Oscillococcinum is generally considered harmless. When Boiron's spokeswoman Gina Casey was asked if a product made from the heart and liver of a duck was safe, she replied: "Of course it is safe. There's nothing in it."
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god, I have a step-uncle who's into this shit. Every time I (rarely) see him at a holiday gathering he's got some new story about neural realignment or whatever the latest bullshit is
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The rejection of hard-won knowledge is by no means a new phenomenon. In 1905, French mathematician and scientist Henri Poincaré said that the willingness to embrace pseudo-science flourished because people “know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether illusion is not more consoling.” Decades later, the astronomer Carl Sagan reached a similar conclusion: Science loses ground to pseudo-science because the latter seems to offer more comfort. “A great many of these belief systems address real human needs that are not being met by our society,” Sagan wrote of certain Americans’ embrace of reincarnation, channeling, and extraterrestrials. “There are unsatisfied medical needs, spiritual needs, and needs for communion with the rest of the human community.”
Looking back over human history, rationality has been the anomaly. Being rational takes work, education, and a sober determination to avoid making hasty inferences, even when they appear to make perfect sense. Much like infectious diseases themselves — beaten back by decades of effort to vaccinate the populace — the irrational lingers just below the surface, waiting for us to let down our guard.
I'm angrier at that asian bitch then I've been at another human being for a while.
What's terrible is that my mom buys into this crap. She's convinced she's rebelling against Big Pharma and that the heaping piles of evidence against homeopathy are just examples of interest group propaganda.
I have had a pretty large amount of exposure to alternative medicine. In my experience practitioners vacillate between being completely insane and being . . . very helpful.
And I'm being serious on that point. I beat probably the shittiest disease I've ever had to experience because of those people, although for this specific ailment it's worth noting that very well educated integrative medicine MD's can also treat it. But my god are they rare.
I'm talking specifically about Candida Albicans overgrowth. A condition which really fucking sucks, isn't that rare, and is almost completely rejected by traditional medicine. On top of that I also have celiacs disease. With me, it was easy to diagnose, as I had the classic symptoms, but my mother didn't have the classic symptoms - instead she got crippling migraines every day for 30 years, until I found out I had celiacs, discovered (from homeopath sources) that migraines are tied to gluten sensitivity, and told her to go gluten free. She had been seeing migraine experts for decades, yet not a single one had brought this up. She went gluten free, and now she's migraine free and really happy for the first time in decades.
So I suppose my point isn't that alternative medicines are right and should be encouraged, it's that traditional medicine has failed a lot of people in very major ways, and you really can't blame them when they turn to something else.
People pay over $2/pill of this crap. There'll always be a way to make money off the stupid or uninformed.
I wish they still had those vaudevillian salesmen. At least then you got a show for your $2.
Step right up, folks, and witness the magnificent medicinal miracle of Simpson & Son's patented revitalizing toniiiiiiiic!
[breathe]
Put some ardor in your larder with our energizing, moisturizing, tantalizing, romanticizing, surprising, her-prizing, revitalizing toniiiiiiic!
I have had a pretty large amount of exposure to homeopaths. In my experience, they vacillate between being completely insane and being . . . very helpful.
And I'm being serious on that point. I beat probably the shittiest disease I've ever had to experience because of those people, although for this specific ailment it's worth noting that very well educated integrative medicine MD's can also treat it. But my god are they rare.
I'm talking specifically about Candida Albicans overgrowth. A condition which really fucking sucks, isn't that rare, and is almost completely rejected by traditional medicine. On top of that I also have celiacs disease. With me, it was easy to diagnose, as I had the classic symptoms, but my mother didn't have the classic symptoms - instead she got crippling migraines every day for 30 years, until I found out I had celiacs, discovered (from homeopath sources) that migraines are tied to gluten sensitivity, and told her to go gluten free. She had been seeing migraine experts for decades, yet not a single one had brought this up. She went gluten free, and now she's migraine free and really happy for the first time in decades.
So I suppose my point is that homeopaths are right and should be encouraged, it's that traditional medicine has failed a lot of people in very major ways, and you really can't blame them when they turn to something else.
Homeopaths, like stopped clocks, are not always wrong.
edit: They use the same methods to arrive at "solutions." Sometimes they get a hit, but the methods were still flawed.
