ITT: Someone says something that isn't completely liberal. 20 guys froth at the mouth and call him an idiot rather than offering civil discussion.
Sigh. I guess I shouldn't be surprised about the persecution complex given as it is a staple, but it doesn't make it less annoying.
If someone is saying stupid bullshit, then they shouldn't expect to be coddled over it. In the words of the Governator: stop whining.
This isn't just about conservative versus liberal, either. There are quite a few more conservative posters in this thread who aren't getting dogpiled over everything they say.
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HachfaceNot the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking ofDammit, Shepard!Registered Userregular
ITT: Someone says something that isn't completely liberal. 20 guys froth at the mouth and call him an idiot rather than offering civil discussion.
He never engaged with the assertion that people support progressive legislation when they are polled on its specific provisions. This was a substantive point. He ignored it and then bitched that people were calling the seat formerly occupied by Ted Kennedy "Ted Kennedy's seat." Then he disappeared.
So. Uh. The problem here is not a lack of civility.
ITT: Someone says something that isn't completely liberal. 20 guys froth at the mouth and call him an idiot rather than offering civil discussion.
:?
You realize we have quite a few conservatives here, that have been around for quite a while, and get along just great, right? You know why? Because they debate from logical and non-disingenuous positions.
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ITT: Someone says something that isn't completely liberal. 20 guys froth at the mouth and call him an idiot rather than offering civil discussion.
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You realize we have quite a few conservatives here, that have been around for quite a while, and get along just great, right? You know why? Because they debate from logical and non-disingenuous positions.
ITT: Someone says something that isn't completely liberal. 20 guys froth at the mouth and call him an idiot rather than offering civil discussion.
:?
You realize we have quite a few conservatives here, that have been around for quite a while, and get along just great, right? You know why? Because they debate from logical and non-disingenuous positions.
Personally I just back out of a thread when its gets a little too lefty for me. I just choose my battles. Also, I reached an age where I don't really care if someone has a different opinion then me, I don't make it my personal mission to convert everyone to my world view. meh
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You know what? Five bucks says, unless a bigger candidate comes out of the 2010 elections, that Brown becomes one of top three republican presidential nominees.
ITT: Someone says something that isn't completely liberal. 20 guys froth at the mouth and call him an idiot rather than offering civil discussion.
:?
You realize we have quite a few conservatives here, that have been around for quite a while, and get along just great, right? You know why? Because they debate from logical and non-disingenuous positions.
Personally I just back out of a thread when its gets a little too lefty for me. I just choose my battles. Also, I reached an age where I don't really care if someone has a different opinion then me, I don't make it my personal mission to convert everyone to my world view. meh
This is entirely too reasonable, Greg. I demand you crazy it up a little. :P
You know what? Five bucks says, unless a bigger candidate comes out of the 2010 elections, that Brown becomes the republican presidential nominee.
VP pick seems a lot more likely to me. I don't see him surviving the GOP primary given the current state of the party, though things can change.
Yeah, I forgot this was the republican party we were talking about. I do think he'll be one of the two or three guys in the race for the nomination though.
You know what? Five bucks says, unless a bigger candidate comes out of the 2010 elections, that Brown becomes one of top three republican presidential nominees.
Eh, two years on the national stage seems way to early for me. Look at the crap Obama caught after four years as a senator. Not that hypocrisy has ever stopped the GOP before.
VP nod seems a lot more likely to me.
Is Brown taking over the remainder of Kennedy's term, or will he be in for the next six years?
ITT: Someone says something that isn't completely liberal. 20 guys froth at the mouth and call him an idiot rather than offering civil discussion.
:?
You realize we have quite a few conservatives here, that have been around for quite a while, and get along just great, right? You know why? Because they debate from logical and non-disingenuous positions.
Personally I just back out of a thread when its gets a little too lefty for me. I just choose my battles. Also, I reached an age where I don't really care if someone has a different opinion then me, I don't make it my personal mission to convert everyone to my world view. meh
This is entirely too reasonable, Greg. I demand you crazy it up a little. :P
Ok ummm....
SARAH PALIN 2012!!! She's a renegade maverick that fix the mess we are in!
am I serious?
no, I'm not
unless I am
i'm not
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You know what? Five bucks says, unless a bigger candidate comes out of the 2010 elections, that Brown becomes one of top three republican presidential nominees.
Eh, two years on the national stage seems way to early for me. Look at the crap Obama caught after four years as a senator. Not that hypocrisy has ever stopped the GOP before.
