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Canadian Politics: Proroguery Electric Boogaloo (with epic Harper evil picture in OP)

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  • ImperfectImperfect Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    oldmanken wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Any chance we can get Jean Chrétien back? I'm honestly starting to miss that guy.

    This.

    I was just lamenting this to my mother the other night.

    Seriously, we traded a $2 million scandal for *this*?

  • LorekLorek Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Richy wrote: »
    Any chance we can get Jean Chrétien back? I'm honestly starting to miss that guy.
    Aegis wrote: »
    There was a suggestion in the Toronto Star today that Ignatieff should probably try and get Paul Martin back in some kind of financial advisor status, given the fact people do consider him one of the best financial ministers. The argument being that doing such would lend credibility to Ignatieff's economic policies and compete with Harper's new 'focus' on the economy that he seems to think the prorogation was for.


    Behold the answer!

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous WALK 3X FASTER New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Imperfect wrote: »
    oldmanken wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Any chance we can get Jean Chrétien back? I'm honestly starting to miss that guy.

    This.

    I was just lamenting this to my mother the other night.

    Seriously, we traded a $2 million scandal for *this*?

    Psh, the liberals needed to be punished.




    by punishing the entire country.

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  • ImperfectImperfect Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    blkmage wrote: »

    Also, I just read that article and holy HELL. He sounds like a Pompous British Ass written by someone out to make the British seem nefarious. (Seriously, doesn't he sound like one of the bad guys in a Jane Austen novel or something?)

    Further, either he's dissembling pretty fiercely or he has absolutely no idea about how Canadians actual feel. To claim that the Afghanistan issue is not something that resonates with Canadians is preposterous. My mother is possibly the least politically active creature I know, and she's pissed as hell about it.

    Absolutely confounding.

  • hippofanthippofant Helping Mario save Peach. Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Imperfect wrote: »
    oldmanken wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Any chance we can get Jean Chrétien back? I'm honestly starting to miss that guy.

    This.

    I was just lamenting this to my mother the other night.

    Seriously, we traded a $2 million scandal for *this*?

    Psh, the liberals needed to be punished.




    by punishing the entire country.

    It serves us right for voting Liberal!

  • AridholAridhol Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    blkmage wrote: »

    Jesus fuck...

    Also I concur with the sentiment that I'd rather petty corruption than this bullshit.

  • Kevin R BrownKevin R Brown __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2010
    Regarding H1N1 in Alberta: 69 total deaths, and that includes every person that died from causes other than H1N1 but also tested positive for H1N1.

    Right; so let's say that just 10 of those 69 people would not have died if Stelmach wasn't delusional about the virus.

    Stalmach just fucking killed 10 people with his insane delusions.


    And as has already been pointed out, even that damning fact alone doesn't address the larger issue. If the virus had mutated into something much more deadly, Stelmach's inability to keep his decisions bound the real world could've killed millions of people, and rendered vaccines elsewhere ineffective.

    ' As always when their class interests are at stake, the capitalists can dispense with noble sentiments like the right to free speech or the struggle against tyranny.'
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    oldmanken wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Any chance we can get Jean Chrétien back? I'm honestly starting to miss that guy.

    This.

    Only starting?

    I mean, he was a corrupt SOB, but I expect nothing less.

    But seriously, think of what he did for us:

    - Invented the Shawinigan Handshake
    - didn't fuck everything up when everything was doing good on it's own
    - Knife vs Inuit Carving: The Ultimate Canadian Showdown
    - smart enough to appoint a guy smart enough to keep us from getting fucked when the economy blew up
    - made us all feel better cause we elected a guy who didn't look normal
    - kept us out of Iraq ("You need our forces Mr. Bush? I'm sorry, their not home right now. You just missed them!")

    And so on. He really was our Clinton. Not perfect in the least, but fuckloads better then what you normally seem to get.

    Of course, we then elected Canadian Al Gore for awhile and then let him get stomped by Canadian GWB. I'm waiting for Canadian Obama to show up and save us all.

  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    You forgot:

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    and:

    ordered police to attack protesters at the APEC conference resulting in my dad (a press photographer) nearly suffocating

  • CorvusCorvus Winter crow VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Azio wrote: »
    Why aren't his poll numbers falling like a brick?
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  • DeciusDecius Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Aegis wrote: »
    You forgot:

    - Continuously generated material for Air Farce.

    He was very poopular with da pubic!

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Bad as the proroguing (how do you even spell that) is, my main concern is the Afghan detainees.

    Yes come to Canada where we might have committed war crimes! Enjoy the donuts!