I have had a pretty large amount of exposure to homeopaths. In my experience, they vacillate between being completely insane and being . . . very helpful.
And I'm being serious on that point. I beat probably the shittiest disease I've ever had to experience because of those people, although for this specific ailment it's worth noting that very well educated integrative medicine MD's can also treat it. But my god are they rare.
I'm talking specifically about Candida Albicans overgrowth. A condition which really fucking sucks, isn't that rare, and is almost completely rejected by traditional medicine. On top of that I also have celiacs disease. With me, it was easy to diagnose, as I had the classic symptoms, but my mother didn't have the classic symptoms - instead she got crippling migraines every day for 30 years, until I found out I had celiacs, discovered (from homeopath sources) that migraines are tied to gluten sensitivity, and told her to go gluten free. She had been seeing migraine experts for decades, yet not a single one had brought this up. She went gluten free, and now she's migraine free and really happy for the first time in decades.
So I suppose my point isn't that homeopaths are right and should be encouraged, it's that traditional medicine has failed a lot of people in very major ways, and you really can't blame them when they turn to something else.
Homeopaths, like stopped clocks, are not always wrong.
In reviewing definitions it's occurred to me that all my good information came from naturopaths, and homeopaths are pure crazy.
I have had a pretty large amount of exposure to homeopaths. In my experience, they vacillate between being completely insane and being . . . very helpful.
And I'm being serious on that point. I beat probably the shittiest disease I've ever had to experience because of those people, although for this specific ailment it's worth noting that very well educated integrative medicine MD's can also treat it. But my god are they rare.
I'm talking specifically about Candida Albicans overgrowth. A condition which really fucking sucks, isn't that rare, and is almost completely rejected by traditional medicine. On top of that I also have celiacs disease. With me, it was easy to diagnose, as I had the classic symptoms, but my mother didn't have the classic symptoms - instead she got crippling migraines every day for 30 years, until I found out I had celiacs, discovered (from homeopath sources) that migraines are tied to gluten sensitivity, and told her to go gluten free. She had been seeing migraine experts for decades, yet not a single one had brought this up. She went gluten free, and now she's migraine free and really happy for the first time in decades.
So I suppose my point is that homeopaths are right and should be encouraged, it's that traditional medicine has failed a lot of people in very major ways, and you really can't blame them when they turn to something else.
Homeopaths, like stopped clocks, are not always wrong.
In reviewing definitions it's occurred to me that all my good information came from naturopaths, and homeopaths are pure crazy.
It looks like I was talking about naturopaths too. :rotate:
People pay over $2/pill of this crap. There'll always be a way to make money off the stupid or uninformed.
Why am I on track to become an engineer/doctor? Why am I going to be 200k in debt so I can create marvels of medical science? Why aren't I in this fucking business? Oh right, I have self respect.
What I find truly fucking fascinating are homeopaths who are also medical doctors.
Is it a cynical way to boost income? Or is it actually possible that people who went to medical school (and passed) think this is viable science?
case in point- an M.D/Homeopath tries to debate Richard Dawkins about it-
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Some naturopath cures are fine based on a mixture of sticking with what works and the broken clock principle. The only thing any homeopathic remedy has ever cured is mild dehydration.
Geckahn, your last paragraph seems to be missing an "'nt".
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Some naturopath cures are fine based on a mixture of sticking with what works and the broken clock principle. The only thing any homeopathic remedy has ever cured is mild dehydration.
Geckahn, your last paragraph seems to be missing an "'nt".
I think what people like about homeopaths is they show an interest in irrelevant details of their life, and talk them through that kind of stuff. In a sense they're like unlicensed psychotherapists.
Come to think of it, that's actually scary. If homeopaths will talk to you for an hour about some inconsequential mild illness, imagine what happens when they start treating patients for depression.
And yes, homeopathic sugar pills exist for depression. Those people sure aren't paying for the pills.
On the same kind of vibe is that "Total biology" thing.
Disease is actually a psychological conflict that needs to be resolved..and modern medecine makes it worst.
See also http://totalbiology.ca/
The K indicates that it is prepared by the Korsakovian method, in which rather than 1% of the preparation being measured out at each stage and then diluted, a single vessel is repeatedly emptied, refilled, and vigorously shaken (in homeopathic terminology "succussed"), and it is assumed that 1% remains in the vessel each time.