VP nod seems a lot more likely to me.
Is Brown taking over the remainder of Kennedy's term, or will he be in for the next six years?
He's up in 2012 I'm pretty sure. So he'll probably be eager to get the hell out. A Presidential election electorate in Massachusetts is not good for a Republican.
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You know what? Five bucks says, unless a bigger candidate comes out of the 2010 elections, that Brown becomes one of top three republican presidential nominees.
Eh, two years on the national stage seems way to early for me. Look at the crap Obama caught after four years as a senator. Not that hypocrisy has ever stopped the GOP before.
VP nod seems a lot more likely to me.
Is Brown taking over the remainder of Kennedy's term, or will he be in for the next six years?
I guarantee the GOP won't give two shits about the fact that Scott Brown was only senator for 2 years.
They'll just say "After Obama we saw experience doesn't matter too much"
And yea, Senator Brown is pretty much the best candidate for Republican President, if someone better comes a long then at least he would make a pretty good VP.
This assumes the vetting process for him goes smoothly and brings up no major problems.
Also his daughters are pretty hot, and one is available (the hottest one).
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Tiger BurningDig if you will, the pictureRegistered User, SolidSaints Tuberegular
You know what? Five bucks says, unless a bigger candidate comes out of the 2010 elections, that Brown becomes one of top three republican presidential nominees.
Eh, two years on the national stage seems way to early for me. Look at the crap Obama caught after four years as a senator. Not that hypocrisy has ever stopped the GOP before.
VP nod seems a lot more likely to me.
Is Brown taking over the remainder of Kennedy's term, or will he be in for the next six years?
I guarantee the GOP won't give two shits about the fact that Scott Brown was only senator for 2 years.
They'll just say "After Obama we saw experience doesn't matter too much"
And yea, Senator Brown is pretty much the best candidate for Republican President, if someone better comes a long then at least he would make a pretty good VP.
This assumes the vetting process for him goes smoothly and brings up no major problems.
Also his daughters are pretty hot, and one is available (the hottest one).
He would have to do the Romney-"Well I was pro-choice but I've checked the polling and now apparently I'm pro-life." thing.
Eh, two years on the national stage seems way to early for me. Look at the crap Obama caught after four years as a senator. Not that hypocrisy has ever stopped the GOP before.
Obama actually had only served 2 years as a US Senator when he announced his candidacy for president. He too wasn't even remotely qualified, but maybe those <2 extra years he was campaigning while serving as Senator made all the difference?
Also Brown has posed nude, so that should get a ton of female voters.
Eh, two years on the national stage seems way to early for me. Look at the crap Obama caught after four years as a senator. Not that hypocrisy has ever stopped the GOP before.
Obama actually had only served 2 years as a US Senator when he announced his candidacy for president. He too wasn't even remotely qualified, but maybe those <2 extra years he was campaigning while serving as Senator made all the difference?
Also Brown has posed nude, so that should get a ton of female voters.
Not only does posing nude get you votes, it helps your image.
In a lot of places, a Leader baring his chest is like a symbol of power (if you're not a fat fuck). Putin use to do this all the fucking time doing all sorts of manly shit like blacksmithing and hunting tigers and riding horses.
Of course by that standard Lincoln was also not even remotely qualified. Oddly, campaigns tend to give the votes the chance to make that judgment.
Lincoln? Come on man, at least stay in the 20th century.
Every president since Teddy Roosevelt has been more qualified than Obama. Probably most before, too - I don't know much about the pre 1900s, though.
The fact is qualifications and experience seem to have been thrown out in the last election, so I don't think a lack of either of those things would stop Brown from running.
Ok ummm....
SARAH PALIN 2012!!! She's a renegade maverick that fix the mess we are in!
am I serious?
no, I'm not
unless I am
i'm not
Was forgetting the verb intentional to mimic her, or a happy accident?
oops!
I'm not going to edit it, its better that way.
For the record I don't really fall into either camp.
I'm more of a libertarian but even there I'm not a true one.
For one I think the government needs to stay out of our personal lives, including reproductive rights and gay marriage. that being said, I think there are dangers to funding abortions, my mom used to work with a girl that used them as birth control (for real she had like 4).
however I am also for strong border security (maybe because I live 6 miles from it) and deporting the fuck out of people. I'd also love to see unions being removed from the public sector, This has played a fairly major role in California's fiscal problems. Not all mind you but it's significant.
