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How MS sold me on IE8

DeicistDeicist Registered User regular
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If anyone knows about the respective merits of browsers, it's country music star Dolly Parton right?

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    :lol: Thanks for sharing Tallus.

    I think the most worrying part about that is it's not randomly on their regular IE8 page, instead it's on the "Partner Network" pages. Because if anything's going to help sell your important customers on Microsoft's browser it's 63 year-old country/folk singer with oversized boobs.

    WTF Microsoft? o_O

  • SalviusSalvius Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    All my browser choices are music-based, but I'm conflicted. On one hand, a country music singer is recommending IE8, but on the other a country music song is recommending against it. :?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTTzwJsHpU8

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    The best part of Windows7 is uninstalling Internet Explorer from your system.

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Dolly Parton has extremely large freakishly bloated breasts. I can definitely draw some parallels to IE8.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    Scrublet wrote: »
    Dolly Parton has extremely large freakishly bloated breasts. I can definitely draw some parallels to IE8.

    They're bloated, don't work very well, and have little of the original software in there that made them good originally?

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  • CronusCronus Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Scrublet wrote: »
    Dolly Parton has extremely large freakishly bloated breasts. I can definitely draw some parallels to IE8.

    They're bloated, don't work very well, and have little of the original software in there that made them good originally?

    Don't talk about Firefox that way!

    Seriously I use Firefox at work and home, but do we really need another thread of people hating on Microsoft for no real reason. If it weren't for a couple extensions that are only in Firefox I'd use IE.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    Cronus wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Scrublet wrote: »
    Dolly Parton has extremely large freakishly bloated breasts. I can definitely draw some parallels to IE8.

    They're bloated, don't work very well, and have little of the original software in there that made them good originally?

    Don't talk about Firefox that way!

    Seriously I use Firefox at work and home, but do we really need another thread of people hating on Microsoft for no real reason. If it weren't for a couple extensions that are only in Firefox I'd use IE.

    But you shouldn't, because IE is full of awful security holes and terrible things. Half the time it isn't even up to current web standards. Whereas Firefox, Chrome, or Opera all are, all the time. Or safari on a mac, maybe? I dunno. I know it's bad on Windows not sure on the Mac side.

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  • CronusCronus Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Cronus wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Scrublet wrote: »
    Dolly Parton has extremely large freakishly bloated breasts. I can definitely draw some parallels to IE8.

    They're bloated, don't work very well, and have little of the original software in there that made them good originally?

    Don't talk about Firefox that way!

    Seriously I use Firefox at work and home, but do we really need another thread of people hating on Microsoft for no real reason. If it weren't for a couple extensions that are only in Firefox I'd use IE.

    But you shouldn't, because IE is full of awful security holes and terrible things. Half the time it isn't even up to current web standards. Whereas Firefox, Chrome, or Opera all are, all the time. Or safari on a mac, maybe? I dunno. I know it's bad on Windows not sure on the Mac side.

    IE is much more secure than Firefox these days. Firefox really got MS to step up their game. Firefox is now just slow and buggy. Perhaps they just have too many people working on it or the main people don't really care anymore, but it's not what it used to be.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    faster? Maybe.

    Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Scrublet wrote: »
    Dolly Parton has extremely large freakishly bloated breasts. I can definitely draw some parallels to IE8.

    They're bloated, don't work very well, and have little of the original software in there that made them good originally?

    Also neither of them can pass Acid3

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.

    IE6 and IE7 =/= IE8

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Opera is the best browser. Has almost everything you need 10 addons everywhere else, but still runs faster than any other browser with no addons installed.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.

    IE6 and IE7 =/= IE8
    http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-central/test-center-guide-browser-security-250?page=0,5&source=fssr

    Every other website i find is similar. IE8 has elevated security risks, which, as an employee at a help desk for a university, I see every day. Once we switch people to Firefox or something else, they stop having issues with the majority of their spyware and hijacking. ActiveX is still awful, as is IE8.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.

    IE6 and IE7 =/= IE8
    http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-central/test-center-guide-browser-security-250?page=0,5&source=fssr

    Every other website i find is similar. IE8 has elevated security risks, which, as an employee at a help desk for a university, I see every day. Once we switch people to Firefox or something else, they stop having issues with the majority of their spyware and hijacking. ActiveX is still awful, as is IE8.

    I'm just pointing out that there is no way IE8 is the most widely used browser. I think it's different enough from IE6 and IE7 to be considered a completely different piece of software.

    EDIT: I'm also pretty sure that ActiveX isn't enabled by default on IE8. That article you linked to cites ActiveX as a primary vector in IE, then goes on to criticize the vulnerabilities in previous versions of IE. It's also discussing the IE8 Beta.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I thought Firefox was the most widely used browser now?

    Obviously it depends whose statistics you use, though.

    EDIT: Actually, never mind, the statistics on Wikipedia are wildly different to those on the W3C site.

  • ZxerolZxerol The fullest, most luscious beard. Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    IE (all versions) is still the most widely used browser, with Firefox placing (a rather distant but not insignificant) second.

    You know, I wouldn't mind as much, but Microsoft has touted IE8 as their most standards compliant browser yet. A few months ago, I busted up Notepad and built a website that was just pure standards compliant CSS1 and XHTML. Rendered fine in every single browser I cared to try: Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, Konqueror, Midori, whatever. IE8 was the only browser that refused to render the site properly without errors. Granted, I'm far from an expert on web standards compliance or browser compatibility, but it was a disheartening experiment.