"Mass is really small, so why not just go ahead and cross out that troublesome lil' M in E=Mc^2. Yeah, just cross it right out!"
Because, as we all know from 3rd grade, if we were to assume mass was infinitesimally small (i.e. zero) that would make E really, really big. Right? Right?
The K indicates that it is prepared by the Korsakovian method, in which rather than 1% of the preparation being measured out at each stage and then diluted, a single vessel is repeatedly emptied, refilled, and vigorously shaken (in homeopathic terminology "succussed"), and it is assumed that 1% remains in the vessel each time.
They're not even diluting it! Ha ha ha!
An honest question- when something is diluted, does the homeopath actually fill up and pour out a beaker over and over and over?
I mean surely they realize...that they could just fill it with water...once...
The K indicates that it is prepared by the Korsakovian method, in which rather than 1% of the preparation being measured out at each stage and then diluted, a single vessel is repeatedly emptied, refilled, and vigorously shaken (in homeopathic terminology "succussed"), and it is assumed that 1% remains in the vessel each time.
They're not even diluting it! Ha ha ha!
An honest question- when something is diluted, does the homeopath actually fill up and pour out a beaker over and over and over?
I mean surely they realize...that they could just fill it with water...once...
I was wondering the same thing. Of course, just filling the beaker with water would be a solution 10^ridiculous times too concentrated of various wonderful things. I don't doubt at all that, at the concentrations we're talking about, you could survey public water systems around the world and find perfectly potable and drinkable solutions of most of the stable elements in the periodic table, barring those that would instead float into the atmosphere.
I suppose that's the funniest part, that you can convince someone you spent hours shaking and emptying cups of water to make this elixir (properties- restores full HP and partially restores Mana) for them
"Mass is really small, so why not just go ahead and cross out that troublesome lil' M in E=Mc^2. Yeah, just cross it right out!"
Because, as we all know from 3rd grade, if we were to assume mass was infinitesimally small (i.e. zero) that would make E really, really big. Right? Right?
Nah, man, that's like not how that works at all. First you Slow light down to 38 miles per hour. THEN you use it in the equation with the same mass and BOOM the mass shoots way up, man. It's like Free matter. Einstein was onto this when he was murdered so that the secret wouldn't get out.
My favorite part is the adding of something vaguely related to string theory.
"So E = M, and we just take the M our, times light.... plus vibration..... you see? We're all just beings of energy!"
I once watched a presentation by an insane upenn professor, a blatant homeopathy supporter who tried to establish that because of...something about variable structure and a bunch of jargon about molecules and water "isn't just water anymore"
This was in a debate where opposing profs had easy to follow, clear and concise presentations.
"Mass is really small, so why not just go ahead and cross out that troublesome lil' M in E=Mc^2. Yeah, just cross it right out!"
Yeah, I was having an aneurysm the entire time she was talking about physics. She started talking about string theory too, and it really didn't tie into what she was discussing at all. Einstein would probably succumb to the urge to beat that woman if they ever met.
Yeah that was pretty terrifying. The worst part of it is that it probably sounds exactly the same to most people as a regular scientist explaining actual science. I can see through the lies almost instantaneously, but in 60-80 years or whatever when I'm dying from something that doesn't exist yet and my brain's all Alzheimer's-y I might not be so lucky.
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People pay over $2/pill of this crap. There'll always be a way to make money off the stupid or uninformed.
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Why am I on track to become an engineer/doctor? Why am I going to be 200k in debt so I can create marvels of medical science? Why aren't I in this fucking business? Oh right, I have self respect.
My favorite analogy for homeopathy is: "It's like losing your car keys in a slow-moving river and instead of looking for them, you run 5 miles downstream, scoop up a small cupful of water, run back to your car, and pour the water into the ignition, expecting the engine to turn over."
hahahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk
Though the skeptic thread basicly went over this a week or two ago.
ugh
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What's terrible is that my mom buys into this crap. She's convinced she's rebelling against Big Pharma and that the heaping piles of evidence against homeopathy are just examples of interest group propaganda.
And I'm being serious on that point. I beat probably the shittiest disease I've ever had to experience because of those people, although for this specific ailment it's worth noting that very well educated integrative medicine MD's can also treat it. But my god are they rare.