WRT the election, while I am pleased brown won its simply because I don't want any one party to have total control, that goes for the right wing as well. However this fear is most likely unjustified because the dems didn't really do anything with it. I'd love a viable third party so politics can stop being so fucking black and white.
Also, Id like term limits for federal offices. I fully understand the argument for the current system but I would like to see senators vote their conscious rather then vote what will keep them in office. Case in point, if the left really did what they thought was right then there would be HCR, probably single payer, already.
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Of course by that standard Lincoln was also not even remotely qualified. Oddly, campaigns tend to give the votes the chance to make that judgment.
Lincoln? Come on man, at least stay in the 20th century.
Every president since Teddy Roosevelt has been more qualified than Obama. Probably most before, too - I don't know much about the pre 1900s, though.
The fact is qualifications and experience seem to have been thrown out in the last election, so I don't think a lack of either of those things would stop Brown from running.
I don't think they were thrown out, so much as a choice between experience coupled with a poor candidate and inexperience coupled with a decent candidate.
I mean, sure McCain was experienced as all get out, but he still blew pretty damn hard. It's not like there were two equally nice candidates and the American people got a boner for inexperience.
Ok ummm....
SARAH PALIN 2012!!! She's a renegade maverick that fix the mess we are in!
am I serious?
no, I'm not
unless I am
i'm not
Was forgetting the verb intentional to mimic her, or a happy accident?
oops!
I'm not going to edit it, its better that way.
For the record I don't really fall into either camp.
I'm more of a libertarian but even there I'm not a true one.
For one I think the government needs to stay out of our personal lives, including reproductive rights and gay marriage. that being said, I think there are dangers to funding abortions, my mom used to work with a girl that used them as birth control (for real she had like 4).
however I am also for strong border security (maybe because I live 6 miles from it) and deporting the fuck out of people. I'd also love to see unions being removed from the public sector, This has played a fairly major role in California's fiscal problems. Not all mind you but it's significant.
WRT the election, while I am pleased brown won its simply because I don't want any one party to have total control, that goes for the right wing as well. However this fear is most likely unjustified because the dems didn't really do anything with it. I'd love a viable third party so politics can stop being so fucking black and white.
Also, Id like term limits for federal offices. I fully understand the argument for the current system but I would like to see senators vote their conscious rather then vote what will keep them in office. Case in point, if the left really did what they thought was right then there would be HCR, probably single payer, already.
Also, Id like term limits for federal offices. I fully understand the argument for the current system but I would like to see senators vote their conscious rather then vote what will keep them in office. Case in point, if the left really did what they thought was right then there would be HCR, probably single payer, already.
Of course by that standard Lincoln was also not even remotely qualified. Oddly, campaigns tend to give the votes the chance to make that judgment.
Lincoln? Come on man, at least stay in the 20th century.
Every president since Teddy Roosevelt has been more qualified than Obama. Probably most before, too - I don't know much about the pre 1900s, though.
The fact is qualifications and experience seem to have been thrown out in the last election, so I don't think a lack of either of those things would stop Brown from running.
I don't think they were thrown out, so much as a choice between experience coupled with a poor candidate and inexperience coupled with a decent candidate.
I mean, sure McCain was experienced as all get out, but he still blew pretty damn hard. It's not like there were two equally nice candidates and the American people got a boner for inexperience.
I don't think they were thrown out, so much as a choice between experience coupled with a poor candidate and inexperience coupled with a decent candidate.
I mean, sure McCain was experienced as all get out, but he still blew pretty damn hard. It's not like there were two equally nice candidates and the American people got a boner for inexperience.
No, no. They were thrown out. Otherwise we would have our first female president rather than our first black president right now, because Hillary Clinton was far, far more qualified than Obama.
Also, Id like term limits for federal offices. I fully understand the argument for the current system but I would like to see senators vote their conscious rather then vote what will keep them in office. Case in point, if the left really did what they thought was right then there would be HCR, probably single payer, already.
Marry me, you sexy beast.
It really is true though. When the talk is 'we have to pass this by 2010 because some of the senators are up for re-election' there is a problem. Who cares if you loose your seat, if you really believe that you did a service to your country then hold your head high. doing whats right is something that's lost in this country, especially WRT people in power.
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I don't think they were thrown out, so much as a choice between experience coupled with a poor candidate and inexperience coupled with a decent candidate.
I mean, sure McCain was experienced as all get out, but he still blew pretty damn hard. It's not like there were two equally nice candidates and the American people got a boner for inexperience.