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  • hippofanthippofant Helping Mario save Peach. Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    - tried to legalize pot and gay marriage in one go on his way out the door

  • ImperfectImperfect Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    hippofant wrote: »
    - tried to legalize pot and gay marriage in one go on his way out the door

    Yeah, but that's a positive. Imagine what it would have done to our immigration numbers!

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Imperfect wrote: »
    hippofant wrote: »
    - tried to legalize pot and gay marriage in one go on his way out the door

    Yeah, but that's a positive. Imagine what it would have done to our immigration numbers!

    Well, I don't know what gay marriage did, but the pot would have made it look like they were flying.

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  • Edith_Bagot-DixEdith_Bagot-Dix Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Aegis wrote: »
    You forgot:

    - Continuously generated material for Air Farce.

    Really, this.

    I'm on the Facebook group against the prorogation of Parliament, and of course there are some Conservative party trolls on there. What really gets me is how it seems to be that they really think Harper is something special, and people are just being "haters" for having a dissenting opinion or making fun of him. I've always thought that was the worst, most dangerous, political trait for some one to have. I'm from a "Red Tory" background, and I never once voted Liberal the whole time Chretien was in power (too young to vote the first time he was elected, though, and in fact I've never voted for a Liberal) and I certainly laughed at the Chretien jokes, but I always had a certain respect for the guy and I have to admit he did a pretty decent job as PM. Harper simply isn't in the same league (though neither was Martin), not by a long shot. What I don't get, though, are the people who not only think he is, but take it all incredibly personally. One of the supporters of the Conservative parachute candidate who ran against Bill Casey after he was booted from caucus described Harper as "an arrow in God's hand". Really? That's something like what a crazy person would say about any politician.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    The guy who started the "Canadians for proroguing parliament" facebook group (current membership: 196) wrote a blog post wherein he attempts to liken us to Birthers
    The other similarity here is that a lot of this is driven by re-directed anger. Let’s face it - a lot of the more fanatical “Birther” people really are just angry that one of “those people” is the President and are in search of a somewhat more socially acceptable way of expressing it. Similarly, many on the Canadian left harbour an inchoate and inexpressible rage against the Prime Minister because he is, in their minds, a usurper, since only Liberals are entitled to rule the country. Since most of these people have enough sense to know that publicly declaring that, “the idea of a Prime Minister who isn’t a Liberal is fundamentally un-Canadian” they have instead made a habit of proclaiming that everything he does is somehow a violation of some basic democratic principle, a reflex rooted in their unspoken belief that his mere incumbency in office is some vast disturbance in the force.

    What the christ.

  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Oh my god he doesn't understand anything.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Aegis wrote: »
    You forgot:

    - Continuously generated material for Air Farce.

    The best air farce show in history was when him and the bald headed reporter dude kicked their imposters off

  • ProtoProto Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    he is right about “the idea of a Prime Minister who isn’t a Liberal is fundamentally un-Canadian".

    assuming he means liberal and not Liberal :P

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    You know what's hilarious?

    Our MP bald-facedly lied in the local paper saying "nobody has contacted me saying they care about the proroguing of parliament!"

    My parents and at least four of their friends here have emailed his office about it, and sent registered mail.

  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Whoever opens his mail is probably too scared shitless of pissing him off and losing their job to tell him about it

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Azio wrote: »
    Whoever opens his mail is probably too scared shitless of pissing him off and losing their job to tell him about it

    No, he's just an abject liar and generally all around awful person

    http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/ProfileMP.aspx?Key=128368&SubSubject=1006&Language=E

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I actually didn't know a website like that existed, props to the G of C for putting out MPs votes like that

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Azio wrote: »

    I like how the government is like CUT BACK SOCIAL SERVICES TO PAY OFF DEBT

    then

    HEY LETS SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS TO HOUSE POT SMOKERS FOR 5-10 YEARS

    I hope harper slips and falls and snaps his boner in half

  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    gotta starve that beast

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Azio wrote: »
    gotta starve that beast

    To what are you referring to? I guess harper's got a pretty big dick, considering Canada is sore already and he isn't finished yet

    The money shot is going to be brutal

  • hippofanthippofant Helping Mario save Peach. Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Robman wrote: »
    You know what's hilarious?

    Our MP bald-facedly lied in the local paper saying "nobody has contacted me saying they care about the proroguing of parliament!"

    My parents and at least four of their friends here have emailed his office about it, and sent registered mail.

    Dude, CONTACT THE REPORTER. I can't imagine a news reporter who wouldn't jump all over that shit, if you have PROOF that people have contacted the MP about it.

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    hippofant wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    You know what's hilarious?

    Our MP bald-facedly lied in the local paper saying "nobody has contacted me saying they care about the proroguing of parliament!"