I'm talking specifically about Candida Albicans overgrowth. A condition which really fucking sucks, isn't that rare, and is almost completely rejected by traditional medicine. On top of that I also have celiacs disease. With me, it was easy to diagnose, as I had the classic symptoms, but my mother didn't have the classic symptoms - instead she got crippling migraines every day for 30 years, until I found out I had celiacs, discovered (from homeopath sources) that migraines are tied to gluten sensitivity, and told her to go gluten free. She had been seeing migraine experts for decades, yet not a single one had brought this up. She went gluten free, and now she's migraine free and really happy for the first time in decades.
So I suppose my point isn't that alternative medicines are right and should be encouraged, it's that traditional medicine has failed a lot of people in very major ways, and you really can't blame them when they turn to something else.
I wish they still had those vaudevillian salesmen. At least then you got a show for your $2.
Step right up, folks, and witness the magnificent medicinal miracle of Simpson & Son's patented revitalizing toniiiiiiiic!
[breathe]
Put some ardor in your larder with our energizing, moisturizing, tantalizing, romanticizing, surprising, her-prizing, revitalizing toniiiiiiic!
Homeopaths, like stopped clocks, are not always wrong.
edit: They use the same methods to arrive at "solutions." Sometimes they get a hit, but the methods were still flawed.
also that lady is fucking insane.
stupid impersonal television
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In reviewing definitions it's occurred to me that all my good information came from naturopaths, and homeopaths are pure crazy.
It looks like I was talking about naturopaths too. :rotate:
Well if that's a single dose it's gotta do something m i rite
What I find truly fucking fascinating are homeopaths who are also medical doctors.
Is it a cynical way to boost income? Or is it actually possible that people who went to medical school (and passed) think this is viable science?
case in point- an M.D/Homeopath tries to debate Richard Dawkins about it-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYqQ_n2vOOI
More required viewing for homepathy lulz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSKxz1BNU6s&feature=fvw
Geckahn, your last paragraph seems to be missing an "'nt".
I think what people like about homeopaths is they show an interest in irrelevant details of their life, and talk them through that kind of stuff. In a sense they're like unlicensed psychotherapists.
Come to think of it, that's actually scary. If homeopaths will talk to you for an hour about some inconsequential mild illness, imagine what happens when they start treating patients for depression.
And yes, homeopathic sugar pills exist for depression. Those people sure aren't paying for the pills.
Disease is actually a psychological conflict that needs to be resolved..and modern medecine makes it worst.
See also http://totalbiology.ca/
Yes indeed..
I think you need to edit your post again.
My favorite part of the article is this:
They're not even diluting it! Ha ha ha!
Because, as we all know from 3rd grade, if we were to assume mass was infinitesimally small (i.e. zero) that would make E really, really big. Right? Right?
An honest question- when something is diluted, does the homeopath actually fill up and pour out a beaker over and over and over?
I mean surely they realize...that they could just fill it with water...once...
This is really tempting me. "Homeopath", "Psychotherapist", "Nutritionist"... all these unprotected terms just waiting for me to abuse them.
I was wondering the same thing. Of course, just filling the beaker with water would be a solution 10^ridiculous times too concentrated of various wonderful things. I don't doubt at all that, at the concentrations we're talking about, you could survey public water systems around the world and find perfectly potable and drinkable solutions of most of the stable elements in the periodic table, barring those that would instead float into the atmosphere.
Nah, man, that's like not how that works at all. First you Slow light down to 38 miles per hour. THEN you use it in the equation with the same mass and BOOM the mass shoots way up, man. It's like Free matter. Einstein was onto this when he was murdered so that the secret wouldn't get out.
Is a Homeopath's Call of Duty strategy to shoot once with a rifle then immediately switch to pistol and fire ten shots?
"So E = M, and we just take the M our, times light.... plus vibration..... you see? We're all just beings of energy!"
I once watched a presentation by an insane upenn professor, a blatant homeopathy supporter who tried to establish that because of...something about variable structure and a bunch of jargon about molecules and water "isn't just water anymore"
This was in a debate where opposing profs had easy to follow, clear and concise presentations.
but every time i hear "homeopathy", for some reason my mind equates it to "osteopathy" just long enough for me to go "wait, why do people hate this?"
the worst part?