No, no. They were thrown out. Otherwise we would have our first female president rather than our first black president right now, because Hillary Clinton was far, far more qualified than Obama.
You shouldn't confuse "time in national office" with being qualified. Most of Obama's life was preparation for the presidency, and he used the campaign to show that he was qualified. If being in office means being qualified, then I guess Strom Thurmond would have been great.
Hillary Clinton is still probably one of the most qualified candidates for President in the Democratic party
I mean, after Obama is done who the fuck is left?
Which is scary, considering how poorly she ran her campaign. But then, we're kinda seeing with Obama that running a good campaign doesn't translate to governing well.
Also, Id like term limits for federal offices. I fully understand the argument for the current system but I would like to see senators vote their conscious rather then vote what will keep them in office. Case in point, if the left really did what they thought was right then there would be HCR, probably single payer, already.
Marry me, you sexy beast.
It really is true though. When the talk is 'we have to pass this by 2010 because some of the senators are up for re-election' there is a problem. Who cares if you loose your seat, if you really believe that you did a service to your country then hold your head high. doing whats right is something that's lost in this country, especially WRT people in power.
Hillary Clinton is still probably one of the most qualified candidates for President in the Democratic party
I mean, after Obama is done who the fuck is left?
Which is scary, considering how poorly she ran her campaign. But then, we're kinda seeing with Obama that running a good campaign doesn't translate to governing well.
Has everybody here pretty much come to agree that Obama is shit
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Tiger BurningDig if you will, the pictureRegistered User, SolidSaints Tuberegular
Hillary Clinton is still probably one of the most qualified candidates for President in the Democratic party
I mean, after Obama is done who the fuck is left?
Which is scary, considering how poorly she ran her campaign. But then, we're kinda seeing with Obama that running a good campaign doesn't translate to governing well.
Has everybody here pretty much come to agree that Obama is shit
Your moniker is accurate.
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Hillary Clinton is still probably one of the most qualified candidates for President in the Democratic party
I mean, after Obama is done who the fuck is left?
Which is scary, considering how poorly she ran her campaign. But then, we're kinda seeing with Obama that running a good campaign doesn't translate to governing well.
Has everybody here pretty much come to agree that Obama is shit
Whatever his motivations are, so far he has shown extremely poor leadership.
It's only been a year, but... signs are not good.
Hillary Clinton is still probably one of the most qualified candidates for President in the Democratic party
I mean, after Obama is done who the fuck is left?
Which is scary, considering how poorly she ran her campaign. But then, we're kinda seeing with Obama that running a good campaign doesn't translate to governing well.
Has everybody here pretty much come to agree that Obama is shit
I haven't completely given up on him, but I am very unhappy with his performance this first year.
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Sigh. I guess I shouldn't be surprised about the persecution complex given as it is a staple, but it doesn't make it less annoying.
If someone is saying stupid bullshit, then they shouldn't expect to be coddled over it. In the words of the Governator: stop whining.
This isn't just about conservative versus liberal, either. There are quite a few more conservative posters in this thread who aren't getting dogpiled over everything they say.
He never engaged with the assertion that people support progressive legislation when they are polled on its specific provisions. This was a substantive point. He ignored it and then bitched that people were calling the seat formerly occupied by Ted Kennedy "Ted Kennedy's seat." Then he disappeared.
So. Uh. The problem here is not a lack of civility.
:?
You realize we have quite a few conservatives here, that have been around for quite a while, and get along just great, right? You know why? Because they debate from logical and non-disingenuous positions.
Personally I just back out of a thread when its gets a little too lefty for me. I just choose my battles. Also, I reached an age where I don't really care if someone has a different opinion then me, I don't make it my personal mission to convert everyone to my world view. meh
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VP pick seems a lot more likely to me. I don't see him surviving the GOP primary given the current state of the party, though things can change.
Yeah, I forgot this was the republican party we were talking about. I do think he'll be one of the two or three guys in the race for the nomination though.
Eh, two years on the national stage seems way to early for me. Look at the crap Obama caught after four years as a senator. Not that hypocrisy has ever stopped the GOP before.
VP nod seems a lot more likely to me.
Is Brown taking over the remainder of Kennedy's term, or will he be in for the next six years?
Ok ummm....
SARAH PALIN 2012!!! She's a renegade maverick that fix the mess we are in!
