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That said, this isn't animal abuse if the dog is fucking your friend. Is it animal abuse to play fetch with a dog? No? Then why is it abuse to let a dog screw you?
I'm just glad you're covering this so I don't have to be the one arguing the slightly-crazy but completely rational viewpoint, for once.
I'd imagine for the same reasons a child can't consent to sex.
I think the point he's trying to make is if you just lie there, inebriated or asleep, and a fourteen year old comes along and has sex with you, did you just rape that fourteen year old?
It's dubious legality, but it's also hard to sound rational when making the argument against it.
edit: not trying to be a smartass. Sorry if it comes across this way.
It's wrong to have sex with a child before the age of consent because it's before the age of consent. It's not okay to do anything to a child without their consent unless it's for some sort of paternalistic reason, which clearly sex is not. With a dog, you can do anything with/to it as long as you don't hurt it in any way. And if the dog is having sex with you, you're not hurting it any more than if you play fetch with it.
See now I agree that is abuse. However, a court would have to prove that the dog was intentionally trained for that purpose, which would be rather hard to prove.
More than likely, this is a passing fantasy of a kid who is losing himself online, and he'll come to his senses and find some reason not to do it when the time comes. Or the couple (or dude) who wants him will find some reason not to take him. If you want to do something for him, get him some more interactions with people his own age offline. What happened to keggers and body shots?
Dog issues aside:
Exactly. A number of people here keep saying he is either fucking with his friend or has mental issues.
There is a third option: Some people enjoy things sexually that you do not.
This doesn't mean there is anything wrong with him.
BDSM isn't something that only freaks get into. A number of people like it, some of whom you might be "Shocked" if you knew about.
If the OP's friend trusted him to tell him this and is serious about it, my guess is that means he values your opinion such that he wanted to let you in on this part of his life. Making uneducated and immature remarks like "Oh well you're clearly fucked up" or some of the things insinuated by people here will at best piss off the guy and possibly even lose the guy as a friend.
Bottom line: If the guy isn't doing anything illegal (which the slave part isn't), then being judgemental will not accomplish anything productive.
In this case, he does.
I don't understand. What do we know about this guy's friend that tells us he has serious mental issues rather than weird kinks?
I guess when we're talking living with internet people in a master/slave relationship where you're going to be taking it up the pooper from man's best friend "mental issues" and "kinks" become sorta Potato, potahto.
#FreeScheck
#FreeSKFM
They're not Internet people, they're people that his friend knows (at least as far as I can tell). If he was heading off into the great unknown to get fucked by a dog that would be a big no-no but this looks like a consensual arrangement between three adults along with a very confused but presumably happy dog.
There's a serious amount of stigma attached to BDSM-umbrella, as evidenced by this thread.
It really is something that gets hidden away on internet message boards and thin internet anonymity. I mean, most people don't talk about this stuff and when they do, it creates awkward situations like we see in the OP.
There's a lot we don't know, and DDV doesn't know much either. There's certainly a range from normal kink to psychologically disturbed, but we have no idea.
It is much easier for a young guy to talk to people on the internet, in a specific forum where he won't be judged for his curiosities/desires. Believe me, the constant game of "is he/she kinky? should I bring it up?" isn't fun when you're hitting the singles scene.
DDV, figure out what's going on, if you want to help your friend. Make sure he's safe and sane about the whole thing. The dog is disturbing, but people tend to talk big in regards to stuff like this.
Is there any reason that you're not being close minded when you say that? Because that's what it seems like to me. What exactly is wrong with thinking it's okay to get fucked by a dog?
[citation needed]
This just sounds like you're imposing your own ideas of trauma and being scarred for life and stuff onto someone else. I'd probably be pretty messed up for a while if I had sex with a dude, but if I was gay that would be totally fine. Similarly, you'd never get over dog sex, but this guy's friend is not only willing, he's probably not going to get chances like this much for the rest of his life (unless life is way weirder than I think it is).
I doubt you meant to do it, but I don't think it's appropriate to compare gay sex to bestiality. Doing a dog is my idea of what is traumatic, based on my experiences and observations with other sorts of trauma. I am not a doctor, so you can always say I'm not qualified to say, but it's hard to imagine that many doctors would see it as positive or neutral on his psyche. I would ask him: 1) to consider how the experience might effect him, whether or not he changes his feelings on the subect later 2) have him ask himself why he might want that, to think hard.
It's also a felony in many states, so there are also the potential legal consequences if you don't believe there might be psychological ones.
Oh my goodness I know someone who is on this site ALL THE TIME and has a billion characters there and often picks up boycrushes to cyber with because she and her husband have a totally open relationship that's totally open.
So yes, I'm going to say that while possibly not real, it is ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE that this is a real thing that really is happening.
This is not some kind of kink this is a seriously messed up kid. Please for the sake of his family let them know. This is a very very dark road. Look at Mr.Hands The dude died because of having sex with an animal. Also to anyone who says this is even kind of ok just WOW. Please urge your friend to get help he is crying out for help. He needs your help man be a friend HELP HIM!