    My parents and at least four of their friends here have emailed his office about it, and sent registered mail.

    Dude, CONTACT THE REPORTER. I can't imagine a news reporter who wouldn't jump all over that shit, if you have PROOF that people have contacted the MP about it.

    My parents don't want to become "politicized" as it were, because they're fairly recent transplants. It's maddening because this dick is a real establishment figure to the area, and my parents don't want to become those guys who came from Toronto and are sticking their goddamn noses where they don't belong by god.

  • CorporateGoonCorporateGoon Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Robman wrote: »
    I actually didn't know a website like that existed, props to the G of C for putting out MPs votes like that

    Because I am a numbers man, I have gone through all 157 recorded divisions of this past session and 86% of the time, the vote went strictly along party lines. However, amongst that 14% where there was some breaking of the ranks, only a grand total of 204 votes deviated from the party line. That's 204 votes out of more than 30,000. Am I alone in finding that completely obscene?

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Robman wrote: »
    I actually didn't know a website like that existed, props to the G of C for putting out MPs votes like that

    Because I am a numbers man, I have gone through all 157 recorded divisions of this past session and 86% of the time, the vote went strictly along party lines. However, amongst that 14% where there was some breaking of the ranks, only a grand total of 204 votes deviated from the party line. That's 204 votes out of more than 30,000. Am I alone in finding that completely obscene?

    I bet I know which party broke party lines the most often. I'm also betting there's a big fat "0" for one party in particular.

  • CorporateGoonCorporateGoon Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Robman wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    I actually didn't know a website like that existed, props to the G of C for putting out MPs votes like that

    Because I am a numbers man, I have gone through all 157 recorded divisions of this past session and 86% of the time, the vote went strictly along party lines. However, amongst that 14% where there was some breaking of the ranks, only a grand total of 204 votes deviated from the party line. That's 204 votes out of more than 30,000. Am I alone in finding that completely obscene?

    I bet I know which party broke party lines the most often. I'm also betting there's a big fat "0" for one party in particular.

    I happen to have those numbers as well.
    Spoiler:

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    30 CPC votes kind of threw me.

  • CorporateGoonCorporateGoon Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    A few Tories still have principles.... sometimes... I guess.

  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Robman wrote: »
    Azio wrote: »
    gotta starve that beast

    To what are you referring to?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    A few Tories still have principles.... sometimes... I guess.

    That depends, they might have been voting that way because they were more [strike]right wing[/strike] crazy then Harper

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Azio wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    Azio wrote: »
    gotta starve that beast

    To what are you referring to?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

    I prefer my answer

  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I wrote:
    Attn: Rt. Hon. Prime Minister Stephen Harper
    CC: Her Excellency the Governor General Michaelle Jean, Hon. Member John Cummins, Hon. Leader of the Opposition Michael Ignatieff

    Prime Minister,

    I am writing to express my extreme disappointment in your decision to prorogue Parliament for the second time in a single year, and my consternation at your office's attempt to convince Canadians that this is a precedented and necessary procedure.

    You and your acolytes have repeatedly claimed that because previous Prime Ministers prorogued Parliament, you have the automatic right to do so whenever it suits. What you have failed to mention, quite conveniently, is that those Prime Ministers prorogued when their respective governments had accomplished their goals for that session of Parliament. Indeed, historically the prorogue has been used in Westminster Parliaments all over the world to signal that the formal work of the legislature has come to a halt. There can be no argument that the 40th Canadian Parliament did not succeed in fulfilling its goals and priorities as outlined in the Throne Speech of 26 January 2009.

    In the Speech from the Throne, you promised a swift and complete economic recovery, outclassing all other G8 nations. In the end, Canada's economy recovered more slowly than any other G8 nation -- somehow, even the lumbering USA managed to outperform us. Key indicators such as unemployment and child poverty remain unacceptably high. By no reasonable assessment can this Parliament's business with regards to economic recovery be described as "complete".

    Furthermore, the prorogue has resulted in all legislation dying on the table. This includes your vaunted reforms to criminal justice; reforms which you have repeatedly described as critical to protecting the safety of Canadians. Apparently our safety is not as important to you as we have been led to believe.

    Your misuse of Parliamentary procedure to escape accountability to the legislature has inflicted grievous damage to the Constitutional order and stretches the limits of the power of the Prime Minister’s Office. It is my hope that you will take this letter, and recent polls showing that over 65 per cent of Canadians are unhappy with your decision, as a warning that Canadians are not at all pleased with your treatment of Canada's democratic institutions.

    Sincerely

    Next week I plan to show up at my MP's office and yell at his staffers. Write letters and call your MPs you fucks

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