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He's up in 2012 I'm pretty sure. So he'll probably be eager to get the hell out. A Presidential election electorate in Massachusetts is not good for a Republican.
Was forgetting the verb intentional to mimic her, or a happy accident?
I guarantee the GOP won't give two shits about the fact that Scott Brown was only senator for 2 years.
They'll just say "After Obama we saw experience doesn't matter too much"
And yea, Senator Brown is pretty much the best candidate for Republican President, if someone better comes a long then at least he would make a pretty good VP.
This assumes the vetting process for him goes smoothly and brings up no major problems.
Also his daughters are pretty hot, and one is available (the hottest one).
He would have to do the Romney-"Well I was pro-choice but I've checked the polling and now apparently I'm pro-life." thing.
Obama actually had only served 2 years as a US Senator when he announced his candidacy for president. He too wasn't even remotely qualified, but maybe those <2 extra years he was campaigning while serving as Senator made all the difference?
Also Brown has posed nude, so that should get a ton of female voters.
Not only does posing nude get you votes, it helps your image.
In a lot of places, a Leader baring his chest is like a symbol of power (if you're not a fat fuck). Putin use to do this all the fucking time doing all sorts of manly shit like blacksmithing and hunting tigers and riding horses.
Even Obama has done it.
Lincoln never posed nude? Or he didn't look good when he did? I don't understand. I'll bet he was ripped.
Lincoln? Come on man, at least stay in the 20th century.
Every president since Teddy Roosevelt has been more qualified than Obama. Probably most before, too - I don't know much about the pre 1900s, though.
The fact is qualifications and experience seem to have been thrown out in the last election, so I don't think a lack of either of those things would stop Brown from running.
oops!
I'm not going to edit it, its better that way.
For the record I don't really fall into either camp.
I'm more of a libertarian but even there I'm not a true one.
For one I think the government needs to stay out of our personal lives, including reproductive rights and gay marriage. that being said, I think there are dangers to funding abortions, my mom used to work with a girl that used them as birth control (for real she had like 4).
however I am also for strong border security (maybe because I live 6 miles from it) and deporting the fuck out of people. I'd also love to see unions being removed from the public sector, This has played a fairly major role in California's fiscal problems. Not all mind you but it's significant.
WRT the election, while I am pleased brown won its simply because I don't want any one party to have total control, that goes for the right wing as well. However this fear is most likely unjustified because the dems didn't really do anything with it. I'd love a viable third party so politics can stop being so fucking black and white.
Also, Id like term limits for federal offices. I fully understand the argument for the current system but I would like to see senators vote their conscious rather then vote what will keep them in office. Case in point, if the left really did what they thought was right then there would be HCR, probably single payer, already.
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I don't think they were thrown out, so much as a choice between experience coupled with a poor candidate and inexperience coupled with a decent candidate.
I mean, sure McCain was experienced as all get out, but he still blew pretty damn hard. It's not like there were two equally nice candidates and the American people got a boner for inexperience.
We agree.
Marry me, you sexy beast.
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Does nobody even remember Hillary Clinton?
No, no. They were thrown out. Otherwise we would have our first female president rather than our first black president right now, because Hillary Clinton was far, far more qualified than Obama.
I mean, after Obama is done who the fuck is left?
It really is true though. When the talk is 'we have to pass this by 2010 because some of the senators are up for re-election' there is a problem. Who cares if you loose your seat, if you really believe that you did a service to your country then hold your head high. doing whats right is something that's lost in this country, especially WRT people in power.
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She's going to be way too old.
Also you can't possibly look forward 7 years and even begin to know (or guess) what the status of the democratic party is going to be.
You shouldn't confuse "time in national office" with being qualified. Most of Obama's life was preparation for the presidency, and he used the campaign to show that he was qualified. If being in office means being qualified, then I guess Strom Thurmond would have been great.
Unfortunately the history of incumbent advantage means they'll never do that, despite the fact that I feel it would be the best decision.
Which is scary, considering how poorly she ran her campaign. But then, we're kinda seeing with Obama that running a good campaign doesn't translate to governing well.
I completely agree.
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Has everybody here pretty much come to agree that Obama is shit
Your moniker is accurate.
Whatever his motivations are, so far he has shown extremely poor leadership.
It's only been a year, but... signs are not good.
I haven't completely given up on him, but I am very unhappy with his performance this first year.
D-?
F?
C-
But everyone expected at least a solid B+
Hillary Clinton 2012! I could at least partially stand her being in office.