    Sobering thought: last I read, IE6 still comprises a little less than a quarter of all browsers used. :cry:

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    While IE 8 is their most standards compliant ever, it still has serious issues with its CSS implementation.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Secure? Scuse me while I giggle madly. Not a chance. I mean, hell, it's the most widely used browser. Flat out it's targeted more. Not really Microsoft's fault there, but the chances of it being one of the more secure browsers is looooow.

    IE6 and IE7 =/= IE8
    http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-central/test-center-guide-browser-security-250?page=0,5&source=fssr

    Every other website i find is similar. IE8 has elevated security risks, which, as an employee at a help desk for a university, I see every day. Once we switch people to Firefox or something else, they stop having issues with the majority of their spyware and hijacking. ActiveX is still awful, as is IE8.

    I'm just pointing out that there is no way IE8 is the most widely used browser. I think it's different enough from IE6 and IE7 to be considered a completely different piece of software.

    EDIT: I'm also pretty sure that ActiveX isn't enabled by default on IE8. That article you linked to cites ActiveX as a primary vector in IE, then goes on to criticize the vulnerabilities in previous versions of IE. It's also discussing the IE8 Beta.

    You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Look behind you, a catharsis of spurious morality!Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.
    Wait, what? Windows Update goes through the Control Panel. Pretty sure in Vista, and definitely in 7. And in 7, I haven't had to go to the Microsoft Update site to make sure that Office updates were downloaded through WU, either.

    I am hip and with it. I do the Twitters. I have a blog.
  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    Cyvros wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.
    Wait, what? Windows Update goes through the Control Panel. Pretty sure in Vista, and definitely in 7. And in 7, I haven't had to go to the Microsoft Update site to make sure that Office updates were downloaded through WU, either.

    In XP. Which is what I do believe most people have. Though I could be wrong there.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Cyvros wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.
    Wait, what? Windows Update goes through the Control Panel. Pretty sure in Vista, and definitely in 7. And in 7, I haven't had to go to the Microsoft Update site to make sure that Office updates were downloaded through WU, either.

    In XP. Which is what I do believe most people have. Though I could be wrong there.

    So you turn it on for Windows Update. You still have to turn it on, explicitly, on a per-site basis, for anything else. I believe that's default behavior, unless you specifically modify your 'Zone' settings.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal Flo-ridaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I've never had any CSS issues with IE8.

    Unless you count CSS3, which you shouldn't because CSS3 isn't finalized.

    In fact, I would argue that IE8 actually does SOME CSS things better or at least more sensible than Firefox, namely the handling of floated objects within parent containers.

    Is it still a horrible piece of shit from a user perspective? yes.

  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Cyvros wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    You have to turn on ActiveX to do fricken Windows Update.
    Wait, what? Windows Update goes through the Control Panel. Pretty sure in Vista, and definitely in 7. And in 7, I haven't had to go to the Microsoft Update site to make sure that Office updates were downloaded through WU, either.

    In XP. Which is what I do believe most people have. Though I could be wrong there.

    So you turn it on for Windows Update. You still have to turn it on, explicitly, on a per-site basis, for anything else. I believe that's default behavior, unless you specifically modify your 'Zone' settings.

    Yeah but

    You're an English major

    You don't know computers

    You just want to visit the link your buddy sent you via e-mail

    Some prompt pops up and says what you interpret to mean "click yes to view the site or no not to"

    So you click what

    You click yes. They always click yes.


    You cannot blame the user because you designed a system with massive inherent flaws and then relied on all users everywhere to fully educate themselves as to the risks involved in utilizing said system and analyzing each scenario in an effective manner. Nerds do that, but not everyone is a nerd and it's bullshit to throw up your hands and suggest that everyone should just be nerdier.

    ActiveX is the problem, not the user. Until they abandon it completely and replace it with something reasonably secure, they cannot claim that they are offering a safe and secure system for the average user.

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  • DeicistDeicist Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Whether IE8 is a shitty browser or not, having country music star Dolly Parton endorse it on the partner website is still a 'wtf?' moment.

    That's more what I was getting at.

  • DekuStickDekuStick Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    going on a firefox rampage in an IE thread should be some kind of new godwin.

    that's it, I'm shutting this entire forum down, everyone thank buttcleft
  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Uee Citizen Record #2051 Über Star CitizenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I don't even use IE8 much and I think this is the dumbest thread.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA
    edited December 2009
    I think we can all agree that she has really great boobs.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal Flo-ridaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2009
    gaaaah, Microsoft is so tone deaf.

    As an aside, Dolly Parton has the best quote

    "It took a lot of money to make me look this cheap."

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Pheezer wrote: »
    I think we can all agree that she has really great boobs.

    Great danes, great lakes, great depression, great boobs

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  • GreenishGreenish Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I run both IE8 and Firefox on my main machine. I end up using IE8 most of the time though because I just seem to like the UI a little bit more. Oh im sure I can get the same UI through FF with plugins but Im just lazy. Another reason is curiosity. I work at a small IT startup and Ive sort of become the OS recovery and malware removal expert there. Most of what I have to work on is from people who use IE as their main browser. I have a running experiment to see just how bad it can get through normal browsing. So far in 4 years, Ive only had a couple of main issues pop up. Only 1 took any kind of advanced tool to clear out. My belief is that most people (present company excluded) have unsafe browsing habits and stuff like this will still be around till people get wise to whats out there. Microsoft could still do a lot more to lock their browser down, disassociate it more from Windows, and to give inexperienced users better training wheels without constant popups and distractions.

    I still use FF for any online shopping or banking and for any guests.

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