<Qs23> I just need to get my dicks in a row
<prox> i work for dicks
#paforums_pax, all about the dicks.
Grow up.
I am sorry do you think its ok to rape or have sex with a dog?
<Qs23> I just need to get my dicks in a row
<prox> i work for dicks
#paforums_pax, all about the dicks.
First of all, rape is only defined between humans. Second of all, I'm not sure yet, which is why I haven't put forth an argument on that topic.
However, my and your (and the OPs) personal feelings, whatever they may be, on bestiality aren't relevant to the question of whether or not this guy is "sick." He is a submissive in a D/s relationship, everything else is accessory.
It is sick it is wrong how is this even up for discussion? Ask any professional knows this person needs help.
Think about it someone who has never had sex before at least thats what OP has lead me to believe. All of a sudden decides to move out of state to go be a GIMP for some e-friends and the DOG. How could anyone possibly think this is a good idea? I don't know about you but if i see my friend about to drive home drunk i take his keys and call him a cab or dive him home my self.
If the friend brought it up he wants an opinion and OP should be man enough to give it to him. This is a dog, dogs can't give consent ever. OP obviously is a compassionate person and loves animals and as a normal person is horrified at his friends decision and rightfully so. If your friend can't take your honest opinion then hes not your friend OP man up say whats on your mind.
<Qs23> I just need to get my dicks in a row
<prox> i work for dicks
#paforums_pax, all about the dicks.
You don't understand people at all, and you've pigeonholed the world into what you perceive as "right", "wrong", "healthy", and "disturbed." This is not how things work.
Seriously. What's going to happen out of this thread?
Contact his family and go ahead, act shocked when he's disowned and commits suicide. No, really. Wouldn't you at least consider it in that position? If he's actually mentally ill it's more than an abstract possibility.
Unless the mental health laws are significantly different where you live than I (unlikely in this case), they won't be able to do anything. I had an ex I had to call the crisis line regarding because she was considering suicide. The most they could do was lock her up until she calmed down enough that the doctor on duty was willing to sign her out on the basis that she probably wasn't going to off herself in the next 24 hours. Given that this was in Canada where health care is state funded and I presume you're an American where he'd need insurance to receive even that level of care, I'm guessing that involuntary psychiatric help is outside of consideration unless he poses an immediate threat to other people and can be arrested and dealt with via the criminal justice system (unlikely from my admittedly vague understanding).
Basically I think it's HIGHLY unlikely that you can do anything.
That's right:
It doesn't matter what you SHOULD do, the fact is, you probably CAN'T do much. So you can walk away or you can try to be a good friend and beg him to consider the pros and cons and give him a shoulder to cry on when it's over. Sometimes it ends in the last scenario I described there. It sucks. A lot. But:
He'll very likely survive whatever mistake he's about to make.
So, either you're too bothered by his scenario to remain his friend or you're such a good friend that you'll be there for him when it's over. In either case, you basically can't prevent him from doing whatever it is that he wants to do. Strap in or eject.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
That is the way all the stupidest parts of the world work, yes.
Stop projecting your own cultural norms onto another person's life. Whether or not we personally agree with the type of sexual activity that is going to happen in this guy's life, calling him mentally unstable because of his lifestyle choices is following a dangerous path. Whether or not YOU believe it is wrong to have sex with an animal is irrelevant. How would you feel if anyone came in here and told you that an aspect of your life that you feel is normal is unhealthy, or "sick"? I'm not advocating this behavior by any means, but the people in this thread need to grow up.
Let me give you a few examples!
Two consenting adults decide to engage in anal intercourse within the privacy of their own homes, but oops! It's against the law because it's "unnatural, sick, and wrong." Both people go to prison. Until a couple of years ago, this was a law in certain states (and may still be).
Anyone engaging in homosexual activity (or suspected of) is publicly tried in a courtroom and forced to undergo chemical castration to 'fix' their sick, unnatural longings. Don't believe me? It happened.
Here's an idea. Instead of coming in here saying that this type of sexual behavior is deviant and wrong, why don't you bring us psychological studies, peer-reviewed journals, or hell even a freaking wikipedia entry backing your statements up. The only thing that should be throwing up a red flag here is the bestiality, but even the bestiality is not so far out of the ballpark as to be called a mental health issue. Remember, homosexuality was considered a mental health issue by the DSM-IV not too long ago.
I don't care one way or the other whether this guy has sex with dogs. I care that everyone jumps in this thread and immediately condemns that act with no thought as to WHY other than "it's disgusting."
I know most states family members can commit someone for extended period of times. In fl we had my brother involuntarily locked up 2 weeks. Also most mental health places are subsidized by the state in part or full.
I will simply put it this way.
OP your friend is about to engage in what most would consider unsafe and dangerous behavior he probably told you to get an opinion on it. Do what you feel is right but at least be honest to him the same way he was honest with you.
Peace out i am done.
<Qs23> I just need to get my dicks in a row
<prox> i work for dicks
#paforums_pax, all about the dicks.